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Spain under lock down

Infinite Chaos said:
To be fair, that same approach was taken by governments all around the West. I watched a frustrated Canadian minister warning people about their action having consequence on personal freedoms. As you also say - the Germans found the same as did the French and Italians.

Was a good ole "Chagos rant" anyway. :mrgreen:
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Well, at least give me credit for not advocating public floggings. Even where I refrained from that on account of the spectator crowds it would attract, thus heightening infections.:2razz:

Seriously though, with an infection potential of R3, all it takes is one idiot among a crowd of 50 to cancel the effect of the common sense shown by the 49. And if Churchill was right that every nation has 20 pct of idiots, one in fifty would nowhere near hack it.

So self-isolation as far as possible protects not only from these idiots, it protects those that any one of us might infect on account of already being "stricken" without having noticed it yet.

YET or possibly never, as cases already show wrt to "notice".

Had my first day in isolation - my partner had to go to work (she works in an opticians who are now about to focus on emergency cases only - just as Scotland did a week ago) and we had double glazing fitters finishing off their installation of doors and windows at my house.
Daughter produced a 3 second animation and then did a whole exercise book for Key Stage 2 English. She'll be a pro by the end of this - hopefully we'll be able to live on her profits....
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Good to hear that you're doing well.

My (totally egotistical) gripe about the whole situation is the same as Pete's. The bloody DIY markets here are all shut, screw loo paper.:roll:

But in view of what others have to cope with, I probably only need some duct tape to put over my gob.:mrgreen:
 
Chagos said:
Well, at least give me credit for ~
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Just to focus on this - did you see the pics from Bondi Beach this last weekend? No wonder the Aussie Govt stamped down - same with the thousands who suddenly turned up in Snowdonia here when it was announced schools and businesses would close.
The infection rate in Melbourne suddenly ramped up with huge increases because of Bondi Beach.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Just to focus on this - did you see the pics from Bondi Beach this last weekend? No wonder the Aussie Govt stamped down - same with the thousands who suddenly turned up in Snowdonia here when it was announced schools and businesses would close.
The infection rate in Melbourne suddenly ramped up with huge increases because of Bondi Beach.
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Yeah, I saw Bondi beach and hear that the government is closing down more beaches. Saw Snowdonia too.:roll:

One of the perks right now down here (and I never thought I'd say that) is absolutely foul weather.

Discourages any sort of outings and without that we'd still have our percentage of idiots. Mind you, the cops are now patrolling everywhere and anyone found on any beach will get roasted, since there's no talking oneself out of that one.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
BBC reports the Spanish military supporting the police.
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The military is being used to disinfect and such things. In a limited areas they are supplementing the police...mostly in tourist areas with a lot of troublemakers.

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Terrible day for Spain with a massive jump in new reported infections and deaths.

But to put a bit of context into it, it was expected since testing has been ramped up and its been 7 to 10 days since the morons fled Madrid to the coasts, who are the ones seeing the biggest increases.

Hopefully by the end of the week we will see better news.

Off to do my first shopping since the lockdown and have prepared a home made decon unit in my annexes bathroom for when I get home. Yea I am peranoid so sue me.

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PeteEU said:
Terrible day for Spain with a massive jump in new reported infections and deaths.

But to put a bit of context into it, it was expected since testing has been ramped up and its been 7 to 10 days since the morons fled Madrid to the coasts, who are the ones seeing the biggest increases.
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Copy of the effect that Italy sees in the South now. Slight decrease of infection rate in Lombardy now scrapped by increase in places like Bari, equally due to Northerners scarpering South just ahead of the lockdown.
Hopefully by the end of the week we will see better news.
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Yeah, let's hope.
Off to do my first shopping since the lockdown and have prepared a home made decon unit in my annexes bathroom for when I get home. Yea I am peranoid so sue me.
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Most supermarkets over here offer thin cello-tape type gloves (discard after use) at the entrance.

No "mascarillas" to be purchased far and wide, so I'm making do with the paper variety that serve as protection against dust from sanding anything.

Doesn't keep stuff out all that much but most of the muck in, should I sneeze.

I have a protective mesh visor for protecting the face while working with the chain saw and was thinking of wrapping that in cling film, but gave up the idea. Probably have people running away more than if I was coughing.:lol:
 
Chagos said:
Copy of the effect that Italy sees in the South now. Slight decrease of infection rate in Lombardy now scrapped by increase in places like Bari, equally due to Northerners scarpering South just ahead of the lockdown.
Yeah, let's hope.

Most supermarkets over here offer thin cello-tape type gloves (discard after use) at the entrance.

No "mascarillas" to be purchased far and wide, so I'm making do with the paper variety that serve as protection against dust from sanding anything.

Doesn't keep stuff out all that much but most of the muck in, should I sneeze.

