Moscow is in shock, Prague to remove statue of Soviet marshal who led Red Army forces

Litwin said:

what do you think Czechs, Poles , etc . think about your stalinist propaganda? , and why they have destroyed 99% of all sights of stalinist - Asiatic - totalitarian occupation already?

Poland Prepares to Demolish Remaining Soviet Monuments to WWII Liberation - Sputnik International

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“Stalinist propaganda”. No, the fact that the Nazis were fully planning on slaughtering the people’s of Eastern Europe is not “propaganda” in any way, shape or form.....and the Poles especially know it.


Soviet Military Cemetery, Warsaw - Wikipedia

“Pamięci żołnierzy Armii Radzieckiej poległych o Wyzwolenie Polski spod Okupacji Niemieckiej w Latach 1944-1945." (Polish)
"To the memory of the Soviet Army soldiers who fell while liberating Poland from German occupation in the years 1944-1945."

Oh look, more blatant racism. No wonder Nazi collaborators are so popular.

Litwin said:

what do you think Czechs, Poles , etc . think about your stalinist propaganda? , and why they have destroyed 99% of all sights of stalinist - Asiatic - totalitarian occupation already?

Poland Prepares to Demolish Remaining Soviet Monuments to WWII Liberation - Sputnik International

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Lithuania asks partisans to ‘justify’ their actions

Lithuania and Nazis: The country wants to forget its collaborationist past by accusing Jewish partisans of war crimes.

“These days, Arad, and others like him, are no longer lauded for their wartime efforts on behalf of Lithuania. In a new party line, institutions of the contemporary Lithuanian government now portray Nazi-aligned nationalists as anti-Soviet heroes and anti-Nazi partisans—in particular the Jewish ones—as traitors.”

“In an of inversion of Denmark, the nation where massive local resistance to the Nazi occupiers saved the lives of most Danish Jews, in Lithuania, zealous local collaboration ensured near-complete extermination. One of the only ways for a Jew to survive the Holocaust in Lithuania—the deadliest place on a deadly continent—was the way Yitzhak Arad did: as a partisan fighting the Nazis and their collaborators in the forests.”

“Most Lithuanian Jews were shot near their hometowns. And, according to Lithuanian historian Alfonas Eidintas, the majority of them were shot by other Lithuanians, not by Germans. In Lithuania, the murderers and the murdered were sometimes even neighbors—your dentist, your customer, your daughter’s middle school crush. This lack of anonymity was a survivor’s nightmare, but a prosecutor’s dream.

One veteran Jewish partisan, Joseph Melamed, had begun compiling a list of names of collaborators from his fellow survivors in 1944. He had been born in Kaunas, Lithuania’s second largest city, and remembers the vigilante killing squads that swept through the streets when the Red Army fell back in the face of the Nazi attack. “The Germans were not there; the Lithuanians did it themselves,” said Melamed when we spoke in Tel Aviv (by phone; the elderly war veteran had just been admitted to a local hospital). “I saw them carrying off Jews and Lithuanians standing on the sidewalks were giving them ovations, shouting ‘Bravo! Bravo!’ ””

Litwin said:

what do you think Czechs, Poles , etc . think about your stalinist propaganda? , and why they have destroyed 99% of all sights of stalinist - Asiatic - totalitarian occupation already?

Poland Prepares to Demolish Remaining Soviet Monuments to WWII Liberation - Sputnik International

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“In one of its very first independent actions, before even fully breaking free of Moscow, Lithuania’s parliament formally exonerated several Lithuanian nationalists who had collaborated in the Holocaust and had been convicted by Soviet military courts after the war. The right-wing paramilitaries who had carried out the mass murder of Lithuania’s Jews were now hailed as national heroes on account of their anti-Soviet bona fides. Among many now-glorified leaders was Jonas Noreika, a paramilitary fighter who was executed for his anti-Soviet activities in 1947. According to a Holocaust survivor’s account published in the German newsmagazine Der Spiegel, Noreika led the extermination of the Jews in the Lithuanian city of Plunge. Since independence, however, Lithuania’s prosecutor general has restricted access to Noreika’s wartime files. Meanwhile, the state body charged with investigating and memorializing Nazi- and Soviet-era atrocities, the Genocide and Resistance Research Centre of Lithuania, turned the former guerrilla leader into a national hero. In 1997, Noreika was posthumously awarded one of the state’s highest honors, the Order of the Cross of Vytis, First Degree; in 2010, a primary school was named after him”

Poland plans to tear down hundreds of Soviet memorials

Since 1989, Poles have removed hundreds of memorials erected after World War II ...around 200 memorials still remain. Now, the government wants them goneeace.

