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Europe and the Resource Game

TypicalRussian

TypicalRussian

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Europe is mostly supplied with Russian Natural Gas and Oil. The further west you go, the less dependent it becomes, that's why Britain attacks Russia more than Germany or Poland.:doh

The U.S wants to stop this by importing synthetic Natural Gas from their own country and allies across the world, ESPECIALLY Mediterranean Natural gas where a pipeline through Greece would help against Russia's dependence. That is why the next middle eastern war will be fought over Mediterranean Natural gas which also involves Israel.

North Africa has a large supply of Oil and Natural gas, Algeria has stepped up it's resources for America in Italy and France. Libya, a nation with massive oil reserves is currently in a civil war.

Yet the west doesn't care about Libya when the fate of European influence is in the hands of that country. Yet America is still in Iraq and Afghanistan after 2 decades

Should America refocus on strengthening allies in Europe? I think so.
 
Methinks you have enough to worry about in Russia without worrying about what America should do.

US SNG works just as well as US LNG. Poland and Ukraine are buying US LNG. Belarus may also if trends continue.
 
TypicalRussian said:
Europe is mostly supplied with Russian Natural Gas and Oil. The further west you go, the less dependent it becomes, that's why Britain attacks Russia more than Germany or Poland.:doh

The U.S wants to stop this by importing synthetic Natural Gas from their own country and allies across the world, ESPECIALLY Mediterranean Natural gas where a pipeline through Greece would help against Russia's dependence. That is why the next middle eastern war will be fought over Mediterranean Natural gas which also involves Israel.

North Africa has a large supply of Oil and Natural gas, Algeria has stepped up it's resources for America in Italy and France. Libya, a nation with massive oil reserves is currently in a civil war.

Yet the west doesn't care about Libya when the fate of European influence is in the hands of that country. Yet America is still in Iraq and Afghanistan after 2 decades

Should America refocus on strengthening allies in Europe? I think so.
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England is dependent on Scottish Gas, oil and now electricity we supply 10% of England's electricity needs and 75% of it's gas ... English politicians say they won't trade with Scotland if Scotland leaves the UK .... :lamo :lamo :lamo ... the reality is England is a energy basket case without Scotland
 
Rogue Valley said:
Methinks you have enough to worry about in Russia without worrying about what America should do.

US SNG works just as well as US LNG. Poland and Ukraine are buying US LNG. Belarus may also if trends continue.
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I live in America and care bout other stuff too
 
Godric1970 said:
England is dependent on Scottish Gas, oil and now electricity we supply 10% of England's electricity needs and 75% of it's gas ... English politicians say they won't trade with Scotland if Scotland leaves the UK .... :lamo :lamo :lamo ... the reality is England is a energy basket case without Scotland
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I don't Scotland will leave the UK, it took them 3 years to get out of Brexit
 
Rogue Valley said:
So, no citation.

You simply pulled that propaganda out of your posterior.
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He's trying to make believe that a map which shows meanwhile (re-)controlled territory, also shows support (for Assad) of the people within said territory.

That is (to paraphrase the username) so typically Russian. Especially when considering that without the Russian air force bombing the hell out of Syrians, that map would look a lot different.
 
Chagos said:
He's trying to make believe that a map which shows meanwhile (re-)controlled territory, also shows support (for Assad) of the people within said territory.
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Agreed. It has been impossible to poll Syrians after 2012.

Chagos said:
That is (to paraphrase the username) so typically Russian. Especially when considering that without the Russian air force bombing the hell out of Syrians, that map would look a lot different.
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Be aware that (by his own admission) his family emigrated to the US when he was very young.

Ergo, he is not a "typical" Russian by any metric. I probably have more experience within Russia than he does.

He is also (by his own admission) anti-US, Assad is a hero, and he uses conspiracy websites like Global Research.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Agreed. It has been impossible to poll Syrians after 2012.



Be aware that (by his own admission) his family emigrated to the US when he was very young.

Ergo, he is not a "typical" Russian by any metric. I probably have more experience within Russia than he does.

