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Who will win the UK General Election Dec 2019?

Sven Karma said:
No, the combination of BBC + Brexit + a Dimbleby is too rich for my tastes!

Tom Watson is I guess only a centrist in Labour party terms, I'm not sure why his resignation has been such a surprise given his ignominious role in the VIP paedophile ring fantasist caper, he'd have been an easy electoral target.

My constituency doesn't really give me any tactical opportunities, Plaid Cymru won it off the LibDems in 2017, and it might as well stay that way :shrug:
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Plaid have been pro-Remain but they may want Brexit so that the disaster helps the push to escape the downward economic spiral England will be set on after the Brexit process is complete. It's all up in the air!
I watched some Scottish Conservatives (remember them?) recently saying that every time Nicola Sturgeon mentioned independence, that Scottish Conservative support went up.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Plaid have been pro-Remain but they may want Brexit so that the disaster helps the push to escape the downward economic spiral England will be set on after the Brexit process is complete. It's all up in the air!
I watched some Scottish Conservatives (remember them?) recently saying that every time Nicola Sturgeon mentioned independence, that Scottish Conservative support went up.
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yeah right ... Scottish Tories are as big as liars as Scottish Labour and Scot Lib Dems

Its actually the unionists that ramble on about Independence and they will be facing the SNP in full campaign on Independence ... the UK media doesn't know whats going on up in Scotland

Sven Karma said:
Boris's latest 'cast-iron' pledge seems to be predicated on that belief: PM gives 'cast-iron' pledge to refuse second Scottish independence vote | Politics | The Guardian . But with no Ruth Davidson to rally the troops it's hard to see the Conservatives do anything other than lose seats; and the same applies to the Labour party.
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i would like to see him try knocking it back if SNP win over 50 of the 59 Scottish seats ... say he does .... the Scottish constitutional courts will over rule him and demand he issues one after in 2014 part of the vow that won the Indy vote in 2014 promise to transfer power to Holyrood to hold future referendums one country deciding that another can't leave the union ... is not a union
 
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Godric1970 said:
yeah right ... Scottish Tories are as big as liars as Scottish Labour and Scot Lib Dems

Its actually the unionists that ramble on about Independence and they will be facing the SNP in full campaign on Independence ... the UK media doesn't know whats going on up in Scotland.
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All politicians lie, some are better at it, some do it more than others and some do it badly but keep doing it (Boris Johnson) and then some deflect from their lies by pointing at others' lies. The SNP are no better or worse than anyone else.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
All politicians lie, some are better at it, some do it more than others and some do it badly but keep doing it (Boris Johnson) and then some deflect from their lies by pointing at others' lies. The SNP are no better or worse than anyone else.
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Blow jo has been sacked twice for lying

this is the last comment from me mention indy in this thread i would like to point out i am not anti English and neither is the Independence movement the London based media makes no attempt to understand what drives it it's multi faceted yes there is some English hating bigots but they are put in there place swiftly ... the truth is both Scotland and the rest of the UK needs each other just that the relationship will change ... Scotland is very much anti nuclear in every sense and Faslane will be a big point of contention, Scotland supplies the UK with 755 of it's gas we have 96% of oil extracted from UK waters and vast reserves of untapped oil reserves off our west coast and and our excess Electricity generation goes to England because England has supply issues in Scotland our electricity generation from renewables is always increasing with numerous project under way like the undersea turbines between the Orkneys and the mainland ... Scotland is a energy powerhouse and we will still not charge market prices to the rest of the uk for our energy we will give the UK a very good discount ... Scotland has the potential to generate 255 of the EU's energy needs from renewables ... a Independent Scotland would like to have a better relationship with the rest of the UK than we currently do within the UK
 
Godric1970 said:
Blow jo has been sacked twice for lying
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Newspapers could have been sued for his lying but as a politician he has been safe and what's worse - he has prospered for lying. That's the society we live in.

