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[W:74] Boris Johnson on course for huge win in UK election, exit poll suggests

PeteEU said:
Just saw the almost final tally...democracy my ass...

SNP got 3.8% of the vote and will get 48 seats.

Lib Dems got 11.5% votes and will get 11 seats.

Tories got 43.6% of the vote but 56% of the seats..

DuP got 0.8% but 8 seats and Farage Inc got 2% of the vote and 0 seats...

This is about as democratic as an election in Saddams Iraq.
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Exactly!
 
Grand Mal said:
Why is Germany poor and why are France, Spain, Italy, whoever their puppets?
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Good question!

Of course there are neither puppets not poodles there.

Just one more stupid conspiracy theory.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
From my reading before I went to bed (I saw the projection of a majority of 89) lot of military still see Corbyn as sympathetic and still unapologetic for his past links to the IRA as well as a general support for Palestinian causes. His and John McDonnell's promises never went down well.

What is sad is that the centre left in Labour has gone as has the centrist element of the Conservative party. We're now in an ideologically relatively extreme period where there is no centre.
Jo Swinson lost her seat to the SNP who gained another 13 seats.

Pro-Remain elements in Northern Ireland and Scotland all doing well (pleased to see Nigel Dodds lose his seat in Northern Ireland) and more moderate voices coming to Parliament from the regions.

Wales.... even more Pro Boris and supportive of English Brexit than I would ever have thought from living there in the 70's.
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It's interesting seeing this dynamic of hyper polarized politics grow in different parts of the world. We've always had a shift between right/left ideologies and parties, but the loss of the centrists on both sides is concerning to me as well. I've always enjoyed politics, so this devolution of it into adolescent-like high school politics on our side of the pond, is rather depressing. What one is left to wonder is if the trend will continue to the point where an immovable object meets an immovable force, or there's some type of catalyst which brings people back to their senses. I hope it's the latter, because I fear for all of us if it's the former.

I suppose the bright side of the election results for the UK is Corbyn won't be leading the party, and now the Johnson and his lot have a clear path to sort out Brexit. Now the pressure will be on Johnson to get the deal done in a way that will be beneficial to the UK; that will be interesting to see. I'm also interested in seeing what this all means for Scotland as well given the results for them as well.
 
The UK will soon be no more not only Scotland but N Ireland also if Blo Jo says no Scottish courts will tell him to do it or give Hollyrood the powers to do it themselves
 
I've always felt a strong connection with the UK and her people in general. Through thick and thin. Until now.

I just can't get my head around the fact that the vast majority overwhelmingly actually chose to support such a vile racist bigot.
 
well then let us do a hard Brexit and have the British suffer the consequences they have voted for.

And I think Scotland will go for independence. They have almost won all the seats in Scotland.
 
Peter King said:
well then let us do a hard Brexit and have the British suffer the consequences they have voted for.

And I think Scotland will go for independence. They have almost won all the seats in Scotland.
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GB to go with self-imposed austerity.
 
Chagos said:
Labour didn't lose on the antisemitism issue (however true or untrue), it lost on account of the political incompetence of its leader, thinking that own prevaricating ambiguity on Brexit could be buried under a barrage of promised Xmas gifts that everybody knew to be unaffordable.

This election was decided by Brexit and barely much else.

And where there's no cause to rejoice over anything at all in today's result, Corbyn's demise (which one can only hope for) will serve as a general improvement of the general political landscape as well as allowing Labour to finally decide what it wants to be (or not).

Now the Tories can get Brexit done and that won't be by next January nor by the end of 2020.
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Serenity said:
I've always felt a strong connection with the UK and her people in general. Through thick and thin. Until now.

I just can't get my head around the fact that the vast majority overwhelmingly actually chose to support such a vile racist bigot.
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Scotland didn't vote for him or the Tories
 
One small bright side, is that Boris has such a large majority that he is not dependent on the DUP and the EPG anymore, so we might get the usual "Boris" of him breaking his promises and getting a totally different Brexit. Sure they will leave on the 31st of January but then the real exit negotiations start, aka the trade deal. And here he now has pretty much free reign to not follow the wishes of the EPG and DUP. We all know that Boris is a horrible backstabbing bastard, so maybe if we are lucky we will see him shanking Rees-Mogg and Co.
 
Okay, Britain, what the hell were you all thinking on Election Day? Sure, now you'll get Brexit settled right quick, but it will likely be a hard crash-out rather than a negotiated settlement. Then the Scots will vote to leave the UK in order to rejoin the EU. The rest of the EU will likely fracture and dissolve. Then the banking and finance barons of the city will use this Conservative Party majority to defund the social welfare structures of the UK, including the NHS. Well, you reap what you sow, and now you have sown a mess which you will be cleaning up for generations.

All I can do is wish you the best on this hard road upon which you have embarked. Would it have killed you to toss both the Conservatives and Labour to the kerb and vote in the Lib.-Dems. for once?

Cheers and good luck (me thinks you're going to need all the luck you can get soon)
A befuddled Evilroddy.
 
Looks like the UK is realigning. Labour was once the party of the working class and the Conservatives the party of the rich. That has flipped.

Same thing is happening in the US and apparently the rest of the Western world.
 
