• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Moscow is in shock, Prague to remove statue of Soviet marshal who led Red Army forces

Litwin

Litwin

Banned
DP Veteran
Joined
Sep 2, 2017
Messages
33,607
Reaction score
5,193
Location
GDL/Sweden
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Centrist
Moscow is in shock, Prague to remove statue of Soviet marshal who led Red Army forces.

whats really funny here,

that yes, Prague was liberated from Germans by one Muscovite general , but he now not stalin´s general , but Vlasov´s one :lamo

Vlasov%204.png

45656_2_844x600.jpeg

Prague to remove statue of Soviet marshal who led Red Army forces - Reuters
 
Litwin said:
Moscow is in shock, Prague to remove statue of Soviet marshal who led Red Army forces.

whats really funny here,

that yes, Prague was liberated from Germans by one Muscovite general , but he now not stalin´s general , but Vlasov´s one :lamo

Vlasov%204.png

45656_2_844x600.jpeg

Prague to remove statue of Soviet marshal who led Red Army forces - Reuters
Click to expand...

Ivan Konev did not fight for Vlasov.....so your comment makes zero sense.

As for the rest, while the Soviets did brutally oppress Eastern Europe after the war, they also did liberate the area from the Nazis....and that counts for a lot.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Ivan Konev did not fight for Vlasov.....so your comment makes zero sense.

As for the rest, while the Soviets did brutally oppress Eastern Europe after the war, they also did liberate the area from the Nazis....and that counts for a lot.
Click to expand...

Trading one dictator for another is no grand bargain.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Considering that the Nazis were actively slaughtering or enslaving the Czechs....yes, it really was.
Click to expand...

The Czechs joined NATO asap. That should tell you something.
 
Tigerace117 said:
The fact that there were Czechs left to join NATO at all is because Konev’s army liberated the country.
Click to expand...

Oh C'mon. The Nazi's weren't going to murder all Czechs. That's just BS.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Oh C'mon. The Nazi's weren't going to murder all Czechs. That's just BS.
Click to expand...

Oh yeah, because the Nazis had such a good record of not committing mass murder :roll:

Maybe they would have kept a few around as slave laborers, but they saw Slavs as subhuman and had no qualms about slaughtering them. That’s historical fact. Look at the rampages they went on after Heydrich got killed.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Oh yeah, because the Nazis had such a good record of not committing mass murder :roll:
Click to expand...

Right. Czechoslovakia was populated by Jews.

Tigerace117 said:
That’s historical fact. Look at the rampages they went on after Heydrich got killed.
Click to expand...

Such reprisals would have happened in any country in which Heydrich was assassinated.

Geezus. Talk about historical revisionism.
 
Tigerace117 said:
The fact that there were Czechs left to join NATO at all is because Konev’s army liberated the country.
Click to expand...

Konev is koba´s dirty stalinist dog and Asiatic occupant , who launched attack on Hungarian uprising

"The Hungarian Revolution of 1956 (Hungarian: 1956-os forradalom), or the Hungarian ...... The second Soviet intervention, codenamed "Operation Whirlwind", was launched by Marshal Ivan Konev. The five Soviet divisions stationed in Hungary"

p5280841-5.jpg

prague-czech-republic-08th-may-2018-the-statue-of-soviet-marshal-ivan-konev-in-prague-was-splashed-by-pink-colour-and-sprayed-by-red-colour-last-night-on-the-photo-is-seen-the-statue-on-may-8-2018-the-statue-was-already-sprayed-last-year-at-the-end-of-world-war-two-in-may-1945-konev-1897-1973-helped-liberate-prague-there-have-been-controversies-over-the-statue-due-to-konevs-participation-in-the-suppression-of-the-hungarian-uprising-against-the-communist-regime-in-1956-and-the-building-of-the-berlin-wall-in-1961-credit-vit-simanekctk-photoalamy-live-news-MM0568.jpg
 
Rogue Valley said:
Right. Czechoslovakia was populated by Jews.



Such reprisals would have happened in any country in which Heydrich was assassinated.

Geezus. Talk about historical revisionism.
Click to expand...

And Slavs, who the Nazis hated almost as much.

Yes, arguing that “gee, the Nazis wouldn’t have slaughtered the Slavic population of the areas under their control” is pretty basic revisionism, considering that’s literally what they did.

The Germans flat out annihilated the Jewish populace of the area, and killed hundreds of thousands of non Jewish Czechs as well. Generalplan Ost figures that maybe 50% of them could eventually be “Germanized”. The facts remain the same—Konev and the Soviets saved the Czechs from a horrific fate.
 
