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A new name for the United Kingdom (UK)?

Y'all won't be getting crumbs...not when the countries in the EU find they have to go through GB to sell their products to the US. Y'all will be getting a big piece of that action. More than you got from the EU alone.

This is how it'll work:

FYI

Canada and Mexico would have a say in the UK joining Nafta 2. The US does not just get to declare it. The US can enter a trade agreement with UK but the goods and services would only be tariff free when going to the US, not to Canada or Mexico. Canada right now has a FTA with the EU, the goods that are imported into Canada from the EU, if re-exported to the US are not tariff free
 
The United Kingdom seems set to leave the EU.
I won't comment on that ....

I have another thought or question:
Should Scotland ever leave the United Kingdon, what will the new name be then?
Just Kingdom (K)?

:cool:

England.
 
You speak of Northern Ireland I think, not of Northern Iceland - or whatever. :cool:
Who will give it?
Or will the Republic just take it? :cool:

Sinn Fein will take it by violence.
 
Yugoslavia seems to be a happier place since it broke up.

So maybe the United Kingdom would a happier place, too, if there were several independent nations: England, Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland (unless it unites with Ireland to the south).

Some people (including me) predict that sometime in the distant future, a "certain" country that we all know very well may also decide on a (peaceful!) division.
 
FYI

Canada and Mexico would have a say in the UK joining Nafta 2. The US does not just get to declare it. The US can enter a trade agreement with UK but the goods and services would only be tariff free when going to the US, not to Canada or Mexico. Canada right now has a FTA with the EU, the goods that are imported into Canada from the EU, if re-exported to the US are not tariff free

???

Dude...I said nothing about "Nafta 2", Canada or Mexico. All of that is irrelevant to what I said about a trade agreement between US and GB.

And I certainly made no comment about GB joining the USMCA.

So...what the **** are you blathering about?
 
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Dude...I said nothing about "Nafta 2", Canada or Mexico. All of that is irrelevant to what I said about a trade agreement between US and GB.

And I certainly made no comment about GB joining the USMCA.

So...what the **** are you blathering about?

Dude

Did you read the quote YOU POSTED?

How about read it now and see how it mentions NAFTA2

But that’s the limit of what the EU will be able to do….

Meaning, the EU cannot stop the UK from entering a trade deal with North America (think USMCA); and there’s a very visible likelihood President Trump is constructing a U.S-U.K trade agreement with that in mind.

Meaning the U.K. could have preferential access to North America; and USMCA countries (Mexico, U.S. and Canada) will in turn have preferential trade treatment with the U.K.

This is important. The EU will not be able to influence the U.S-U.K. trade agreement beyond imposing tariffs and restrictions on Britain as punishment. This is where the importance of Donald Trump comes in.
 
Dude

Did you read the quote YOU POSTED?

How about read it now and see how it mentions NAFTA2

LOL!!

Well then, perhaps you should have been talking to THAT guy...not me, since I made a completely different point.

You are dismissed. (see my sig)
 
Y'all won't be getting crumbs...not when the countries in the EU find they have to go through GB to sell their products to the US. Y'all will be getting a big piece of that action. More than you got from the EU alone.

This is how it'll work:

LOL!!

Well then, perhaps you should have been talking to THAT guy...not me, since I made a completely different point.

You are dismissed. (see my sig)


You say this is how it will work, then post the article which I quoted a part of.

That generally indicates that you support what was said in the article which you posted. The part I quoted was direct from what you posted.


Or you did not read what you posted, or did not understand it.
 
As it is said in a rebel song:

"This Ireland of ours has too long been half free.
Six counties lie under John Bull's tyranny. "

Irish Song Lyrics - Patriot Game

Billy Reed was the first rebel to kill a British soldier during the 'Troubles' he's been lionized in song by those
desiring a United Ireland. "The Ballad of Billy Reed'
along with 'Sean South from Garryowen' are my favorites of the many great Irish rebel anti-British war ballads.

Billy Reed

I'll sing you a song, of a terrible wrong
When the flags all flew at half mast
Well the man he lay dead, he was riddled with lead
And he died on the streets of Belfast

CHORUS O the radio said, ‘there's another shot dead
And he died with a gun in his hand
But they never say why, Billy Reed had to die
For he died to free Ireland

It happened one day when the bold I.R.A.
Went out to fight for their land
With an old Thompson gun with the troops on the run
And return to their homes was the plan.

