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Merkel, NATO chief reject Macron's view NATO is dying

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Merkel, NATO chief reject Macron's view NATO is dying

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NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg and German Chancellor Angela Merkel arrive
to hold a news conference in Berlin, Germany, November 7, 2019.


11/7/19
BERLIN (Reuters) - French President Emmanuel Macron used “drastic words” when he described NATO as experiencing a “brain death”, German Chancellor Angela Merkel said on Thursday, saying that was not her view. NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg also rejected the characterization during a joint news conference in Berlin. “NATO remains a cornerstone of our security,” Merkel told reporters.

Amen to that. Although I also believe Germany needs to considerably up its game in regards to NATO funding contributions (currently 1.2%), staffing, and exercise participation.
 
Merkel, NATO chief reject Macron's view NATO is dying

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NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg and German Chancellor Angela Merkel arrive
to hold a news conference in Berlin, Germany, November 7, 2019.




Amen to that. Although I also believe Germany needs to considerably up its game in regards to NATO funding contributions (currently 1.2%), staffing, and exercise participation.

No offense meant

But please use the correct terminologies.

Nato funding and the 1.2% you listed are entirely different things

Nato countries pledged to spend 2% of GDP on their military. That does not mean funding NATO to 2% of their GDP.

Germany's direct funding to Nato is full. It is not spending 2% of its GDP on its military
 
Merkel, NATO chief reject Macron's view NATO is dying

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NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg and German Chancellor Angela Merkel arrive
to hold a news conference in Berlin, Germany, November 7, 2019.




Amen to that. Although I also believe Germany needs to considerably up its game in regards to NATO funding contributions (currently 1.2%), staffing, and exercise participation.

NATO may not be dying, but it is under threat from the Putin/Trump alliance.
 
No offense meant

But please use the correct terminologies.

Nato funding and the 1.2% you listed are entirely different things

Nato countries pledged to spend 2% of GDP on their military. That does not mean funding NATO to 2% of their GDP.

Germany's direct funding to Nato is full. It is not spending 2% of its GDP on its military
Thank you.
 
Thank you.

I do not understand why it is such a hard concept for so many to understand. It has been pointed out countless times on this board before
 
I believe everyone participating in this Europe forum knew precisely what the 1.2% referred to.

Probably yes, but clarity and accuracy are important

I have made fun of Trump for saying it incorrectly, and for Trump supporters for saying it incorrectly.

It is important so that people who are not familiar with the issue can get a proper understanding of it. They way Trump said it, and you makes it seem that Germany owes NATO 2% (GDP) when that is not the case.
 
I do not understand why it is such a hard concept for so many to understand. It has been pointed out countless times on this board before

Technically you are correct, although I suspect most who participate in this Europe Forum understood the colloquial usage. My bad.

From the NATO Whales Summit of 2014.....

14. We agree to reverse the trend of declining defence budgets, to make the most effective use of our funds and to further a more balanced sharing of costs and responsibilities. Our overall security and defence depend both on how much we spend and how we spend it. Increased investments should be directed towards meeting our capability priorities, and Allies also need to display the political will to provide required capabilities and deploy forces when they are needed. A strong defence industry across the Alliance, including a stronger defence industry in Europe and greater defence industrial cooperation within Europe and across the Atlantic, remains essential for delivering the required capabilities. NATO and EU efforts to strengthen defence capabilities are complementary. Taking current commitments into account, we are guided by the following considerations:
o Allies currently meeting the NATO guideline to spend a minimum of 2% of their Gross Domestic Product (GDP) on defence will aim to continue to do so. Likewise, Allies spending more than 20% of their defence budgets on major equipment, including related Research & Development, will continue to do so.
o Allies whose current proportion of GDP spent on defence is below this level will:
• halt any decline in defence expenditure;
• aim to increase defence expenditure in real terms as GDP grows;
• aim to move towards the 2% guideline within a decade with a view to meeting their NATO Capability Targets and filling NATO's capability shortfalls.
o Allies who currently spend less than 20% of their annual defence spending on major new equipment, including related Research & Development, will aim, within a decade, to increase their annual investments to 20% or more of total defence expenditures.
o All Allies will:
• ensure that their land, air and maritime forces meet NATO agreed guidelines for deployability and sustainability and other agreed output metrics;
• ensure that their armed forces can operate together effectively, including through the implementation of agreed NATO standards and doctrines.

Germany is currently spending 1.2% of its GDP on defense. The NATO guideline is for all NATO countries to spend 2% or higher of their GDP on defense by 2024.

The US, Greece, Poland, Estonia, and the UK are currently at or above the 2% pledge. The remainder are currently below the 2% of GDP guideline, but have until 2024 to attain the 2% of GDP goal.

As I [clumsily] attempted to state in post #1; the German economy, I believe, is robust enough to up their NATO game sooner rather than later.
 
Probably yes, but clarity and accuracy are important

I have made fun of Trump for saying it incorrectly, and for Trump supporters for saying it incorrectly.

It is important so that people who are not familiar with the issue can get a proper understanding of it. They way Trump said it, and you makes it seem that Germany owes NATO 2% (GDP) when that is not the case.

Saying it precisely, as I did in Post #7, is probably only marginally less confusing to the people who do not follow such things closely.
 
Who is Merkel? The most hated person in ruined by her Germany, the biggest traitor after Judas Iscariot, the toilet paper of Deep State.
 
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"Who is Merkel? The most hated person in ruined by her Germany," is much of TV.ru for i have not seen here , pure delirium
 
sorry, cannot translate it that it rmains funny, but it shows a lot about this 10 % of Germany you call "the people". If that are the Germans, I wanna become irish please.

YouTube

they shout "Merkel must leave" and when the car takes the other way one after the other of thes idiots shout "Merkel turns off" - yeah. Indeed. They are right....:lamo
 
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