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    Boris Johnson's Brexit backstop bid rejected by EU leaders

    Boris Johnson's Brexit backstop bid rejected by EU leaders

    Britain's new prime ministers wrote to European leaders suggesting Irish backstop position be removed from Brexit deal.



    8/20/19
    The European Union has rebuffed United Kingdom Prime Minister Boris Johnson's demand that it reopen a divorce deal about Britain's exit from the bloc, or Brexit, saying the country had failed to propose any realistic alternative to an agreed insurance policy for the Irish border. After more than three years of Brexit crisis, the UK is heading towards a showdown with the EU as Johnson has vowed to leave the bloc on October 31 without a deal unless it agrees to renegotiate the divorce terms. In his opening bid to the EU ahead of meetings with French President Emmanuel Macron and German Chancellor Angela Merkel, Johnson wrote a four-page letter to European Council President Donald Tusk asking to axe the Irish border "backstop". Johnson proposed that the backstop - part of the withdrawal agreement his predecessor, Theresa May, agreed last year - be replaced with a "commitment" to invent and implement an as-yet-unknown solution in an as-yet-undefined transition period as part of a post-Brexit relationship.

    "Those against the backstop and not proposing realistic alternatives in fact support re-establishing a border [between the Republic of Ireland, part of the EU, and Northern Ireland, which is part of the UK]. Even if they do not admit it," Tusk wrote on Twitter. A note seen by Reuters news agency setting out the agreed joint position of the 27 EU states staying on after Brexit said the bloc regretted Johnson's bid to scrap a "necessary, legally operative solution" in favour of a "commitment to try to find a solution". Jo Swinson, leader of the opposition Liberal Democrats, tweeted: "Boris is making demands he knows the EU will turn down so he can blame them for no-deal Brexit. He's set his sights on crashing us out without a deal, and we have to stop him." Jo Swinson, leader of the opposition Liberal Democrats, tweeted: "Boris is making demands he knows the EU will turn down so he can blame them for no-deal Brexit. He's set his sights on crashing us out without a deal, and we have to stop him." A diplomat from one EU country told Reuters that Johnson's letter was "pure PR" and not meant to spur constructive talks but rather set the stage for a "blame game" with the EU. The UK does not want any border - effective or virtual - between Britain and Northern Ireland. Johnson's government is propped up by Northern Irish unionists. The backstop was aimed at squaring the circle: it would keep the UK in a customs union with the EU until a better solution was found, and keep Northern Ireland aligned to the rules of the EU's single market. In his letter, Johnson wrote that the backstop was anti-democratic and threatened the UK's sovereignty as the application of single-market rules in Northern Ireland could divide the region from the rest of the UK.
    Predictable. Johnson is attempting to scapegoat the EU for his promised Brexit crash-out on October 31, even though former British PM Theresa May and the EU agreed on a Brexit deal.

    Related: E.U. slaps down Johnson’s opening gambit to renegotiate Brexit agreement


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    Re: Boris Johnson's Brexit backstop bid rejected by EU leaders

    Here's his letter in full.

    https://assets.publishing.service.go...onald_Tusk.pdf

    And tonight it appears a no-deal Brexit will cost jobs in our oil industries and make the UK reliant on Russian oil. You start to see (if you haven't before) why so many pro-Russia and pro-Putin posters here and trolls elsewhere online have been so "gung-ho" about no-deal.

    The American owned refinery in Wales is likely to be shut down - oil traditionally shipped to Ireland from there will now attract a 4.7% tariff as compared to what the Irish would pay another refinery within the EU.

    The current tariff on fuel imports from non-EU countries is 4.7%.However, under World Trade Organization (WTO) rules, a zero tariff rate must apply to petrol imports from all countries, opening up the UK to Russian fuel imports.
    At the same time, the EU has said it will apply a tariff, under WTO rules, of 4.7% to UK exports, making the trade with, for example, Ireland "uneconomical", according to insiders.
    While a flood of cheaper imports could initially mean lower fuel prices for consumers, the industry says relying on foreign suppliers will ultimately lead to higher prices.
    Some think an American trade deal may save the UK - is Trump going to subsidise oil for us so we can get it cheaper on the world market? More importantly, will the American Senate let a trade deal through that helps renege on the Good Friday Agreement???
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    Re: Boris Johnson's Brexit backstop bid rejected by EU leaders

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
    Boris Johnson's Brexit backstop bid rejected by EU leaders

    Britain's new prime ministers wrote to European leaders suggesting Irish backstop position be removed from Brexit deal.





