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[W:66]Nine dead after attacks on German shisha bars

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A lot of disarray? Total nonsense. By every measurable statistic Germany is dramatically safer and better behaved than the US. A shooting with 9 dead is just a normal Tuesday in America. Get your own house in order before you attack a country that has its **** together.

Also, one of the many contributing factors as to why this type of thing is so rare in Germany is because it's very hard for nuts to get guns.
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
A lot of disarray? Total nonsense. By every measurable statistic Germany is dramatically safer and better behaved than the US. A shooting with 9 dead is just a normal Tuesday in America. Get your own house in order before you attack a country that has its **** together.

Also, one of the many contributing factors as to why this type of thing is so rare in Germany is because it's very hard for nuts to get guns.
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A shooting with 9 dead is just a normal Tuesday in America.
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Especially in Gang infected areas like Chicago

 
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RabidAlpaca said:
A lot of disarray? Total nonsense. By every measurable statistic Germany is dramatically safer and better behaved than the US. A shooting with 9 dead is just a normal Tuesday in America. Get your own house in order before you attack a country that has its **** together.

Also, one of the many contributing factors as to why this type of thing is so rare in Germany is because it's very hard for nuts to get guns.
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You're appear to be under the illusion that I'm American...... I'm NOT!
 
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the extreme right scum strike again.
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
A lot of disarray? Total nonsense. By every measurable statistic Germany is dramatically safer and better behaved than the US. A shooting with 9 dead is just a normal Tuesday in America. Get your own house in order before you attack a country that has its **** together.

Also, one of the many contributing factors as to why this type of thing is so rare in Germany is because it's very hard for nuts to get guns.
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They don't have a second amendment thats why they can ban guns
 
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Just goes to show that shootings happen everywhere, so its not just an American problem.
 
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In America, it's a public health crisis.
 
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Luther said:
How can this be?

I thought Germany had strict gun laws?
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PoS said:
Just goes to show that shootings happen everywhere, so its not just an American problem.
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You're both being purposely dishonest. We're talking about several orders of magnitude more mass shootings in the US than in Germany, even adjusting for population. Nobody has claimed mass shootings can be dropped to zero.
 
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PoS said:
Just goes to show that shootings happen everywhere, so its not just an American problem.
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It is very much an American problem and very rare elsewhere in the civilized world.

The was several mass shootings this week alone in the US and no, not in Chicago.

Sent from my Honor 8X
 
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Hawkeye10 said:
In America civilization is breaking down....dont fool yourself!
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It that under Trump Too?
 
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So, apart from being mistaken for an American poster, this particular thread about the shootings in Germany is now about gang infected areas like Chicago, the 2nd Amendment, shooting being very much an American problem as well as a public health crisis in America, along with its civilisation breaking down.

The big Monty Python foot has squashed the thread already.....
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
You're both being purposely dishonest. We're talking about several orders of magnitude more mass shootings in the US than in Germany, even adjusting for population. Nobody has claimed mass shootings can be dropped to zero.
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Especially in Gang infected areas like Chicago
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Not at all
 
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Snazzy said:
~......................I'm not sure how stringent their gun laws are over there, but they will certainly need looking at after this attack................~
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Luther said:
How can this be?

I thought Germany had strict gun laws?
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Loads of hoops to jump thru in order to be able to own a firearm, but possible nevertheless.

Main routes being either becoming a certified hunter (IOW having to go thru testing rigmaroles tougher than for a driving permit) or become member of a sports-shooting club (similar obstacles, yet also not insurmountable).

The perp belonged to the latter class.
 
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Chagos said:
Loads of hoops to jump thru in order to be able to own a firearm, but possible nevertheless.

Main routes being either becoming a certified hunter (IOW having to go thru testing rigmaroles tougher than for a driving permit) or become member of a sports-shooting club (similar obstacles, yet also not insurmountable).

The perp belonged to the latter class.
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A good place to start would be extreme radical political or religious views being vetted upon application.

He also killed his own mother, which is terrible.
 
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Snazzy said:
A good place to start would be extreme radical political or religious views being vetted upon application.
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There's a backlog on that (from what I hear) in that licences have been granted long before such vetting was even thought of for the radical right. As such, where beard-toting and Arab-looking individuals now even have difficulties in hiring a van, the wheels of bureaucracy churn as slowly as always when it comes to others. But still, right-wingers that have become apparent as such, are meanwhile checked on whether ever having been issued a permit (see the Hunter/sports-shooter reference).

Sadly, however, it's often a case of locking the barn after the horse has bolted.

Also, in the majority of cases of "rightist" firearm violence, the "piece" is almost always acquired thru dark channels anyway.

He also killed his own mother, which is terrible.
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Yes, terrible.
 
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enderpotato00 said:
They don't have a second amendment thats why they can ban guns
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Guns aren't banned in Germany.

Luther said:
Not at all
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By pretending that it's the same for the US to have a factor 100 higher rate of mass shootings compared to countries like Germany is wildly dishonest.

