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Who will win the UK General Election Dec 2019?

Infinite Chaos

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SUMMARY
1. Boris Johnson's bill for a 12 December election is approved by MPs by 438 votes to 20
2. It will now go to House of Lords for consideration - where it is unlikely to be opposed
3. MPs rejected a Labour amendment to hold an early election on 9 December
4. The bill needed only a simple majority to pass, unlike Monday's attempt which needed two-thirds of MPs to back it
5. EU leaders have agreed in principle to delay Brexit until 31 January 2020

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Once the House of Lords approve, this will quickly become law and there will be an election on Boris' proposed date... Blair has previously warned Corbyn of the "elephant trap" and tonight he firmly believed Labour had finally stepped into that trap.

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Looking at the poll tracker on this page - Labour's unclear stance on Brexit has hurt. The Lib Dems and Conservatives have picked up support (the centre is always squeezed when it comes to actual voting time) and Labour support is down - suggesting the public want clear stance on Brexit and policy.
 
No idea.


But “the people” such as they are will definitely be the losers no matter who wins.
 
Seems highly likely the Conservatives will get the most seats. Unless there's a great deal of tactical voting by Lib Dem and Labour (and there's always a surprising number of them who prefer the conservatives to the other party anyway), it seems like Conservatives will end up with the most seats, and quite likely a majority.
 
My hopeful outcome


The Cons, Brexit Party and the UKIP split the center right/right vote

The Lib Dems, and Labour Split the Center/ Center Left

The SNP snaps up the seat in Scotland

The UK government again ends up with minority government, driving Boris crazy to the point he becomes catatonic and requires adult diapers


Of course it does nothing for the British people, or government but sure would be entertaining
 
Seems highly likely the Conservatives will get the most seats. Unless there's a great deal of tactical voting by Lib Dem and Labour (and there's always a surprising number of them who prefer the conservatives to the other party anyway), it seems like Conservatives will end up with the most seats, and quite likely a majority.

Pretty good analysis and although I tend to vote Conservative, I dread a Conservative majority this time as Boris will be able to tear up any deal or agreement that has been agreed. The current "Conservatives" represent hedge-fund capitalists more than they represent anyone else.

~ But “the people” such as they are will definitely be the losers no matter who wins.

The ones who think "hard Brexit" is a good idea won't care.
 
I have little to say that wan't said above, and Brit politics is not my forte. But I wish we (States) had a dynamic environment like this, with many substantive & vying parties. I detest the two party system, Duverger notwithstanding.
 
It's hard to predict at the moment because of the Brexit Party and the fact of the idiotic first past the post system.

There is no doubt that the Tories will be the biggest party simply because that is how the system is designed, but will the Brexit Party sour the mix and deny a majority...

Will Farage LLC make a pact with Tories or will they go after the same seats?

Will Labour and the Lib Dems make a pact to deny marginal Tory seats?

Only real certain thing is the SNP will take almost all seats in Scotland and both Labour and the Tories will be wiped out up there.

But a lot can happen and the mood can change when people start to realize how bad the deal is for the UK.



Sent from my Honor 8X
 
The SNP in Scotland by a country mile followed by exit from the UK and a wrecking ball through NATO by demanding removal of the rUK's nukes from Scottish soil and NATO losing control of large swathes of the North Atlantic and the North Sea :)
 
The SNP in Scotland by a country mile followed by exit from the UK and a wrecking ball through NATO by demanding removal of the rUK's nukes from Scottish soil and NATO losing control of large swathes of the North Atlantic and the North Sea :)

If Scotland goes independent then they will need their own nukes. The last country to give up their nukes (Ukraine) didnt end up very well...
 
The SNP in Scotland by a country mile followed by exit from the UK ~

This is the cost of some of the failed English promises during the IndyRef 1. Scotland voted "No" and remained in the Union and now faces being taken out of Europe despite the large majority of Scottish voters who wanted to stay in Europe.

If Scotland goes independent then they will need their own nukes. The last country to give up their nukes (Ukraine) didnt end up very well...

Ukraine didn't want to be a non-aligned state though. I believe that is the desire of the SNP.
 
