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Color me Brexit confused.

Infinite Chaos said:
6 months is the same as "immediately?"

I'd ask for your English comprehension classes costs back if I were you.
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You're quite thick, aren't ya ?

When it comes to government? Are you under the assumption that things don't take time? Did Cameron not resign immediately? Or is a few hours after the results are known, not immediate enough for you? And after that do you not think preparations began to get underway? Contingencies? We're speaking about the god damn British here.

I mean, all your pettifogging and all your huff and puff, blub and bluster and you can't even comprehend all that goes into something as major as this? The time it would take, everything necessary to make that step 6 months down the road?

I'd get a refund on your civics lessons, if I were you...

:roll:
 
ChezC3 said:
I'm not too sure why people are just plain ass lying about the nature of the referendum. That is, how it was presented leading up to the vote.

Cameron said and I quote, "It is time for the British people to have their say, ...It is time to settle this European question in British politics. I say to the British people: this will be your decision."

Jun16 was the referendum and conveniently Nov16 was the court's decision that any referendum can only be advisory. After the fact. People leading up to that had thought it was mandatory, that's why 72% of the vote turned out.

It's disingenuous to say the least that you have a vote presented as a final say on the direction of your country and then after the vote you say, well, thanks for your opinion, we'll take it under advisement.
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Well, like with the Trump vote here, once people realized what they had just voted for and the actual consequences became more clear, they got cold feet about actually doing it.
 
ataraxia said:
Well, like with the Trump vote here, once people realized what they had just voted for and the actual consequences became more clear, they got cold feet about actually doing it.
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:yawn:
 
ChezC3 said:
You're quite thick, aren't ya ?

When it comes to government? Are you under the assumption that things don't take time? Did Cameron not resign immediately? Or is a few hours after the results are known, not immediate enough for you? And after that do you not think preparations began to get underway? Contingencies? We're speaking about the god damn British here.

I mean, all your pettifogging and all your huff and puff, blub and bluster and you can't even comprehend all that goes into something as major as this? The time it would take, everything necessary to make that step 6 months down the road?

I'd get a refund on your civics lessons, if I were you...

:roll:
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I think you need to consult a dictionary for the definition of immediate. Ad homes won't get you around poor comprehension of English language.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
I think you need to consult a dictionary for the definition of immediate. Ad homes won't get you around poor comprehension of English language.
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:yawn:


Nor will they get you around your incomprehension of civics...
 
ChezC3 said:
You're quite thick, aren't ya ?

When it comes to government? Are you under the assumption that things don't take time? Did Cameron not resign immediately? Or is a few hours after the results are known, not immediate enough for you? And after that do you not think preparations began to get underway? Contingencies? We're speaking about the god damn British here.

I mean, all your pettifogging and all your huff and puff, blub and bluster and you can't even comprehend all that goes into something as major as this? The time it would take, everything necessary to make that step 6 months down the road?

I'd get a refund on your civics lessons, if I were you...

:roll:
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The constitutionally sensible path for Cameron would have been to draw up a withdrawal from the EU bill and then presented a referendum on that as an option. What we got instead was a classic exemplar of what in the US would be decried as a Democratic 'Vote for Free Stuff' election (£250 million for the NHS, take back control etc.).

You seem kind of focussed on the 'immediately' concept, so how come 3 long years down the line all the UK can come up with to replace the backstop are still unspecified 'alternative arrangements'?

Brexit is like Bigfoot; cool concept, does not exist in the real world.
 
ChezC3 said:
:yawn:


Nor will they get you around your incomprehension of civics...
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You're just the kind of person who falls for Trump saying he'd lock Hilary up if he was in power or he was going to "build that wall" and "Mexico would pay for it."

Your slavish ignorance of facts means you are stupid enough to consider "immediately" to be a 6 month period.
 
Timeline provided by Wiki

2016
23 June: The UK holds a referendum on whether to leave the European Union. 51.9% of voters vote to leave.

24 June: David Cameron announces his resignation as Prime Minister.

13 July: Theresa May accepts the Queen's invitation to form a government. David Davis is appointed the newly created Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union to oversee withdrawal negotiations.

27 July: The European Commission nominates French politician Michel Barnier as European Chief Negotiator for the United Kingdom Exiting the European Union.

7 December: The UK House of Commons votes 461 to 89 in favour of Theresa May's plan to trigger Article 50 by the end of March 2017.


As the above timeline shows, everyone -- minus the intellectually dishonest -- would agree that the usage of the word "immediately" is correct.
 
ChezC3 said:
ChezC3 said:
~efforts began straight away to begin removing the UK from the EU...
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Timeline provided by Wiki

2016
23 June: The UK holds a referendum on whether to leave the European Union. 51.9% of voters vote to leave.

24 June: David Cameron announces his resignation as Prime Minister.

13 July: Theresa May accepts the Queen's invitation to form a government. David Davis is appointed the newly created Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union to oversee withdrawal negotiations.