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Lithuania’s parliament formally

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a classical example of stalinist -commie Whataboutism

"Whataboutism, also known as whataboutery, is a variant of the tu quoque logical fallacy that attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument, which in the United States is particularly associated with Soviet and Russian propaganda."

Litwin said:

a classical example of stalinist -commie Whataboutism

"Whataboutism, also known as whataboutery, is a variant of the tu quoque logical fallacy that attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument, which in the United States is particularly associated with Soviet and Russian propaganda."

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Nope, it is simple fact.

You can’t celebrate Nazi collaborators(while going after Jewish partisans, no less) and then cry about how awful the other guy is. It is rank hypocrisy.

And crying “Stalinist propaganda” when confronted with the facts is just lame.

As I just documented, however, there appears to be a serious issue in Lithuania when it comes to viewing the Second World War.

The Nazis and their collaborators seem to be viewed as heroes, fighting against the Soviets, who are viewed as the “real villains”.

Litwin said:

a classical example of stalinist -commie Whataboutism

"Whataboutism, also known as whataboutery, is a variant of the tu quoque logical fallacy that attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument, which in the United States is particularly associated with Soviet and Russian propaganda."

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When you try to deny that being liberated from Nazi oppression is a, well, liberation, and start making pathetic excuses in defending them—- for example, attempting to handwave away Generalplan Ost—-one begins to ask themself “well, why might that be”.

The answer doesn’t look very flattering for you.

Tigerace117 said:

~................. As I just documented, however, there appears to be a serious issue in Lithuania when it comes to viewing the Second World War.

The Nazis and their collaborators seem to be viewed as heroes, fighting against the Soviets, who are viewed as the “real villains”.

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Well, let me put it this way: Everything is relative.

In this particular example by the timeline of Russia having been in Lithuania well before the German Nazis appeared and immediately behaving like murderous thugs. As early as the late 1700s.

Hatred of Russia has fogged perceptions ever since and Stalin's "re-take" of 1940 (ending Lithuanian independence) didn't do much for improvement.

Takes nothing though from Lithuania's collaboration with the German thugs.

Chagos said:

Well, let me put it this way: Everything is relative.

In this particular example by the timeline of Russia having been in Lithuania well before the German Nazis appeared and immediately behaving like murderous thugs. As early as the late 1700s.

Hatred of Russia has fogged perceptions ever since and Stalin's "re-take" of 1940 (ending Lithuanian independence) didn't do much for improvement.

Takes nothing though from Lithuania's collaboration with the German thugs.

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It’d be one thing have being celebrating these guys years ago, but it’s absolutely inexcusable for people like Jonas Noreika, who absolutely played an enthusiastic role in the slaughter of Lithuania’s Jews, to be held up as heroes.

One can hate Russia all they want; one can hate Stalin all they want. I do see your point. But the Nazis were far, far worse.

today in Czechia in Ostrava

Chagos said:

Well, let me put it this way: Everything is relative.

In this particular example by the timeline of Russia having been in Lithuania well before the German Nazis appeared and immediately behaving like murderous thugs. As early as the late 1700s.

Hatred of Russia has fogged perceptions ever since and Stalin's "re-take" of 1940 (ending Lithuanian independence) didn't do much for improvement.

Takes nothing though from Lithuania's collaboration with the German thugs.

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You can't explain subtleties to him. He's another know-it-all. Book smart and nuance dumb.

Rogue Valley said:

You can't explain subtleties to him. He's another know-it-all. Book smart and nuance dumb.

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"Nuance"

Yeah, there's not a whole lot of nuance to gleefully supporting the slaughter of Lithuania's Jewish population.