Godric1970 said:
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I think everybody understands that. The Scottish Nationalists are unique among nationalist movements as it has never been based on hate or superiority for other nations or races. More so than the French where you can be any colour or race as long as you take on French values. Even in the Front National - however that doesn't mean there are simple white supremacists in the FN.
No, the Scottish National Party does not project any feeling of hate or anti anyone. It's a unique and admirable movement.
 
Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s Conservative Party has gained versus the opposition Labour Party over the past month, a poll published by the Independent newspaper showed on Sunday.

The opinion poll put the Conservatives on 37%, up from 31% a month earlier, while the opposition Labour Party saw their support rise to 29% from 26%. Support for the third-placed Liberal Democrats dropped to 16% from 20%.

Polling company BMG surveyed 1,504 British adults between Nov. 5 and Nov. 8.

Conservatives gain over Labour - Independent poll - Reuters
 
Snazzy said:
"The Brexit Party has announced that it will not stand candidates in the 317 seats won by the Conservatives at the 2017 general election."

General election 2019: Brexit Party will not stand in Tory seats - BBC News

This changes the dynamics, to the relief of BoJo and at a price to Corbyn.

Perhaps a call from Trump prompted Farage for a change in strategy?
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And the promise of a peerage / knighthood.

As for relief - not sure, all this has done is preserve those Conservative seats from competition - it could still split the Leave vote in Leave supporting Labour areas.

That's also unless something rogue pops up like heath and social care which helped the Labour cause in 2017. Expect lots of Labour comments that Trump / Farage and BoJo are planning to sell of the NHS to US private industry.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
And the promise of a peerage / knighthood.

As for relief - not sure, all this has done is preserve those Conservative seats from competition - it could still split the Leave vote in Leave supporting Labour areas.

That's also unless something rogue pops up like heath and social care which helped the Labour cause in 2017. Expect lots of Labour comments that Trump / Farage and BoJo are planning to sell of the NHS to US private industry.
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This survey by Lord Ashcroft in 2017 suggests that the Leave-supporting Labour vote may not be all it's cracked up to be.

politicalbetting.com >> Blog Archive >> What might mess up Tory strategy – Brexit is a much much bigger deal for CON voters than LAB ones
 
General election 2019: Boris Johnson answers your questions and Corbyn in broadband pledge - BBC News

Never mind politicians not knowing the price of milk, this clown doesn't even seem to know how many children he has:

Boris Johnson says the assertion none of his children have been to state school is "wrong".

Asked if he had any children who went to comprehensive school, he responds: "I don't comment about my children."

He is then asked: "Do you have any children currently of school age?"

He says he is not going to comment.

After being told that listeners find it odd that the prime minister is not transparent about the number of children he has, he adds: "Your assertion that none of my children have been to state schools is wrong."
 
Sven Karma said:
General election 2019: Boris Johnson answers your questions and Corbyn in broadband pledge - BBC News

Never mind politicians not knowing the price of milk, this clown doesn't even seem to know how many children he has:

Boris Johnson says the assertion none of his children have been to state school is "wrong".

Asked if he had any children who went to comprehensive school, he responds: "I don't comment about my children."

He is then asked: "Do you have any children currently of school age?"

He says he is not going to comment.

After being told that listeners find it odd that the prime minister is not transparent about the number of children he has, he adds: "Your assertion that none of my children have been to state schools is wrong."
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Has been an issue for many years and comes down to the fact he likes to cheat on his women and possibly has more than the 4 kids that we know about.

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Sven Karma said:
This survey by Lord Ashcroft in 2017 suggests that the Leave-supporting Labour vote may not be all it's cracked up to be.

politicalbetting.com >> Blog Archive >> What might mess up Tory strategy – Brexit is a much much bigger deal for CON voters than LAB ones
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Corbyn turned the tables when May thought she could walk the 2017 election and gain a bigger majority, BoJo and Farage are hoping the same but for a Brexit Parliament. Time will tell, especially with Corbyn being a Leaver in Remain clothing.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Corbyn turned the tables when May thought she could walk the 2017 election and gain a bigger majority, BoJo and Farage are hoping the same but for a Brexit Parliament. Time will tell, especially with Corbyn being a Leaver in Remain clothing.
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Well a potential big problem for Boris will be in the UK 10 days before the election.