O the radio said, ‘there's another shot dead
And he died with a gun in his hand
But they never say why, Billy Reed had to die
For he died to free Ireland

While returning the guns
Billy met with British Huns
And When the fight had begun
His position was dire, when his gun wouldn’t fire
So he died with that old Thompson gun.

O the radio said, ‘there's another shot dead
And he died with a gun in his hand
But they never say why, Billy Reed had to die
For he died to free Ireland

Although he lay dead, he was kicked in the head
By the hair they dragged him around
For they still feared him yet and will never forget
How young Billy Reed stood his ground.

O the radio said, ‘there's another shot dead
And he died with a gun in his hand
But they never say why, Billy Reed had to die
For he died to free Ireland

If you think he was right,
come join in the fight
Come fight to free our land
For the blood that he shed,
although he lies dead
In our hearts his memory will cry.

O the radio said, ‘there's another shot dead
And he died with a gun in his hand
But they never say why, Billy Reed had to die
For he died to free Ireland

The census reveals 48% of the resident population are either Protestant or brought up Protestant, a drop of 5% from the 2001 census.
45% of the resident population are either Catholic or brought up Catholic, an increase of 1%. 7% say they either belong to another
religion or none. My feeling is Northern Ireland will remain Unionist, he real hatred during the Troubles has subsided.
 
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The United Kingdom seems set to leave the EU.
I won't comment on that ....

I have another thought or question:
Should Scotland ever leave the United Kingdon, what will the new name be then?
Just Kingdom (K)?

:cool:

The country formerly known as the UK.
 
I think you can just call them "Rich" (compared to Germany and France), because they'll be entering into a trade deal with Trump and France and Germany will be knocking on Great Britain's door (and holding out their wallets) trying to get a piece of the action.

Rich compared to Germany, the German GDP is much higher than the English GDP. The French GDP is a bit lower, but then again, with a country like that LOL.

The UK exports 14% of it's goods to the US, it exports 45% to the EU. It imports 53% from the EU. No sweet deal with the US will change the fact that the US will never export so much from the UK that it can make up the export loss to the EU.

And it will pay more for all it's imports. And again, no sweet deal with the US will make up for the extra importation costs from the EU.

And who knows who will be president when the UK comes a knocking at the White House. If one of the democrats will be in there the deal will be a lot less "sweet".
 
Rich compared to Germany, the German GDP is much higher than the English GDP. The French GDP is a bit lower, but then again, with a country like that LOL.

The UK exports 14% of it's goods to the US, it exports 45% to the EU. It imports 53% from the EU. No sweet deal with the US will change the fact that the US will never export so much from the UK that it can make up the export loss to the EU.

And it will pay more for all it's imports. And again, no sweet deal with the US will make up for the extra importation costs from the EU.

And who knows who will be president when the UK comes a knocking at the White House. If one of the democrats will be in there the deal will be a lot less "sweet".

You miss my point. I'm not talking about what the EU wants to buy from UK or anyone else. I'm talking about what EU wants to sell...particularly to the US.

After US makes a trade deal with UK, Trump will raise tariffs on EU, effectively reducing what EU exports to the US. But with favorable trade w/o tariffs for UK, the EU will be trying to move their products to the US through UK. That means UK will get a piece of the action on everything EU exports to the US.

That will make UK rich.
 
You miss my point. I'm not talking about what the EU wants to buy from UK or anyone else. I'm talking about what EU wants to sell...particularly to the US.

After US makes a trade deal with UK, Trump will raise tariffs on EU, effectively reducing what EU exports to the US. But with favorable trade w/o tariffs for UK, the EU will be trying to move their products to the US through UK. That means UK will get a piece of the action on everything EU exports to the US.

That will make UK rich.

Trump will of course do this out of the goodness of a heart he has shown little sign of possessing.
 
Yugoslavia seems to be a happier place since it broke up ~

A really good point, Brexit has released the self determination genie that won't go back into the bottle.

Unlike some countries with a more neurotic sense of self, Wales has had its own national anthem (Land of My Fathers/Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau) for a long time; it is in the Guiness Book of World Records as the first national anthem ever sung at the start of a sporting event (in response to a New Zealand haka).