Which is what those collaborators did.

a typical example of Stalinist propaganda , anyone who fights juchi projects are Nazi , Israelis, Americans, Ukrainians, Balts , Finns , anyone . EU was very clear about whitewashing of putlers stalinism

Litwin said:

a typical example of Stalinist propaganda , anyone who fights juchi projects are Nazi , Israelis, Americans, Ukrainians, Balts , Finns , anyone . EU was very clear about whitewashing of putlers stalinism

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Considering that the collaborators literally wrote pamphlets and books calling for the boycott of Jewish businesses on “nationalistic” grounds(amongst numerous other incidents) it is not “Stalinist propaganda” to point out they gleefully supporter the extermination of Lithuania’s Jews....because they did.

Juche didn’t exist in the 1940s.

"Jewish businesses on “nationalistic” grounds" what are you talking about ? are you drunk ? we talk here about Stalinist satanic idols (other symbols of totalitarianism ) , this is our subject

take this one for today

Litwin said:

"Jewish businesses on “nationalistic” grounds" what are you talking about ? are you drunk ? we talk here about Stalinist satanic idols (other symbols of totalitarianism ) , this is our subject

take this one for today

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“In 1933, Noreika published an anti-Semitic booklet titled Hold Your Head High, Lithuanian, which called for a total economic boycott of Lithuanian Jews on nationalistic grounds.[2][3][4] In 1939, in the military magazine Kardas, he published an essay, "The Fruitfulness of Authoritarian Politics", about the exemplary leadership of Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini.[5] ”

Jonas Noreika - Wikipedia

No, I am not. You might be though. That would explain a lot.

And yes, you have blathered on quite a bit about “satanism” “juche” and “Mongols”

ok, make the thread about Jonas Noreika, here we are discussing about Prague (and ALL other Central and Eastern European cities) to remove statue of Soviet .... what you can say about it?

Litwin said:

ok, make the thread about Jonas Noreika, here we are discussing about Prague (and ALL other Central and Eastern European cities) to remove statue of Soviet .... what you can say about it?

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I have already pointed out numerous facts about the Soviet liberation of Prague. You made multiple threads about this topic in the past. And as I said before; people who put up statues of Nazi collaborators don’t have room to cry about Soviet statues.

Tigerace117 said:

I have already pointed out numerous facts about the Soviet liberation of Prague. You made multiple threads about this topic in the past. And as I said before; people who put up statues of Nazi collaborators don’t have room to cry about Soviet statues.

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One man's hero is another man's despot and vice-versa.

Plus one must always consider time and place which you - apparently an absolutist - either can not or will not do.

"Soviet "liberation" of Prague" its a crime here in EU, but we have to punish harsher maskal - stalinist like you . it was the totalitarian Asiatic occupation , everyone knows it
"Ahead of the German invasion of Poland on 1 September, 1939 Germany and the Soviet Union agreed to carve up eastern Europe between them in a secret clause of the infamous Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact.

The USSR, allied with Nazi Germany, attacked Poland on September 17, 1939, and occupied part of its territory before Hitler launched a surprise attack against the Soviet Union on June 22, 1941.

Duda’s aide Krzysztof Szczerski suggested that invoking historical logic “in the context of September, 1939 is problematic,” adding Poland and its allies respected international law.

“Breaking these rules was the mark of the aggressors in 1939 and remains the biggest threat to peace today,” he was quoted as saying."


"Poland's decision not to invite the Russian delegation to WWII commemoration ceremony has to do with Russian aggression against Ukraine. Krzysztof Szczerski, chief advisor to the Polish president, stated in March 2019 that the anniversary ceremony will be held “in the company of countries with whom Poland now cooperates closely for peace based on the respect for international law, for the sovereignty of nations and of their territories”. This point was reiterated by Jacek Sasin, Polish deputy prime minister in July, who said: "I think it would be inappropriate to mark the anniversary of the beginning of the armed aggression against Poland with the participation of a leader who today treats his neighbours using the same methods."
Poland did not invite Putin to the WWII commemoration ceremony to disrupt Belarus-Russia relations - EU vs DISINFORMATION

Rogue Valley said:

One man's hero is another man's despot and vice-versa.

Plus one must always consider time and place which you - apparently an absolutist - either can not or will not do.