Litwin said:
Konev is koba´s dirty stalinist dog and Asiatic occupant , who launched attack on Hungarian uprising

"The Hungarian Revolution of 1956 (Hungarian: 1956-os forradalom), or the Hungarian ...... The second Soviet intervention, codenamed "Operation Whirlwind", was launched by Marshal Ivan Konev. The five Soviet divisions stationed in Hungary"

p5280841-5.jpg

prague-czech-republic-08th-may-2018-the-statue-of-soviet-marshal-ivan-konev-in-prague-was-splashed-by-pink-colour-and-sprayed-by-red-colour-last-night-on-the-photo-is-seen-the-statue-on-may-8-2018-the-statue-was-already-sprayed-last-year-at-the-end-of-world-war-two-in-may-1945-konev-1897-1973-helped-liberate-prague-there-have-been-controversies-over-the-statue-due-to-konevs-participation-in-the-suppression-of-the-hungarian-uprising-against-the-communist-regime-in-1956-and-the-building-of-the-berlin-wall-in-1961-credit-vit-simanekctk-photoalamy-live-news-MM0568.jpg
Click to expand...

Oh look, more blatant racism. It’s not 1950 anymore bud, screeching about “Asiatic occupiers” is not considered an argument.

None of which changes the fact that his armies liberated large amounts of territory—including Prague—from the Nazis.
 
Litwin said:
apply https://www.linkedin.com/company/sputnik-news
Click to expand...

“Faced with military collapse, no arriving Allied help, and threats to destroy the city, the Czech National Council agreed to negotiate with Wehrmacht General Rudolf Toussaint.[90] Toussaint, running out of time to evacuate Wehrmacht units westward, was in an equally desperate position.[81] After several hours of negotiations, it was agreed that on the morning of 9 May, the Czechs would allow German soldiers to pass westward through Prague, and in exchange German forces leaving the city would surrender their arms.[91] A ceasefire was finally agreed to around midnight. However, some pockets of German forces were unaware of or disobeyed the ceasefire,[78] and civilians feared a continuation of the German atrocities which had intensified over the previous two days. Late in the evening, reports reached Prague of the liberation of Theresienstadt concentration camp, northwest of the city, and the advance of the Red Army into other areas north of Prague.[92”

Prague uprising - Wikipedia
 
Tigerace117 said:
Oh look, more blatant racism. It’s not 1950 anymore bud, screeching about “Asiatic occupiers” is not considered an argument.

None of which changes the fact that his armies liberated large amounts of territory—including Prague—from the Nazis.
Click to expand...

do you think ussr was an European country (empire), nothing racial in term Asiatic, its indicates despotism as a from of governance ?

ps

" Milos Zeman, the Czech president, said he intended to pay tribute to the soldiers of the Russian Liberation Army (ROA) ...

Led by General Andrei Vlasov and comprising deserters, Soviet POWs desperate to escape the wretched conditions of their camps and anticommunists, the ROA was formed under German command in November 1944, but later defected to the Allies. "
 
Litwin said:
do you think ussr was an European country (empire), nothing racial in term Asiatic, its indicates despotism as a from of governance ?

ps

" Milos Zeman, the Czech president, said he intended to pay tribute to the soldiers of the Russian Liberation Army (ROA) ...

Led by General Andrei Vlasov and comprising deserters, Soviet POWs desperate to escape the wretched conditions of their camps and anticommunists, the ROA was formed under German command in November 1944, but later defected to the Allies. "
Click to expand...

There is nothing inherently “Asian” about having a despotic government. There have been despotic countries across every inch of the globe for centuries. But hey, way to pull out another racist trope from the 1800s.

Yes, Russia is a European country. It also has territory in Asia....as did virtually every European country over the years.

Again, none of which changes the facts. The Germans withdrew after a pitched battle, and Prague was liberated by Konev.
 
Tigerace117 said:
...Generalplan Ost figures that maybe 50% of them could eventually be “Germanized”. The facts remain the same—Konev and the Soviets saved the Czechs from a horrific fate.
Click to expand...
Germans had 100 such plans every German department and even many party leaders have had 1 or 2 "future Europe plans" , so stop your stalinist propaganda here and talk about what has happened not what ´d happened (accoring you & koba dzhugashvili)
 
Tigerace117 said:
Yes, Russia is a European country..
Click to expand...
really , why is always against us, 19c or today , why is your "russia" not part of EU and NATO , why it attacks all our democratic institutions ?
 
Tigerace117 said:
There is nothing inherently “Asian” about having a despotic government. There have been despotic countries across every inch of the globe for centuries..
Click to expand...
in 21c, in Europe? name couple of them ? why your Muscovy always has had despotic form of governance ?
 
" The Russians played a vital role in staving off attacks by the SS, and so saved the Czech capital from significant damage and loss of life.

"My participation in the events in Moscow is to honour all Soviet citizens [who died in the war], including the ROA soldiers," Mr Zeman said in an interview for Czech Radio. "It is like with a human life. You do some bad things as Vlasov did, but at the close of your life, you do one good thing." Putin's VE Day plans hit as guest pledges to honour Russians who collaborated with Nazis - Telegraph
 
Litwin said:
in 21c, in Europe? name couple of them ? why your Muscovy always has had despotic form of governance ?
Click to expand...

Hungary, Belarus, Turkey, Poland is getting there...and that’s just off the top of my head.

And no, Russia has not “always” had an despotic form of governance. That is patently untrue.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom