Poland plans to tear down hundreds of memorials of Soviet - "russian " occupants

Tigerace117 said:

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The horror....the horror...

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Oh god, there's even more Mongolia in the yellow spot called China! That's got to be like, 2 billion Mongolians!

Tigerace117 said:

Which is totally irrelevant to the fact that Russia fought against the Germans. Claiming that they fought with Germany—or that World War Two was started by the Soviets in 1921—is simply unhinged lies.

Unless Vladimir Putin is a time traveler, what he does today is totally irrelevant to what happened in the 1940s.

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It is also true that Russia annexed Poland just like Hitler did and the removal of memorials placed by that oppressor is very normal and correct. Russia's behavior after WWII is beyond reprehensible and remains so to this day.

Jesse Booth said:

Oh god, there's even more Mongolia in the yellow spot called China! That's got to be like, 2 billion Mongolians!

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We are doomed, I tell you. Dooooomed

joko104 said:

Russia was one of two invaders of Poland, and then the 2 invaders fought over control of Poland. Russia won. Russia did NOT liberal Poland. How does that make Russians heroic to Poles? It replaced Germany as the oppressive occupying invader country.

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Russia was not the Soviet union it was 1 of 17 republics that made the Soviet Union ... the Soviet leader at the time Losef Stalin was Georgian

iu find it odd Litwin a Swede talking about war never mind the 2nd World War when his country hid and did nothing ... the Swedes are a joke

Godric1970 said:

Russia was not the Soviet union it was 1 of 17 republics that made the Soviet Union ... the Soviet leader at the time Losef Stalin was Georgian

iu find it odd Litwin a Swede talking about war never mind the 2nd World War when his country hid and did nothing ... the Swedes are a joke

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The Russian SSR had all of the power in the Soviet Union.

Litwin said:

this process is no one can stop , why "russia" is so against it, cheep PR? as we all know "russia" fought on Hitler side in WW2

"Since 1989, Poles have removed hundreds of memorials erected after World War II .... But around 200 memorials still remain. Now, the government wants them gone :2wave: ."

Poland plans to tear down hundreds of Soviet memorials | Europe| News and current affairs from around the continent | DW | 13.04.2016

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If they run across any memorials of general Lee, they will take those down as well.

iguanaman said:

It is also true that Russia annexed Poland just like Hitler did and the removal of memorials placed by that oppressor is very normal and correct. Russia's behavior after WWII is beyond reprehensible and remains so to this day.

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And if the Red Army hadn’t liberated Poland, there wouldn’t be any Poles left at all.

Outlook said:

If they run across any memorials of general Lee, they will take those down as well.

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The Soviets fought against a regime which was committed genocide on a massive scale.

The Confederacy fought for slavery.

The two aren’t comparable.

Litwin said:

"russia" fought on Hitler side in WW2[/B]

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What??
Hitler invaded Russia.

Stalin was just as bad as Hitler. He invaded Finland and the Baltic States.
My grandparents and mother escaped with the Germans for fear of the Russians.

Tigerace117 said:

The Soviets fought against a regime which was committed genocide on a massive scale.

The Confederacy fought for slavery.

The two aren’t comparable.

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Not for one minute think that the Russians were saviors of the free world.
They committed genocide on a massive scale as well, try couple million from 1918 to 1944.
Look up the Great Purge ordered by Stalin where he murdered an estimated 1.2 million.

Tigerace117 said:

The Soviets fought against a regime which was committed genocide on a massive scale.

The Confederacy fought for slavery.

The two aren’t comparable.

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The Soviets fought to continue their conquest and occupation of Poland. They were not a liberating force as the USA was for countries we liberated from the Germans.

All said, they should not be destroying those historic statutes and monuments. They are part of their history. Or should Rome, the Pyramids and all great old cities be destroyed because their countries had slavery and employed mass atrocities?

History is history. It should be preserved - not just what people think is nice in this generation.

joko104 said:

The Soviets fought to continue their conquest and occupation of Poland. They were not a liberating force as the USA was for countries we liberated from the Germans.

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The Soviets fought to destroy the nazi invaders and put an end to their evil, and in doing so liberated Eastern Europe.

Outlook said:

Not for one minute think that the Russians were saviors of the free world.
They committed genocide on a massive scale as well, try couple million from 1918 to 1944.
Look up the Great Purge ordered by Stalin where he murdered an estimated 1.2 million.

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The confederates exploited and brutalized millions of people, dating back long before they’d even seceded. It was only threats to the well being of Confederate POWs that prevented them from conducting mass murder of African American POWs.

Outlook said:

What??
Hitler invaded Russia.

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no, Hitler inavaded its old ally USSR in 1941, but "russia" fought on Hitler´s side entire war



and today

Russian Liberation Army - Wikipedia

Outlook said:

If they run across any memorials of general Lee, they will take those down as well.

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no, east Europeans love everything American

Tigerace117 said:

Hitler and Stalin hated each other like rat poison, and there was certainly no “imitation” involved. Hitler slaughtered those he thought would rebel or were “inconvenient”.

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not really,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Bolshevik#Notable_Old_Bolsheviks

meanwhile koba slaughtered not just those he thought would rebel or were “inconvenient" but everyone around including members of his family and Politburo, pure madman , why do you like him so much?
" Stalin, himself an Old Bolshevik, became paranoid of challenges to his rule from within the party, fearing that Old Bolsheviks were potential usurpers who could exploit the upheaval and use their prestige to depose him. Stalin used the assassination of Sergei Kirov in 1934 as a pretext to purge the party, and removed almost all surviving Old Bolsheviks from positions of power during the Great Purge from 1936 to 1938. Purged Old Bolsheviks were condemned in a series of show trials known as the Moscow Trials, and then executed for treason or sent as prisoners to the Gulag system of labor camps. By 1938, the number of Old Bolsheviks who remained in power (other than Stalin himself) was negligible, and the vacant positions were filled by a younger generation of party members who were considered to be more loyal to Stalin himself. "
Old Bolshevik - Wikipedia
Great Purge - Wikipedia

Tigerace117 said:

The Soviets fought against a regime which was committed genocide on a massive scale.

The Confederacy fought for slavery.

The two aren’t comparable.

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LOL, you KNOW NOTHING about our history OR JUST A satanic COMMIE, your buddies commies enslaved 100 000 000 peasants in few of years , G. Lee&C could not even dream about this

In the early 1930s over 91% of agricultural land became collectivized as rural households entered collective farms with their land, livestock, and other assets. The collectivization era saw several famines, many due to the technological backwardness of the USSR at the time, but critics have also cited deliberate action on the government's part.[3] The death toll cited by experts has ranged from 7 million to 14 million.[

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Collectivization in the Soviet Union - Wikipedia

i am not talking about koba´s GULAG which was the worst , most brutal in history slave enterprise

women and small kinds


so commie, SHOULD we celebrate your collectivization and GULAG slavery ?

Jetboogieman said:

The initial non aggression pact and subsequent partition of Poland may be what he’s referring to.

And history is complex, you may be correct as things turned out but I’ve recently seen interesting evidence that the Soviet Union may have tried to sue for peace during the war and it appears those territorial concessions may have included all of Poland and then some.

On top of that the Soviet’s betrayal of the people of Warsaw during the Warsaw uprising isn’t exactly a bright spot either and of course the subsequent installation of a communist puppet state and decades of oppression, backed up by the Red Army, wasn’t so good either.

So I can understand the sentiment.

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This.

Litwin said:

not really,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Bolshevik#Notable_Old_Bolsheviks

meanwhile koba slaughtered not just those he thought would rebel or were “inconvenient" but everyone around including members of his family and Politburo, pure madman , why do you like him so much?
" Stalin, himself an Old Bolshevik, became paranoid of challenges to his rule from within the party, fearing that Old Bolsheviks were potential usurpers who could exploit the upheaval and use their prestige to depose him. Stalin used the assassination of Sergei Kirov in 1934 as a pretext to purge the party, and removed almost all surviving Old Bolsheviks from positions of power during the Great Purge from 1936 to 1938. Purged Old Bolsheviks were condemned in a series of show trials known as the Moscow Trials, and then executed for treason or sent as prisoners to the Gulag system of labor camps. By 1938, the number of Old Bolsheviks who remained in power (other than Stalin himself) was negligible, and the vacant positions were filled by a younger generation of party members who were considered to be more loyal to Stalin himself. "
Old Bolshevik - Wikipedia
Great Purge - Wikipedia

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Yes, Hitler did slaughter those he found ”inconvenient” rather than “deporting” them. Again, historical fact. And yes, both he and Stalin absolutely despised each other. It was only a matter of time before one stabbed the other in the back; and it was Hitler, who desperately wanted “lebensraum” who made the first move.

