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Catalan separatists sentenced to prison

Was a given they would get convicted of misuse of public funds. The only issue was the sedition and rebellion part and I have no doubt they will appeal. What I have not found out yet is what the penalty for misuse of public funding is.

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In a perfect world, they'd all have been sent to therapy.

In straight jackets, of course.

Forced to listen on a never-ending loop to the appalling tripe that is the Catalan separatists' Band Aid moment:

 
Forced to listen on a never-ending loop to the appalling tripe that is the Catalan separatists' Band Aid moment:

Reminds me I haven't used a puke bucket for so long that I forgot where I stored it.

I guess on my next drive to France (and beyond) I'll use the Atlantic route. That'll involve the Basques, of course, but one can't have it all.
 
Reminds me I haven't used a puke bucket for so long that I forgot where I stored it.

I guess on my next drive to France (and beyond) I'll use the Atlantic route. That'll involve the Basques, of course, but one can't have it all.

Went that way the other way round by foot - nice People and beautiful landscape - I would take that way anyway ;o)
 
Went that way the other way round by foot - nice People and beautiful landscape - I would take that way anyway ;o)
Bah, if I wanted to see abundantly green pastures, lousy weather, snow covered mountains and funny people, I'd be living in Bavaria instead of Andalusia.:mrgreen:

just kidding;)
 
Reminds me I haven't used a puke bucket for so long that I forgot where I stored it.

I guess on my next drive to France (and beyond) I'll use the Atlantic route. That'll involve the Basques, of course, but one can't have it all.

Aragon? I'm sure you can cross the Pyrenees via Huesca.
 
Aragon? I'm sure you can cross the Pyrenees via Huesca.
Well yeah, but who wants (in this current set-up) anything to do with an erstwhile kingdom that actually entitled these idiots?

Even if it only took them under its crown at the time.
 
I hear that an arrest warrant has been issued again on the Mr. Bean clown.

This time (primarily) for misuse of public funds. That might even fly in Belgium where the "rebellion" thing didn't (couldn't).
 
Well yeah, but who wants (in this current set-up) anything to do with an erstwhile kingdom that actually entitled these idiots?

Even if it only took them under its crown at the time.

Nah, the Catalans own their predicament. They have their own mini-Aryan genetic thing going, that they are utterly distinct from anyone else, especially in Iberia. The Aragonese are fine; and in a way it's quite exemplary how such an extensive kingdom just dropped off the map. I've only done the west or east Pyrenees crossings, but have done at different times Madrid-Zaragoza-Huesca-Jaca and it's a pretty straight run. Looks like you end up near Lourdes on the French side, so onward connections shouldn't be too bad.

Should you wish to pause in Aragon en-route my top tips are (1) Calanda. Birthplace of Luis Buñuel. Can't really get more Spanish than that. (2) Los Monegros. Looks like yet another barren rocky outcrop with an ime singularly glum village nestled in it, but it used to be a big forest, which they cut down to build the Armada with. Can't get much more Spanish than that, either.

I hear that an arrest warrant has been issued again on the Mr. Bean clown.

This time (primarily) for misuse of public funds. That might even fly in Belgium where the "rebellion" thing didn't (couldn't).

There's also the impetus that given the guilty verdicts the 'exiles' may now try to escape to countries outwith EU jurisdiction.

The irony is painful, trying to equivalence the Catalan 'Tsunami Democratic' with what's happening in Hong Kong and not understanding why the rest of the world simply dngaf. Well, apart from Nicola Sturgeon and bless her, she couldn't really be seen not to be being supportive.
 
Nah, the Catalans own their predicament. They have their own mini-Aryan genetic thing going, that they are utterly distinct from anyone else, especially in Iberia. The Aragonese are fine; and in a way it's quite exemplary how such an extensive kingdom just dropped off the map. I've only done the west or east Pyrenees crossings, but have done at different times Madrid-Zaragoza-Huesca-Jaca and it's a pretty straight run. Looks like you end up near Lourdes on the French side, so onward connections shouldn't be too bad.

Should you wish to pause in Aragon en-route my top tips are (1) Calanda. Birthplace of Luis Buñuel. Can't really get more Spanish than that. (2) Los Monegros. Looks like yet another barren rocky outcrop with an ime singularly glum village nestled in it, but it used to be a big forest, which they cut down to build the Armada with. Can't get much more Spanish than that, either.
My comment was very tongue-in-cheek.

Once, bored with the Paris route on the way back from the UK, I headed down the Atlantic coast and then cut East along the Pyrenees, because I wanted to see the Tourmalet of Tour fame (I was a fan of the sport until realizing I was really watching pharmaceuticals). After that crossed into Aragon on some back-roads tunnel that went downhill all the way, taking me from a May blizzard on the French side and spitting me out into brilliant sunshine on the other. By that time I wanted to get home and didn't linger but I did put in an overnight stop at Teruel. Great!

Yeah, the idjits further East would have one believe that they actually accommodated Aragon by going under its crown, rather than the other way round.

There's also the impetus that given the guilty verdicts the 'exiles' may now try to escape to countries outwith EU jurisdiction.

The irony is painful, trying to equivalence the Catalan 'Tsunami Democratic' with what's happening in Hong Kong and not understanding why the rest of the world simply dngaf. Well, apart from Nicola Sturgeon and bless her, she couldn't really be seen not to be being supportive.
Can't really blame her, as you say. Opposing sedition of others while pursuing it for one's own doesn't go down all that well. Even if the comparison is stupid in all other aspects. For one thing, the Scots not being motivated by a ginormous inferiority complex as the Catalans are.
 
Sedition? How old were the laws used for that conviction, I wonder? Are you punishing rebels or just creating folk-heroes who will come back stronger in the end?