I have a protective mesh visor for protecting the face while working with the chain saw and was thinking of wrapping that in cling film, but gave up the idea. Probably have people running away more than if I was coughing.[emoji38]
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Just got back. Bus had me, the driver and a tbh, a good looking woman. Bus driver. Seats near the bus driver were cordened off. Pharmacy was dead, as were the streets. Waited in line for 1 minute to get in, hands disinfected and gloves.

Now I dunno if it was because I came late in the day, but there was stuff missing. Only frozen chicken, no fresh. Out of the good rice (not a major problem), very few apples and low on tomatoes and so on.

Plenty of fish and pig meat and beef. Plenty of water, oil, normal rice, lentals in various makes, and pretty much everything else. But not butter and very few egg's.

Bought too much to carry on the bus, so took a taxi home and he said there was only 8 confirmed cases in Fuengirola where I normally shop..

Got home, got naked and took a bath and such.. Cloths will be washed, and all food stuffs given a wash as well.

Got food for 14 days now I think, if I stretch it. And got chocolate..... Heaven.

If I some how manged to get it, then well... Took all precautions and more.

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PeteEU said:
so took a taxi home and he said there was only 8 confirmed cases in Fuengirola where I normally shop..
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I bet that was music to your ears!
 
Snazzy said:
I bet that was music to your ears!
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Well yes and no.. There are under 1000 cases in Malaga region so it could be true since it is a huge region and highly populated. What is talking against the number is that we are a big tourist area, and lots of 2nd homes for people from Madrid, so the number might be higher. But the precautions in the supermarket gave me hope.

Regardless the people I met were smiling and avoiding each other. The pharmacy guy even cracked a joke with a customer.

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PeteEU said:
Well yes and no.. There are under 1000 cases in Malaga region so it could be true since it is a huge region and highly populated. What is talking against the number is that we are a big tourist area, and lots of 2nd homes for people from Madrid, so the number might be higher. But the precautions in the supermarket gave me hope.

Regardless the people I met were smiling and avoiding each other. The pharmacy guy even cracked a joke with a customer.

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With a "number" as low as that after 10 days lockdown, hopefully it won't rise too much.

I read today about the small town of Alcala del Valle in Andalucia. Not sure if it's near you, but that place sounded very worrying!
 
Chagos said:
:mrgreen:
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You see the change in the rules on going out? Now you are allowed to have a passenger if you are both going to the shops or work.

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Snazzy said:
With a "number" as low as that after 10 days lockdown, hopefully it won't rise too much.

I read today about the small town of Alcala del Valle in Andalucia. Not sure if it's near you, but that place sounded very worrying!
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It's round about 110 km from Pete and the tragedy there is in an old age home having been affected.

IOW a tight concentration of the group most at risk, with carers of course affected additionally.
 
PeteEU said:
You see the change in the rules on going out? Now you are allowed to have a passenger if you are both going to the shops or work.

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Yeah.

Friends have been told that both people in the car need wear masks though.
 
Chagos said:
It's round about 110 km from Pete and the tragedy there is in an old age home having been affected.

IOW a tight concentration of the group most at risk, with carers of course affected additionally.
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Some of the infected have been taken to La Linea, on the border with Gibraltar, and they didn't even notify anyone in authority there that they were bringing the patients in.

Perhaps this was the government's way of sticking their fingers up at Gibraltar?
 
Snazzy said:
Some of the infected have been taken to La Linea, on the border with Gibraltar, and they didn't even notify anyone in authority there that they were bringing the patients in.

Perhaps this was the government's way of sticking their fingers up at Gibraltar?
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Quit it with the conspiracy theories, will ya? There's enough of that crap going around as it is.

La Linea is the nearest town in the province of Cadiz with sufficient (hopefully) hospital capacity. The border with Gib, where not locked down completely, is heavily controlled now. By both sides.
 
Chagos said:
Quit it with the conspiracy theories, will ya? There's enough of that crap going around as it is.

La Linea is the nearest town in the province of Cadiz with sufficient (hopefully) hospital capacity. The border with Gib, where not locked down completely, is heavily controlled now. By both sides.
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Geez lighten up, I was being sarcastic!

We're all on lockdown - so chill..
 
Chagos said:
Yeah.

Friends have been told that both people in the car need wear masks though.
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Actually not sure now.. Might be only for trucks and similar.

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Snazzy said:
With a "number" as low as that after 10 days lockdown, hopefully it won't rise too much.

I read today about the small town of Alcala del Valle in Andalucia. Not sure if it's near you, but that place sounded very worrying!
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Nope but I know now. On the flip side, Cadiz supposedly has no infections according to the taxi driver today.

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PeteEU said:
Terrible day for Spain with a massive jump in new reported infections and deaths ~
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Yeah, not good. 4 weeks ago I watched video of Chinese police manhandling people in Wuhan and being very heavy handed with people breaking curfew but now 4 weeks later, stores are reopening and their cases have dropped sharply.

South Korea wasn't brutal but their numbers ave dropped drastically too.

We're doing something wrong - a 21 year old healthy woman died yesterday. No underlying causes as in many of the others.
 
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