This is the cost of some of the failed English promises during the IndyRef 1. Scotland voted "No" and remained in the Union and now faces being taken out of Europe despite the large majority of Scottish voters who wanted to stay in Europe.



Ukraine didn't want to be a non-aligned state though. I believe that is the desire of the SNP.

Also Russia couldn't give a **** about Scotland.
 
Seems highly likely the Conservatives will get the most seats. Unless there's a great deal of tactical voting by Lib Dem and Labour (and there's always a surprising number of them who prefer the conservatives to the other party anyway), it seems like Conservatives will end up with the most seats, and quite likely a majority.

I agree with this, and hopefully it will be the end of Corbyn as Labour leader due to that outcome.

I honestly cannot see how he could keep his position, so he'll most likely jump before he's forcefully pushed.
 
Ukraine didn't want to be a non-aligned state though. I believe that is the desire of the SNP.

Also Russia couldn't give a **** about Scotland.

It doesnt matter. Who knows what the political situation will be like 30-40 years from now. If a nation wants to protect its sovereignty, then it must have nukes, because conventional war is all about numbers.
 
If Scotland goes independent then they will need their own nukes. The last country to give up their nukes (Ukraine) didnt end up very well...

we don't want or need Nukes or any nuclear technology for that matter .... unlike Ukraine we can fight and we enjoy it
 
This is the cost of some of the failed English promises during the IndyRef 1. Scotland voted "No" and remained in the Union and now faces being taken out of Europe despite the large majority of Scottish voters who wanted to stay in Europe.



Ukraine didn't want to be a non-aligned state though. I believe that is the desire of the SNP.

try UK didn't deliver on any of their promises that one them the vote
Near Federalism (now taking powers from Holyrood)
Guaranteed EU citizenship
Tax Jobs safe in Scotland (tax jobs removed to Coventry months later)
Triple lock on pensions (increased retirement age to 67 and plans for up to 75 with the lowest pension in the developed world)
13 Type 26 frigates built in the Clyde (announced plans to build 3 and are now looking at building the much cheaper type 31 around UK)
The power to hold all future referendums in Scotland
Don't leave UK lead UK instead (what a joke)

utter contempt for Scotland and they wonder why we want out of the UK
 
we don't want or need Nukes or any nuclear technology for that matter .... unlike Ukraine we can fight and we enjoy it

Touche. :lamo
 
we don't want or need Nukes or any nuclear technology for that matter .... unlike Ukraine we can fight and we enjoy it
It was a stupid statement to begin with, what the hell does ownership of nukes have to do with the process of any country anyway ?
 
An old twatter bird is lonely again...
 
It doesnt matter. Who knows what the political situation will be like 30-40 years from now. If a nation wants to protect its sovereignty, then it must have nukes, because conventional war is all about numbers.

Your argument doesn't follow the premise set. Plenty of nations survive and have sovereignty without nuclear weapons.
 
we don't want or need Nukes or any nuclear technology for that matter .... unlike Ukraine we can fight and we enjoy it

Lol. Such hubris. All of Scotland would fit inside what the Russians are occupying in Ukraine.
 
Hello! UK Election predictions, remember?

My hope would be more Lib-Dems, more SDP, more Labour Party seats all at the expense of the U.K. Conservative Party and a responsible Labour-SDP-Lib-Dem minority government in a hung parliament in order to constrain Mr. Corbyn from running amok. After a couple to five years in the wilderness in order to allow the UK Conservative Party to die, rot and come back afreash as new and responsible party, then another election where the chips can fall as they may. I would like to see the disenfranchisement of the City and the UK's shadowy financial interests and off-shore trusts which would see the most UK reduced to a depressed hinterland in service to a "Singapore on the Thames" (as Chagos so aptly put it in another thread IIRC). This is my best case scenario but is not necessarily a likely prediction.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
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I see the Russian is back.

The poor, starving Ukrainian is still here...

Lol. Such hubris. All of Scotland would fit inside what the Russians are occupying in Ukraine.

LOL cowardice. Ukraine got steamrolled by the Nazis and twice by the Russians.

Your argument doesn't follow the premise set. Plenty of nations survive and have sovereignty without nuclear weapons.

If Scotland becomes independent, who knows what will happen. England could try to retake the territory, and it might be lobsterbacks versus highlanders all over again.
 
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