Right now the Tories are making mistake after mistake and the TV media and some newspapers are exposing thier stupidity. When the Toey media start following suit, then you know something is up. Just today the neo nazi Tony Robinson had endorsed Boris and Boris has refused to do anything about it. Will be interesting to see if the Tory media can let that fly.

With toxic Trump coming just before the election...Boris is in for a rough ride.

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PeteEU said:
~ Tony Robinson ~
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Tony (Baldrick from Blackadder) Robinson???

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He only recently left the Labour Party - never knew he'd gone full blown nazi? :confused:
 
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This time around, I don't think the numbers will change much.
 
Hamish Howl said:
This time around, I don't think the numbers will change much.
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Tell you what, if Labour have ANYONE with brains about them, they will put Angela Rayner on TV whenever they can. I just watched her interview on BBC Breakfast and she spoke with passion and honesty. Her defence and explanation of Corbyn's position was so much more gritty and "real" than Corbyn has ever put across in interview.

5 minutes later, Sajid Javid was on - polished, dishonest and slippery. If I was still voting Conservative this year for any other reason than Brexit, I would find it hard to support people like him.
 
Who came out on top in the BBC head to head debate the other night?

Bojo was of course his mumbling stuttering self, although he did ok.

I thought Corbyn carried it off ok too, although he didn't win my vote, and never will.
 
2nd hustings is over, I only caught BoJo's bit and even then from halfway through. Very weak on the conservative record regarding broken promises with the NHS but he knew that just mentioning Brexit would have cheers for him.
Let nobody be mistaken - this is the Brexit election, a 2nd or even 3rd referendum in reality. Corbyn has come out as promising a neutral stance in any Brexit referendum - which basically repeats his neutral, non committal position during the 2016 referendum.
 
The Conservatives continue to storm ahead in the Polls - largely at cost to the Brexit Party. Today the national Poll Tracker has the following percentages

Conservatives: 41%
Labour: 29%
Lib Dems: 15%
Brexit Pary: 6% (down from a high of 27% in Summer)
SNP:4% (but they are standing in Scotland only where they are expected to dominate.)
Plaid Cymru: 0%(but they are standing in Wales only where they will gain some seats)
Green: 3%
UKIP: 0%
Independent Group for Change: 0%

Two things strike me, Corbyn eventually fell into the elephant trap warned of by Tony Blair and secondly, I don't think he's bothered that Brexit actually happens. The Remain parties cannot organise around him or Labour at present.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
The Conservatives continue to storm ahead in the Polls - largely at cost to the Brexit Party. Today the national Poll Tracker has the following percentages

Conservatives: 41%
Labour: 29%
Lib Dems: 15%
Brexit Pary: 6% (down from a high of 27% in Summer)
SNP:4% (but they are standing in Scotland only where they are expected to dominate.)
Plaid Cymru: 0%(but they are standing in Wales only where they will gain some seats)
Green: 3%
UKIP: 0%
Independent Group for Change: 0%

Two things strike me, Corbyn eventually fell into the elephant trap warned of by Tony Blair and secondly, I don't think he's bothered that Brexit actually happens. The Remain parties cannot organise around him or Labour at present.
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Corbyn has been stupid all along in believing that his constructive ambiguity would gain him or Labour anything at all.

The way seats were distributed in the last parliament towards the end, he probably couldn't have blocked a snap election anyway. Not so much by refusing to contribute to the required two-third majority for it, but by his incapacity to prevent a no-confidence vote going thru.

I share the take that he doesn't give a damn about Brexit. Just like BoJo he wants to keep hold of his chair, that's all.

He's not keeping the party together as he appears to delude himself into believing, he's ruining it and the sooner he's sent into the retirement that his abundant mediocrity should have kept him in from the getgo, the better.

Whodathunk there'd ever be a worse leader than BLiar?
 
Chagos said:
~ Whodathunk there'd ever be a worse leader than BLiar?
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Labour and Momentum share the blame; there has been ample time to remove Corbyn and they have viciously attacked all those who questioned his leadership.
 
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