Jerusalem that, boyo.

I used to sing "Mae Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau" as a Cardiff schoolboy in the 70's, Wales was proudly patriotic about its difference and different view from England. You can't say that same spirit exists in the valleys and mountains of Wales right now. Where English Brexit has lied, many in Wales have meekly swallowed the tales and I don't see that spirit except on the rugby pitch.

You miss my point. I'm not talking about what the EU wants to buy from UK or anyone else. I'm talking about what EU wants to sell...particularly to the US.

After US makes a trade deal with UK, Trump will raise tariffs on EU, effectively reducing what EU exports to the US. But with favorable trade w/o tariffs for UK, the EU will be trying to move their products to the US through UK. That means UK will get a piece of the action on everything EU exports to the US.

That will make UK rich.

What goods? Germany has already set up the factories needed in the US and production has been ongoing for several years.
 
You miss my point. I'm not talking about what the EU wants to buy from UK or anyone else. I'm talking about what EU wants to sell...particularly to the US.

After US makes a trade deal with UK, Trump will raise tariffs on EU, effectively reducing what EU exports to the US. But with favorable trade w/o tariffs for UK, the EU will be trying to move their products to the US through UK. That means UK will get a piece of the action on everything EU exports to the US.

That will make UK rich.
and what, in this highly adventurous scenario, would be the point of the EU channeling its goods to the US via the UK?

Pray enlighten us on how this fantasy would enable the EU to circumnavigate whatever higher US tariffs.
 
Trump will of course do this out of the goodness of a heart he has shown little sign of possessing.

Nope.

Trump doesn't do anything "out of the goodness of his heart". He does everything because it's good for the US.
 
and what, in this highly adventurous scenario, would be the point of the EU channeling its goods to the US via the UK?

Pray enlighten us on how this fantasy would enable the EU to circumnavigate whatever higher US tariffs.

The EU, after Trump targets them with tariffs, will lose money if they try to export to the US.

A good trade deal between the US and UK could allow UK to import from EU, rebrand and sell to the US. The EU wins a little (since they will actually be able to sell stuff), UK wins big time by being the middle man...and the US still gets the products they want from the EU.

Of course, the best solution for the EU would be them removing tariffs and trade barriers in respect to the US. Then, none of this will be necessary. US producers would be competing with EU producers both in the EU and in the US...on a level playing field.
 
You miss my point. I'm not talking about what the EU wants to buy from UK or anyone else. I'm talking about what EU wants to sell...particularly to the US.

After US makes a trade deal with UK, Trump will raise tariffs on EU, effectively reducing what EU exports to the US. But with favorable trade w/o tariffs for UK, the EU will be trying to move their products to the US through UK. That means UK will get a piece of the action on everything EU exports to the US.

That will make UK rich.

Does not work that way

Canada has a FTA with the EU, EU goods can not pass through Canada to the US tariff free and EU goods will not be able to pass through the UK tariff free to the US. US companies will not want to give up the profits to UK companies on resale of EU goods from the UK to US.
 
Does not work that way

Canada has a FTA with the EU, EU goods can not pass through Canada to the US tariff free and EU goods will not be able to pass through the UK tariff free to the US. US companies will not want to give up the profits to UK companies on resale of EU goods from the UK to US.

Then the EU will lose exports to the US.

Their loss.

Seriously...Canada is irrelevant. Give it up.
 
You miss my point. I'm not talking about what the EU wants to buy from UK or anyone else. I'm talking about what EU wants to sell...particularly to the US.

After US makes a trade deal with UK, Trump will raise tariffs on EU, effectively reducing what EU exports to the US. But with favorable trade w/o tariffs for UK, the EU will be trying to move their products to the US through UK. That means UK will get a piece of the action on everything EU exports to the US.

That will make UK rich.

Yeah, not going to happen. The EU has much more to offer the US customer than the UK has to offer.
 
Then the EU will lose exports to the US.

Their loss.

Seriously...Canada is irrelevant. Give it up.

These are America's biggest trading partners

"The value of U.S. trade with Canada is $662 billion, just a smidge less than China. Canada is the largest market for U.S. exports, taking in 15% of America's goods and services, worth $337 billion annually."

But don't ever let facts diminish the pride of ignorance.
 
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