He is also (by his own admission) anti-US, Assad is a hero, and he uses conspiracy websites like Global Research.
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Okay, maybe typically Glavset (seeing how they don't confine themselves to the use of only locals).

Not necessarily paying up either, seeing how one of the objects of their propaganda is to create gullible acolytes.
 
Chagos said:
He's trying to make believe that a map which shows meanwhile (re-)controlled territory, also shows support (for Assad) of the people within said territory.

That is (to paraphrase the username) so typically Russian. Especially when considering that without the Russian air force bombing the hell out of Syrians, that map would look a lot different.
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Are you joking?:lamo Russia barely does anything in Syria but does airstrikes, the Rebels were never winning, Assad always a majority of Syria and it's population, lust look at a 2015 map. The Rebels has never controlled more than 15% of Syrian population, Assad always has been winning
 
TypicalRussian said:
Are you joking?:lamo Russia barely does anything in Syria but does airstrikes, the Rebels were never winning, Assad always a majority of Syria and it's population, lust look at a 2015 map. The Rebels has never controlled more than 15% of Syrian population, Assad always has been winning
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Thanks for letting us share your alternative reality.

And please pass our thanks on to all the rest of your Glavset colleagues.:rofl
 
Chagos said:
Thanks for letting us share your alternative reality.

And please pass our thanks on to all the rest of your Glavset colleagues.:rofl
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Well, he does have a point, somewhat,even though he twists and turns the facts to fit a political narrative.

The Rebels would never have won. As soon as Russia started propping up Assad, then it was over. The US could not bolster the moderate Rebels because they were more corrupt than Assad and sold weapons to Al Q and even ISIS. Basically the Rebels were too fragmented and infected by religious nut jobs to be an effective fighting force, let alone rule after the fall of Assad. Once ISIS gain ground then it became part of the war on terror.

Fun fact, most of Rebel held territory is/was held by Al Q... Don't know about you, but if I had to choose between Assad and Al Q, well...



Sent from my Honor 8X
 
PeteEU said:
Well, he does have a point, somewhat,even though he twists and turns the facts to fit a political narrative.

The Rebels would never have won. As soon as Russia started propping up Assad, then it was over.
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THAT was actually my point. RUSSIA !!!

The US could not bolster the moderate Rebels because they were more corrupt than Assad and sold weapons to Al Q and even ISIS. Basically the Rebels were too fragmented and infected by religious nut jobs to be an effective fighting force, let alone rule after the fall of Assad. Once ISIS gain ground then it became part of the war on terror.
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what gets widely ignored (denied in fact by many of those that know) is that plenty of the Islamist and as such jihadist opposers of Assad were in jail at the time of the start of the protests.

Assad let many of them out in the hope that they'd do exactly the undermining that you mention. And that worked to the point that the initially peaceful rallies for more democracy could thus be "extremized" and condemned accordingly, not to mention "justify" the brutality with which they were then combated.

Initially (once having fired upon unarmed protesters) Assad actually "wobbled", seeing how whole army units consequently refused to follow him and actually joined the opposition.

But once Assad Corleone successfully put the tag of "Islamic terrorist" onto any and all that didn't toe his line, the Kremlin had a free hand to bomb the crap out of anything that moved.

THAT actually saved Assad from being toppled.
Fun fact, most of Rebel held territory is/was held by Al Q...
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not initially.
Don't know about you, but if I had to choose between Assad and Al Q, well...
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It's not a binary thing, seeing how they're both scum.

What (not just) the West underestimated is the immense cunning of the whole Assad clan (organized mob), not to mention the soft-spoken ophthalmologist. If Machiavelli were to write his "Il Principe" today, he wouldn't model it after Cesare Borgia anymore, but after Bashar.



Sent from my Honor 8X
 
To somewhat return to topic
TypicalRussian said:
Europe is mostly supplied with Russian Natural Gas and Oil.
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2017 shows 30 % of crude coming from Russia and 40% of Gas.

That's certainly not unsubstantial but hardly fits the label of "mostly".
 
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Rogue Valley said:
Methinks you have enough to worry about in Russia without worrying about what America should do.