The sentences seem pretty severe and will no doubt invite legal appeals both in Spain and perhaps in Europe. What will Spain do if a European tribunal overturns the sentences or reduces the sentences dramatically? Tis story is far from over, me thinks, as separatism is a matter of the heart and not a matter of reason, too often. It never goes away and must always be carefully managed to prevent it.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
European law courts aren't getting involved.

Period.
 
Sedition? How old were the laws used for that conviction, I wonder? Are you punishing rebels or just creating folk-heroes who will come back stronger in the end?

The sentences seem pretty severe and will no doubt invite legal appeals both in Spain and perhaps in Europe. What will Spain do if a European tribunal overturns the sentences or reduces the sentences dramatically? Tis story is far from over, me thinks, as separatism is a matter of the heart and not a matter of reason, too often. It never goes away and must always be carefully managed to prevent it.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

Like prevarication (a crime in Spanish, a bad habit in English) 'sedition' is a bit of a false friend. From this article What do sedition and rebellion mean in Spanish law?

As defined by article 544 of Spain's Criminal Code, a person is considered to have committed the crime of sedition if, "without [their actions] being covered in the crime of rebellion, they rise up publicly and tumultuously to prevent, by force or outside of legal means, the application of the Law or any authority, official corporation or public official from legitimately carrying out their functions or complying with their agreements or [to prevent the application] of administrative or judicial resolutions."

To put it in plainer language, in Spanish law, sedition requires a "public and tumultuous uprising" against the law or the authorities. This is considerably different from how we generally understand the term in English, namely as being speech or writing that encourages such actions.


Extradition proceedings against the fugitive politicians and resolving the status of those convicted criminals who are also Members of the European Parliament are the only points that European courts are likely to intervene in.
 
As to the "severity" of the sentences, one should know that what is written (in the sentence) is rarely carried into practice completely.

Despite the long sentences handed down by the supreme court on 14 October, some of the nine leaders convicted of sedition and misuse of public funds could soon be eligible to apply for “semi-liberty”, allowing them out of prison on a regular basis.

Josep María Tamarit, a professor of criminal law at the Open University of Catalonia, said that in cases where a sentence of five years or more was handed out, a court could stipulate “that half the sentence has to be served before prisoners are eligible for semi-liberty”.

However, the supreme court turned down prosecutors’ request for such an order in the Catalan case.

That means that Jordi Sànchez and Jordi Cuixart – who have now served two years in pre-trial detention – could apply to be allowed out on licence as soon as they have served a quarter of their sentences, which would be in January next year.

Oriol Junqueras, who received the longest sentence – 13 years – would have to wait about 15 months before applying.
Catalonia’s separatists were jailed for sedition, but brought down by hubris | Giles Tremlett | Opinion | The Guardian
 
I'm waiting for the 1,200 cars 'Tsunami Democratic' despatched to blockade Madrid-Barajas airport to turn up. Probably all still parked outside the first puticlub in the hills.
 
I'm waiting for the 1,200 cars 'Tsunami Democratic' despatched to blockade Madrid-Barajas airport to turn up. Probably all still parked outside the first puticlub in the hills.

Those clowns never dare venture into "Castilian"
 
I hear Puigdemont has turned himself in to the Belgian police, following a new international arrest order having been issued by Spain.

He presumably thinks he'll be released again, same as last time when a German court set him free on account of the crime of "rebellion" (cited in the arrest order at the time) not existing in German law in the definition that Spain supplied.

This time round Spain wisely didn't include that term, citing "merely" extortion of public funds. Whether the Belgians will concur with Spain remains to be seen but he'll better not travel thru Germany again.
 
I hear Puigdemont has turned himself in to the Belgian police, following a new international arrest order having been issued by Spain.

He presumably thinks he'll be released again, same as last time when a German court set him free on account of the crime of "rebellion" (cited in the arrest order at the time) not existing in German law in the definition that Spain supplied.

This time round Spain wisely didn't include that term, citing "merely" extortion of public funds. Whether the Belgians will concur with Spain remains to be seen but he'll better not travel thru Germany again.
He will be extradited. The charge of fraud aka misappropriation of public funds is enough to get his cowardly ass back to Spain. And there is no doubt of his guilt but of course ehe is doing this to become a martyr. If I was the Spanish prosecution, I would not charge him with sidition but only with fraud and that way he would be a common criminal rather than a martyr.

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He will be extradited. The charge of fraud aka misappropriation of public funds is enough to get his cowardly ass back to Spain. And there is no doubt of his guilt but of course ehe is doing this to become a martyr. If I was the Spanish prosecution, I would not charge him with sidition but only with fraud and that way he would be a common criminal rather than a martyr.

Sent from my Honor 8X
Looks as though that is the plan since tehy can't prosecute him for anything other than what the arrest warrant holds.
 
Meanwhile Catalonians are rioting in significant numbers and a general strike is supposed to happen on Friday or Saturday. It seems Catalonian nationalism and separatism has not been dampened by the harsh sentences meted out by the Sppanish legal system m" but has rather been inflamed. Hearts burn and minds freeze in the throes of the passion for identity. What can be done?

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Apologies for the typos above. I fell asleep typing and must have hit the "Post" button in a semi-conscious state. By the time I awakened from my cat nap it was too late to edit.

Sheepishly.
Evilroddy the narcoleptic one.
 
Meanwhile Catalonians are rioting in significant numbers and a general strike is supposed to happen on Friday or Saturday. It seems Catalonian nationalism and separatism has not been dampened by the harsh sentences meted out by the Sppanish legal system m" but has rather been inflamed. Hearts burn and minds freeze in the throes of the passion for identity. What can be done?

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

Yup, this will only inflame calls for independence and possibly renewed terrorism...
 
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