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    Re: Trump/NATO/London

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    I am talking about the fact, that if Estonia buys one F35, they have already spent over 1/5 of the year budget of 2% of GDP. Hence it is pretty easy for a country like Estonia to meet the requirements of 2%.



    Okay lets do real numbers..

    Russia spends between 3 to 4% of its GDP on the military according to western intelligence agencies and experts. That is about 70 billion dollars.

    Germany spends 1.3% of its GDP on the military and that is about 50 billion dollars. 2% spending would take that to 74 billion dollars... more than Russia.

    France spends 1.7% of its GDP on the military and that is around 62 billion dollars. So for France to reach 2% they need to spend around 70 billion dollars.

    That is 2 members alone of NATO that spend together more than Russia, and are not meeting the 2% threshold that has been agreed. If they did, Germany alone would spend more.

    Those are real numbers, not arbitrary bull**** % of GDP numbers.

    So again why should any nation spend money on the military just to get to a magical 2% number that is always going up (pretty much), when there is no real need? Fact is that the NATO alliance outspends Russia by a lot...

    NATO military spending continues to dwarf that of Russia | Euronews

    Non US NATO spending is 300 billion a year... and we are afraid of Russia and its 70 billion a year? Come on..
    Let me add that one also needs to divorce one's (supposed) comprehension of the whole issue from confusing actual defense spending (by whatever country) with contribution to the NATO budget.

    That's something the US has conveniently cooked up (and not just this present administration) to lower its own expenses on this issue. Understandably so, I'll add, and I can't blame anyone on it.

    What this current administration is doing however is adding to the overall confusion of those holding themselves to be in the know on this issue, by prevaricating this silly percentage-of-GDP-game into being something of relevance, when it is completely idiotic and totally dishonest.

    We've both outlined the actual picture as others here have done and anyone wishing to stick to the stupid game mentioned above is best left to his/her/their devices.
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    Re: Trump/NATO/London

    Quote Originally Posted by Chagos View Post
    Let me add that one also needs to divorce one's (supposed) comprehension of the whole issue from confusing actual defense spending (by whatever country) with contribution to the NATO budget.

    That's something the US has conveniently cooked up (and not just this present administration) to lower its own expenses on this issue. Understandably so, I'll add, and I can't blame anyone on it.

    What this current administration is doing however is adding to the overall confusion of those holding themselves to be in the know on this issue, by prevaricating this silly percentage-of-GDP-game into being something of relevance, when it is completely idiotic and totally dishonest.

    We've both outlined the actual picture as others here have done and anyone wishing to stick to the stupid game mentioned above is best left to his/her/their devices.
    Not even brought up the elephant in the room about US spending... Most of it is not even related to NATO defence.. and most American troops and bases in Europe are only there to support the American miss-adventures around the world. Hence in reality, the actual US spending on "European NATO defence" is way below 2%.
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    Re: Trump/NATO/London

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Not even brought up the elephant in the room about US spending... Most of it is not even related to NATO defence.. and most American troops and bases in Europe are only there to support the American miss-adventures around the world. Hence in reality, the actual US spending on "European NATO defence" is way below 2%.
    investments into border protection come to mind (i.e. to the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security), as well as CIA pension funds.
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