    Predictable. Johnson is attempting to scapegoat the EU for his promised Brexit crash-out on October 31, even though former British PM Theresa May and the EU agreed on a Brexit deal.

    Related: E.U. slaps down Johnson’s opening gambit to renegotiate Brexit agreement
    So what? May tried to get her deal passed by Parliament three times, and three times she failed. A deal that can't be ratified isn't worth the paper it's written on. Face it... the Irish Backstop is a no-go. There's no way it can pass. And why should it? The UK had the referendum and the people decided... that's democracy. Regardless about how you feel about the outcome of the vote - and if I were a Brit, I would have voted to remain - the fact of the matter is that the majority voted to leave - it's neither fair nor right to simply ignore that outcome. Trying to have to both ways and insisting on a backstop effectively neuters the decision of the British public.
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    Re: Boris Johnson's Brexit backstop bid rejected by EU leaders

    Quote Originally Posted by Cordelier View Post
    So what? May tried to get her deal passed by Parliament three times, and three times she failed. A deal that can't be ratified isn't worth the paper it's written on.
    Where is Johnson's deal?

    Oh that's right, he doesn't have one beyond a crash-out. Brilliant.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cordelier View Post
    ~ Face it... the Irish Backstop is a no-go. There's no way it can pass. And why should it? ~
    Do you know what the "Back Stop" is and why it is needed by the EU? Why do you think most Irish Americans (especially those in Congress) will also be up in arms of the Good Friday Agreement is reneged upon?
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    Re: Boris Johnson's Brexit backstop bid rejected by EU leaders

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    Here's his letter in full.

    https://assets.publishing.service.go...onald_Tusk.pdf----------~
    load of prevaricating bluff-blustering bumpf as was to be expected (and as the EU no doubt did).

    Neatly ignoring that the backstop itself is designed as a means of supporting maintenance of the Good Friday agreement, rather than, as the chief liar now implies, undermining it.

    Of course the issue of an open back door to the EU as a whole is a valid EU concern just as much, yet its acknowledgement of (and respect for) its Irish member state's interests in this matter is misrepresented in the usual lying manner.

    If this were, say, Slovakia leaving, there'd simply be a hard border installed and be done with it all.

    Eire is truly going to love how Boris shafting them will be narrated (by him of course) as being down to EU-intransigence. No doubt large parts of the North are going to be equally enthusiastic.

    Outside, that is, of the DUP paleolithics who vigorously opposed the GFA anyway in its time.
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    Re: Boris Johnson's Brexit backstop bid rejected by EU leaders

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    Do you know what the "Back Stop" is and why it is needed by the EU? Why do you think most Irish Americans (especially those in Congress) will also be up in arms of the Good Friday Agreement is reneged upon?
    Come on... let's not overreact here. A "no deal" Brexit is hardly reneging on the Good Friday Agreement... though I agree there are diehards in both the Unionist and Republican camps will portray it as such. Let's keep this in perspective - reorganizing patterns of trade and economic relations is hardly a matter of life and death, wouldn't you agree?
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    Re: Boris Johnson's Brexit backstop bid rejected by EU leaders

    Quote Originally Posted by Cordelier View Post
    Come on... let's not overreact here. A "no deal" Brexit is hardly reneging on the Good Friday Agreement... though I agree there are diehards in both the Unionist and Republican camps will portray it as such. Let's keep this in perspective - reorganizing patterns of trade and economic relations is hardly a matter of life and death, wouldn't you agree?
    So you don't understand what the WTO consequences of a "no deal" are.
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    Re: Boris Johnson's Brexit backstop bid rejected by EU leaders

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    So you don't understand what the WTO consequences of a "no deal" are.
    nor, clearly, anything on the nature of the GFA and the effect a hard border (Eire/N.Ireland) would have on it.
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    Re: Boris Johnson's Brexit backstop bid rejected by EU leaders

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    So you don't understand what the WTO consequences of a "no deal" are.
    I understand what you "think" they are... and I also understand that worst-case scenarios rarely come to pass. They're good for scaring kids, though. Kids don't know any better.

    There's scope for agreement there if both sides are willing. Obviously a Customs Union isn't in the picture... but I'm sure a Free-Trade Agreement between the UK and EU could be negotiated consistent with WTO rules on regional trade agreements. Canada negotiated a Free Trade with the EU... so why not the UK?
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