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There is no excuse for collaborating with the Nazis. There is no excuse for actively participating in the Holocaust either. Rampant antisemitism led to the Holocaust in Lithuania largely being a local affair.

“On 24 June 1941, the Lithuanian Security Police (Lietuvos saugumo policija), subordinate to Nazi Germany's Security Police and Nazi Germany's Criminal Police, was created. It would be involved in various actions against the Jews and other enemies of the Nazi regime.[18] Nazi commanders filed reports purporting the "zeal" of the Lithuanian police battalions surpassed their own.[11] The most notorious Lithuanian unit participating in the Holocaust was the Ypatingasis būrys (a subdivision of German SD) from the Vilnius (Vilna, Wilno) area which[citation needed] killed tens of thousands of Jews, Poles and others in the Ponary massacre.[14][15][18] Another Lithuanian organization involved in the Holocaust was the Lithuanian Labor Guard.[2] Many Lithuanian supporters of the Nazi policies came from the fascist Iron Wolf organization.[3] Overall, the nationalistic Lithuanian administration was interested in the liquidation of the Jews as a perceived enemy and potential rivals of ethnic Lithuanians and thus not only did not oppose Nazi Holocaust policy but in effect adopted it as their own.[16]
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A combination of factors serves as an explanation for participation of some Lithuanians in genocide against Jews.[11] Those factors include national traditions and values, including antisemitism, common throughout contemporary Central Europe, and a more Lithuanian-specific desire for a "pure" Lithuanian nation-state with which the Jewish population was believed to be incompatible.[3]”

The Holocaust in Lithuania - Wikipedia

Litwin said:

"Soviet "liberation" of Prague" its a crime here in EU, but we have to punish harsher maskal - stalinist like you . it was the totalitarian Asiatic occupation , everyone knows it
"Ahead of the German invasion of Poland on 1 September, 1939 Germany and the Soviet Union agreed to carve up eastern Europe between them in a secret clause of the infamous Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact.

The USSR, allied with Nazi Germany, attacked Poland on September 17, 1939, and occupied part of its territory before Hitler launched a surprise attack against the Soviet Union on June 22, 1941.

Duda’s aide Krzysztof Szczerski suggested that invoking historical logic “in the context of September, 1939 is problematic,” adding Poland and its allies respected international law.

“Breaking these rules was the mark of the aggressors in 1939 and remains the biggest threat to peace today,” he was quoted as saying."


"Poland's decision not to invite the Russian delegation to WWII commemoration ceremony has to do with Russian aggression against Ukraine. Krzysztof Szczerski, chief advisor to the Polish president, stated in March 2019 that the anniversary ceremony will be held “in the company of countries with whom Poland now cooperates closely for peace based on the respect for international law, for the sovereignty of nations and of their territories”. This point was reiterated by Jacek Sasin, Polish deputy prime minister in July, who said: "I think it would be inappropriate to mark the anniversary of the beginning of the armed aggression against Poland with the participation of a leader who today treats his neighbours using the same methods."
Poland did not invite Putin to the WWII commemoration ceremony to disrupt Belarus-Russia relations - EU vs DISINFORMATION

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Hysterical rants about “Asians” just tend to prove my point bud.

The Molotov Ribbentrop Pact has absolutely nothing to do with “peace today”.

The EU thinks kicking Nazi Germany out of Eastern Europe was a crime? Got a source for that?

"Molotov Ribbentrop Pact has absolutely nothing to do with “peace today”. "

this about Stalinists like you
"EP calls to counter russia's attempts to whitewash Soviet crimes and rewrite history"
EP calls to counter Russia's attempts to whitewash Soviet crimes and rewrite history - LRT
https://eastwest.eu/en/opinions/riding-the-russian-rollercoaster/stalin-whitewashing

Litwin said:

"Molotov Ribbentrop Pact has absolutely nothing to do with “peace today”. "

this about Stalinists like you
"EP calls to counter russia's attempts to whitewash Soviet crimes and rewrite history"
EP calls to counter Russia's attempts to whitewash Soviet crimes and rewrite history - LRT
Stalin whitewashing

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Like I said before, people who celebrate Nazi collaborators have no room to whine about Stalin.

Wonder what the EP would say about your unhinged rants about Asians?

today Riga Latvia, great job brothers eace