27 July: The European Commission nominates French politician Michel Barnier as European Chief Negotiator for the United Kingdom Exiting the European Union.

7 December: The UK House of Commons votes 461 to 89 in favour of Theresa May's plan to trigger Article 50 by the end of March 2017.


As the above timeline shows, everyone -- minus the intellectually dishonest -- would agree that the usage of the word "immediately" is correct.
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Hoist by your own dull petard.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Hoist by your own dull petard.
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Uh huh, learning Shakespeare in school? Good.

Here's a little John Adams for you

Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.


That's just the way it is...:shrug:
 
ChezC3 said:
Uh huh, learning Shakespeare in school? Good.

Here's a little John Adams for you

Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.


That's just the way it is...:shrug:
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'A rose is a rose is a rose' - Gertrude Stein
 
ChezC3 said:
Uh huh, learning Shakespeare in school? Good.

Here's a little John Adams for you

Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.


That's just the way it is...:shrug:
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Well doesn't that just prove you don't understand the point of your own quote.

You've wasted my time with pointless flaming and ad Homs and you repeatedly proved you simply don't understand the mechanics of the Article 50 process. I'll say goodbye here, you may have the last insult but ironically, you will still make the same dull mistakes of comprehension as before.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
To return to discussion and debate: there's a growing feeling here the DUP may, for some extra billions be prepared to reconsider their opposition to the border being moved to the Irish Sea.

Northern Ireland largely voted to Remain - this will see that democratic result enabled.
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Rumors that bribe money will go into fertility programs that will cause Protestants to breed like rabbits, in this manner out-tbreeding Catholics and thus preventing Irish unification by demographic shift, remain, however, unconfirmed.

As yet.

As much as rumors of mugshots of Arlene being plastered everywhere by Sinn Fein, to contravene any such strategy. :mrgreen:
 
Chagos said:
Rumors that bribe money will go into fertility programs that will cause Protestants to breed like rabbits, in this manner out-tbreeding Catholics and thus preventing Irish unification by demographic shift, remain, however, unconfirmed.

As yet.
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Hehe

Chagos said:
As much as rumors of mugshots of Arlene being plastered everywhere by Sinn Fein, to contravene any such strategy. :mrgreen:
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Very cruel.
 
Sven Karma said:
The constitutionally sensible path for Cameron would have been to draw up a withdrawal from the EU bill and then presented a referendum on that as an option. What we got instead was a classic exemplar of what in the US would be decried as a Democratic 'Vote for Free Stuff' election (£250 million for the NHS, take back control etc.).

You seem kind of focussed on the 'immediately' concept, so how come 3 long years down the line all the UK can come up with to replace the backstop are still unspecified 'alternative arrangements'?

Brexit is like Bigfoot; cool concept, does not exist in the real world.
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Cameron didn't think he was leaving, as I said in another post, this was all due to his hubris. What happened? He stepped in it then immediately resigned and then immediately after Theresa May formed a government Davis was tapped to spearhead the exit. Which, by any and all accounts would be considered immediately taking action to leave the EU.

I'm not so much caught up on the immediacy thing you see, it's just that some people will go to ridiculous lengths to not have to face the fact that they are wrong in the most embarrassing way. For those types, I must really drive a point home.

Personally I don't think May was an honest actor, that or she was used as a patsy by those who aren't honest actors. She couldn't have bumbled the negotiations any worse than she did without it being evident that the whole thing is a charade.


As I've said also in a different post, I'm not opposed to the EU, only the EU in its current structure. I feel that they should have used the referendum as leverage for restructuring the EU. I do believe they would have gotten further had they insisted on remaining but only if certain conditions were met.

Infinite Chaos said:
Well doesn't that just prove you don't understand the point of your own quote.

You've wasted my time with pointless flaming and ad Homs and you repeatedly proved you simply don't understand the mechanics of the Article 50 process. I'll say goodbye here, you may have the last insult but ironically, you will still make the same dull mistakes of comprehension as before.
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I accept your unconditional and immediate surrender.

Take Care

:2wave:
 
We go from one clueless American to yet another clueless American.
 
Rogue Valley said:
We go from one clueless American to yet another clueless American.
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Sadly true. There are plenty more who will replace him - all self-proclaimed "experts" who think they know and whose intellectual discussion skills are to insult those who they cannot convince with their dull thinking.

Mind you, a few bad apples doesn't mean all of America can be judged by the poor quality apples we find here.
 
Sven Karma said:
'A rose is a rose is a rose' - Gertrude Stein
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God Save the Queen will be top of the charts in the UK the week of 27 October-2 November. You can put your bank on it.
 
Drawdown said:
God Save the Queen will be top of the charts in the UK the week of 27 October-2 November. You can put your bank on it.
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Why, are the Sex Pistols on tour?
 
So, some reports say that BoJo is considering a plan to keep Northern Ireland more closely aligned to the EU after Brexit, as an alternative to the current Irish backstop.

Not sure how that would work, but maybe it could?
 
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