"Durrr, Durrr, there was a shooting in Germany! I guess Germany has the same exact problem as us so there's nothing we can and should change!"

Snazzy said:
So, apart from being mistaken for an American poster, this particular thread about the shootings in Germany is now about gang infected areas like Chicago, the 2nd Amendment, shooting being very much an American problem as well as a public health crisis in America, along with its civilisation breaking down.

The big Monty Python foot has squashed the thread already.....
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You saying Germany is in disarray because there was one, super rare mass shooting showed you were dishonest and had an agenda. If you're not an American conservative, it's strange for you to use their tactics.
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
You're both being purposely dishonest. We're talking about several orders of magnitude more mass shootings in the US than in Germany, even adjusting for population. Nobody has claimed mass shootings can be dropped to zero.
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Disagree, mass shootings in the US are still statistical anomalies. In fact, violent crime has dropped and the country is the safest it has been in over 40 years.

PeteEU said:
It is very much an American problem and very rare elsewhere in the civilized world.

The was several mass shootings this week alone in the US and no, not in Chicago.

Sent from my Honor 8X
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What a lie, its a statistical anomaly even in America. Mass shootings are very few and far between population wise.
 
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Chagos said:
There's a backlog on that (from what I hear) in that licences have been granted long before such vetting was even thought of for the radical right. As such, where beard-toting and Arab-looking individuals now even have difficulties in hiring a van, the wheels of bureaucracy churn as slowly as always when it comes to others. But still, right-wingers that have become apparent as such, are meanwhile checked on whether ever having been issued a permit (see the Hunter/sports-shooter reference).

Sadly, however, it's often a case of locking the barn after the horse has bolted.

Also, in the majority of cases of "rightist" firearm violence, the "piece" is almost always acquired thru dark channels anyway.

Yes, terrible.
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From Deutsche Welle
Germany: Eleven dead in suspected far-right attack

Nine people were killed in two shootings at hookah bars in the city. The suspected attacker was later found dead in his home next to his mother's corpse.

The alleged perpetrator reportedly opened fire at the first shisha bar in Hanau's downtown, killing three people, before driving to the neighborhood of Kesselstadt and opening fire at a second shisha bar, where five people died. Authorities said that the shooter had "xenophobic motives."

Following the shooting, police sealed off the area while special forces launched a major search.

They subsequently found the 43-year-old suspect dead in his home nearby his 72-year-old mother's corpse early Thursday. Authorities believe that the suspect returned home following the attack and committed suicide.
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Interesting bit may be read further down the DW page
Right-wing attacks differ from other types of mass shootings and attacks because the perpetrators often have legal access to firearms, said Nils Duquet, a senior researcher at the Flemish Peace Institute.

"It seems like the perpetrator had a hunting permit," he said. "What police forces have been noticing across Europe is that they fear that right-wing extremism is on the rise, and that these people can also have access to guns both legally and illegally. That raises the alarm."
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from a not quite as reliable source but not horrible, Insider
The mass shooter who killed 9 in Germany published a racist manifesto where he identified as an incel and accused Trump of stealing his populist slogans

  • A mass shooter in Hanau, Germany, published a delusional, racist manifesto in which he accused Donald Trump of stealing his slogans, identified as an incel, and called for non-whites to be killed.
  • In the 24-page manifesto, the attacker accused Trump of stealing slogans like "America First." He also said he avoided sex due to a fear of state surveillance.
Before the attack, the 43-year-old posted a 24-page manifesto to his website in which he sought to justify his beliefs.

The manifesto, reviewed by Insider, details a deep-set hatred of nonwhites.

The man calls for the people of a large number of North African, Asian, and Middle Eastern countries to be "completely destroyed" on the baseless idea that they are biologically inferior.

The author, who wrote in German, also claimed Trump stole some of his ideas.

"A billionaire in the USA is implementing my policy recommendation (even some slogans I developed like 'America First, Buy American and Hire American')," the manifesto says.

The author also criticized other "races and cultures" as "destructive," singling out Islam.

The man also wrote that he was an incel — a term describing those who involuntarily refrain from sex.
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Snazzy said:
Germany appears to be in a lot of disarray these days.

I'm not sure how stringent their gun laws are over there, but they will certainly need looking at after this attack.

Germany shooting: Nine dead after two attacks on Hanau shisha bars - BBC News
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I was in that general area a couple of years ago and was shocked at the number of middle easterners that lived there. While it was definitely peaceful there was a distinct separation between the Germans and the immigrants. There doesn't seem to be a whole lot of assimilation on the one side or acceptance on the other.
 
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It sounds like it is another INCEL attack. He has not had a relationship in 18 years and he was a crazy conspiracy believing nutcase.
 
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Luther said:
I thought Germany had strict gun laws?
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Germany does have strict gun laws.
But that does not mean that nobody may have any gun.
 
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