US SNG works just as well as US LNG. Poland and Ukraine are buying US LNG. Belarus may also if trends continue.
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Putin cannot be happy to see European nations go to sources other than Russia for fuel. Putin cannot be happy that the US opened up its own oil exploration and drilling after Trump became president. Nearly every democrat running for president has promised to shut down American energy independence and drilling if elected. Those democrat yahoos are full of crap, but at least Putin has got to be happy for them to push that crap.
 
Chagos said:
THAT was actually my point. RUSSIA !!!

what gets widely ignored (denied in fact by many of those that know) is that plenty of the Islamist and as such jihadist opposers of Assad were in jail at the time of the start of the protests.

Assad let many of them out in the hope that they'd do exactly the undermining that you mention. And that worked to the point that the initially peaceful rallies for more democracy could thus be "extremized" and condemned accordingly, not to mention "justify" the brutality with which they were then combated.
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Yes that is the claim by the west (no real proof of course).. although I suspect it is a biased one. Did he release some...sure, but how many escaped when the rebellion started? You even admit below that he "wobbled". How many of these jihadists were imported from Iraq? How many were released by the moderate rebels to do their dirty work?

Initially (once having fired upon unarmed protesters) Assad actually "wobbled", seeing how whole army units consequently refused to follow him and actually joined the opposition.

But once Assad Corleone successfully put the tag of "Islamic terrorist" onto any and all that didn't toe his line, the Kremlin had a free hand to bomb the crap out of anything that moved.

THAT actually saved Assad from being toppled.
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Well, we can debate when and how big an impact it had, but regardless any idiot should have been able to see the result from the start.

Russia has a naval base.. hence Russia would defend it. Just like the US would defend its base access around the world if it had too (and has in the past)

It is a bit like Italy.. the US would move heaven and earth to make sure that they dont lose access to their naval base in the med. Funny enough they did exactly that "allegedly" in the 1950s and 60s by rigging Italian elections.

not initially. It's not a binary thing, seeing how they're both scum.
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Not the point. Yes they are both scum, but rather have the non religious nut job scum. Same with Saddam.. would rather have Saddam in place than the Iranian mullahs gaining more power in the region.

What (not just) the West underestimated is the immense cunning of the whole Assad clan (organized mob), not to mention the soft-spoken ophthalmologist. If Machiavelli were to write his "Il Principe" today, he wouldn't model it after Cesare Borgia anymore, but after Bashar.
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Disagree. The west put the Assad clan in power in the first place, so they should have known. What the west underestimated was the Russians response.. just like the underestimated it in Ukraine. And the worst part is that we have centuries of history to go back on to see the exact same reactions by Russia and others when their strategic sphere is threatened... will we never learn?
 
PeteEU said:
Yes that is the claim by the west (no real proof of course).. although I suspect it is a biased one. Did he release some...sure, but how many escaped when the rebellion started? You even admit below that he "wobbled". How many of these jihadists were imported from Iraq? How many were released by the moderate rebels to do their dirty work?



Well, we can debate when and how big an impact it had, but regardless any idiot should have been able to see the result from the start.

Russia has a naval base.. hence Russia would defend it. Just like the US would defend its base access around the world if it had too (and has in the past)

It is a bit like Italy.. the US would move heaven and earth to make sure that they dont lose access to their naval base in the med. Funny enough they did exactly that "allegedly" in the 1950s and 60s by rigging Italian elections.



Not the point. Yes they are both scum, but rather have the non religious nut job scum. Same with Saddam.. would rather have Saddam in place than the Iranian mullahs gaining more power in the region.



Disagree. The west put the Assad clan in power in the first place, so they should have known. What the west underestimated was the Russians response.. just like the underestimated it in Ukraine. And the worst part is that we have centuries of history to go back on to see the exact same reactions by Russia and others when their strategic sphere is threatened... will we never learn?
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Opinion noted, just as you took note of mine.

We can leave it at that.
 
marke said:
Nearly every democrat running for president has promised to shut down American energy independence and drilling if elected.
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Citation please. The above is just a tired lie.
 
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