Congrats, you proved nothing.

Litwin said:

LOL, you KNOW NOTHING about our history OR JUST A satanic COMMIE, your buddies commies enslaved 100 000 000 peasants in few of years , G. Lee&C could not even dream about this


Collectivization in the Soviet Union - Wikipedia

i am not talking about koba´s GULAG which was the worst , most brutal in history slave enterprise

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If the best you’ve got is “durr hurr your a commie” it’s pretty clear you’ve lost this one bud :lamo

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...en-his-unit-liberated-auschwitz-70-years-ago/

http://https://www.jhi.pl/en/blog/2018-01-27-images-from-the-liberation-of-the-auschwitz-birkenau-camp

http://https://russkiymir.ru/upload/medialibrary/35f/35fb588c9f80ae590a1cdd33fa9e2f2a.jpg

But I forgot......in Lithuania those who assisted in the Holocaust are held up as heroes.

Litwin said:

women and small kinds

so commie, SHOULD we celebrate your collectivization and GULAG slavery ?

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http://https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Shoes_of_victims_of_Auschwitz_-_5.JPG

http://https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwid4aeqn93kAhX3FjQIHdURAloQjhx6BAgBEAI&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbc.ca%2Fradio%2Fthecurrent%2Fthe-current-for-november-10-2017-1.4395380%2Fthat-s-me-on-the-picture-how-a-book-cover-brought-a-holocaust-historian-and-auschwitz-survivor-together-1.4395648&psig=AOvVaw2AmVbGpGuYmLcQnkBc6cTu&ust=1568994821553690



This is the kind of **** that gets celebrated by you fans of Noreika, so your indignation rings hollow.

The Red Army liberated Eastern Europe and put a stop to the Nazis’ efforts to exterminate “undesirables”. Yes, that is worth celebrating.

Litwin said:

no, Hitler inavaded its old ally USSR in 1941, but "russia" fought on Hitler´s side entire war

and today

Russian Liberation Army - Wikipedia

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Ypatingasis b& - Wikipedia

“Together with German police, the squad participated in the Ponary massacre, where some 70,000 Jews were murdered,[11] along with estimated 20,000 Poles and 8,000 Russian POWs, many from nearby Vilnius.”

Lithuanian Security Police - Wikipedia

“During the first weeks of German occupation, LSP was focused on persecuting communists regardless of their nationality. At that time, Jews were persecuted only if they were involved in communist activities.[4] Members of LSP collected at least some evidence to support the charge. However, that quickly changed and Jews became persecuted because of their ethnicity. The LSP targeted Jews and suspected Jews, supporters of Jews, people evading imprisonment in the ghettos, escapees from ghettos,[7] or those who violated the Nazi racial laws.[4]
The activities of the LSP offices in major cities (Vilnius, Kaunas) and in the provinces differed in principle.[4] The LSP officers in major cities would most often study more complicated cases of political and strategic character, thus not directly participating in mass killings of the Jews. After interrogations, the Jews were handed over either to the Gestapo or to another Lithuanian collaborationist force named Ypatingasis būrys, which then transported them to the mass murder site of Paneriai or to other places of mass execution.[8][9] The LSP offices in the province took an active role in the Holocaust and, altogether, were more active. Here, the LSP officials would not only conduct the interrogations, but would also organize mass arrests, transport Jews to the venues of imprisonment or execution, and carry out the executions.[4] ”

Tigerace117 said:

The Soviets fought to destroy the nazi invaders and put an end to their evil, and in doing so liberated Eastern Europe.

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They did not liberate Eastern Europe. They conquered and subjugated Eastern Europe.

It is frustrating just how ignorant so many people are of history. The Soviets INVADED Poland in a military attack. The Soviets killed massive numbers of Poles and sent hundreds of thousands of Poles to death camps in Siberia. Russia did not liberate Poland.

Russia invaded Poland militarily in conjunction with the German invasion, the two dividing up Poland as conquerors. Then Germany and Russia fought over who would be the final country to enslave and subjugate Poland - and Russia won. Russia then undertook Stalin's tactics of terrorizing the entire population, sending hundreds of thousands of Poles to slave labor death camps in Siberia - most never to return.

While I oppose destroying monuments and statutes as they are history and only IDIOTS try to erase history, Russia did NOT liberate Poland. Russia invaded and enslaved Poland. That's a fact that can not be disputed except by ignorance.