PeteEU said:
One small bright side, is that Boris has such a large majority that he is not dependent on the DUP and the EPG anymore, so we might get the usual "Boris" of him breaking his promises and getting a totally different Brexit. Sure they will leave on the 31st of January but then the real exit negotiations start, aka the trade deal. And here he now has pretty much free reign to not follow the wishes of the EPG and DUP. We all know that Boris is a horrible backstabbing bastard, so maybe if we are lucky we will see him shanking Rees-Mogg and Co.
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Well, the DUP is now even more under the bus where he threw it (together with all of Ulster), the interesting thing to see is whether he'll be able to shirk the cutthroat traders of the ERG.

Considering how he made his biggest inroads in those traditional Labour areas of the North that feel they've been promised an end to May's austerity craze, he'll need revenue to pay for the things he's promised. It'll be interesting to watch where (and how) he tries to get that.
 
Evilroddy said:
Okay, Britain, what the hell were you all thinking on Election Day? Sure, now you'll get Brexit settled right quick, but it will likely be a hard crash-out rather than a negotiated settlement. Then the Scots will vote to leave the UK in order to rejoin the EU. The rest of the EU will likely fracture and dissolve. Then the banking and finance barons of the city will use this Conservative Party majority to defund the social welfare structures of the UK, including the NHS. Well, you reap what you sow, and now you have sown a mess which you will be cleaning up for generations.

All I can do is wish you the best on this hard road upon which you have embarked. Would it have killed you to toss both the Conservatives and Labour to the kerb and vote in the Lib.-Dems. for once?

Cheers and good luck (me thinks you're going to need all the luck you can get soon)
A befuddled Evilroddy.
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befuddled sounds about right:2razz: in that you probably meant "The rest of the UK (rather than the rest of the EU) will likely fracture and dissolve".

Never mind, stranger things happen in the heat of posting.;)

Voting the Lib-Dems was incidentally not an option for most, simply because they were, together with Cameron, at the heart of the austerity craze that many in the country are still grunting under.

Besides which, they didn't have any program to speak of and chose an even bigger political incompetent than Corbyn to lead them.
 
Serenity said:
I've always felt a strong connection with the UK and her people in general. Through thick and thin. Until now.

I just can't get my head around the fact that the vast majority overwhelmingly actually chose to support such a vile racist bigot.
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tends to happen when most despise the other guy even more.
 
Serenity said:
Couldn't agree more.

If SNP win as many seats are they are estimating, Boris has no mandate to take Scotland out of the EU.
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The last referendum was narrowly defeated based on Britain staying in Europe and on the Brexit vote every district in Scotland voted to stay.
I say before the final Brexit date because I think they could stay in the EU without having to apply.
 
Chagos said:
befuddled sounds about right:2razz: in that you probably meant "The rest of the UK (rather than the rest of the EU) will likely fracture and dissolve".

Never mind, stranger things happen in the heat of posting.;)

Voting the Lib-Dems was incidentally not an option for most, simply because they were, together with Cameron, at the heart of the austerity craze that many in the country are still grunting under.

Besides which, they didn't have any program to speak of and chose an even bigger political incompetent than Corbyn to lead them.
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Chagos:

Yup, you're right, I meant the rest of the UK. Clearly my brain was left behind when I posted that.

Vis a vis austerity and the Lib. Dems., just wait until you see a majority Conservative Government's cutting of the budget and handing out big tax cuts to the wealthy. Then the Cameron era cuts will seem mild by comparison, I would venture to guess. But what do I know, I can't even clearly differentiate between the EU and the U.K. when posting here.:3oops:
Clearly my brain Brexitted me long ago.

Cheers.
Mentally Deficient Roddy.
 
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Grand Mal said:
The last referendum was narrowly defeated based on Britain staying in Europe and on the Brexit vote every district in Scotland voted to stay.
I say before the final Brexit date because I think they could stay in the EU without having to apply.
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In that, I fear, you are mistaken.

Scotland is as little a EU member in own right as, say, Sicily. Even where (other than Sicily) it is defined as a country by UK understanding, it never was a EU member.

The UK is.
 
Evilroddy said:
Chagos:

Yup, you're right, I meant the rest of the UK. Clearly my brain was left behind when I posted that.

Vis a vis austerity and the Lib. Dems. just wait until you see a majority Conservative Government's cutting the budget and handing out big tax cuts to the wealthy. Then the Cameron era cuts will seem mild by comparison I would venture to guess. But what do I know, I can't even clearly differentiate between the EU and the U.K. when posting here.:3oops:

Cheers.
Mentally Deficient Roddy.
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Oh, no disagreement on any of that from me. Except (perhaps :2razz:) on second and third last words.;)
 
Chagos said:
In that, I fear, you are mistaken.

Scotland is as little a EU member in own right as, say, Sicily. Even where (other than Sicily) it is defined as a country by UK understanding, it never was a EU member.

The UK is.
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Unfortunate. Hopefully the acceptance process woudn't take forever.
 
Grand Mal said:
Unfortunate. Hopefully the acceptance process woudn't take forever.
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There are complications, Spain for one is worried this would lead Spanish regions to seek to leave Spain and enter the EU. On the other hand though, Spain would be happy to see Scotland exit the UK so as to spite the old enemy.
 
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