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    Re: Nearly half of UK voters back no-deal Brexit and no PM Corbyn, poll finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Drawdown View Post
    Much to their credit, I have encountered several Brits who voted against Brexit who accepted that they lost, oppose a second referendum, and have believed all along that Brexit must happen not because they like the idea but because the referendum results mandated it.
    They must be morons then. The referendum was riddled with fraud, lies and Russian meddling to the tune of $10m. Had it not been merely advisory, the electoral oversight commission would have nullified it.
    The only other ""remainers" who feel as they do are Russian bots. Droog.
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    Re: Nearly half of UK voters back no-deal Brexit and no PM Corbyn, poll finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Chagos View Post
    I suppose I could repeat the first and the last sentence of post #42 here, but if it wasn't read (let alone understood) the first time round, not much point in wasting my time with that.

    That personal consideration may be seen as an aside by others, to me it ain't.
    Well, I guess there's nothing left to do but wish you the best of luck in your self-imposed irrelevancy.... and then get back to talking to people who actually want to debate.
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    Re: Nearly half of UK voters back no-deal Brexit and no PM Corbyn, poll finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    They must be morons then. The referendum was riddled with fraud, lies and Russian meddling to the tune of $10m. Had it not been merely advisory, the electoral oversight commission would have nullified it.
    The only other ""remainers" who feel as they do are Russian bots. Droog.
    LOL. Try again. American Robert Mercer did it for his buddy Nigel. Russia just makes a more convenient scapegoat.

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    Re: Nearly half of UK voters back no-deal Brexit and no PM Corbyn, poll finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Sven Karma View Post
    Really, there was no meaningful 'realistic offer' he could have made, simply because so much of the deal became tangled up in internal Tory politicking. At one point the not exactly natural bedfellows of the Trade Unions and the Confederation of British Industry issued a joint statement calling on May to get her **** sorted (I paraphrase). And I doubt either of them have been reassured by BoJo's performance so far.
    Again, what's the priority here? Is it to score political points and elect Corbyn as the next PM? Or is it to do what is best for the country and negotiate the best deal possible for both the EU and the UK? Because I look at the possibilities for a deal, and can see something like Ken Clarke's Customs Union proposal coming close to passage - it only failed by 3 votes in the second round of indicative votes. Are you telling me Corbyn couldn't have worked a deal to win passage of a modified version of Clarke's plan in exchange for supporting May on a meaningful vote?
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    Re: Nearly half of UK voters back no-deal Brexit and no PM Corbyn, poll finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    How so?
    Scotland narrowly voted against independence on the assurance Britain would stay in Europe.
    From Wikipedia...

    "The referendum question was "Should Scotland be an independent country?", which voters answered with "Yes" or "No". The "No" side won, with 2,001,926 (55.3%) voting against independence and 1,617,989 (44.7%) voting in favour. The turnout of 84.6% was the highest recorded for an election or referendum in the United Kingdom since the introduction of universal suffrage."

    In the Brexit referendum every district in Scotland voted to stay in the EU. Scotland on it's own would be disadvantaged for sure but Scotland in the EU? It's what the Scots want.
    I'd say it's a pretty safe bet Scotland is going to pack their **** and git.
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    Re: Nearly half of UK voters back no-deal Brexit and no PM Corbyn, poll finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    They must be morons then. The referendum was riddled with fraud, lies and Russian meddling to the tune of $10m. Had it not been merely advisory, the electoral oversight commission would have nullified it.
    The only other ""remainers" who feel as they do are Russian bots. Droog.
    I'm one of those who believe the referendum result should have been acted on - though I have also always added that the 2017 General Election was another "say" on Brexit as people were asked by Theresa May to give her a bigger mandate for Brexit and they didn't.
    Lies happened on both sides and that is the shame - we showed ourselves unfit to run a serious referendum and have doomed ourselves by not holding liars on all sides to account. As a nation, we say we take "democracy" seriously but we didn't. Democracy means not just majority voting but also that sometimes you don't get the result you want and sometimes you do.
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    Re: Nearly half of UK voters back no-deal Brexit and no PM Corbyn, poll finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Sven Karma View Post
    Really, there was no meaningful 'realistic offer' he could have made, simply because so much of the deal became tangled up in internal Tory politicking. At one point the not exactly natural bedfellows of the Trade Unions and the Confederation of British Industry issued a joint statement calling on May to get her **** sorted (I paraphrase). And I doubt either of them have been reassured by BoJo's performance so far.
    The line of questioning one gets to see here appears to want to establish the good guy in this whole shambles, by making the other the bad one.

    It's the sort of mindless partisanship one gets to see from many of our "cousins", in trying to establish that all fault lies with the "other side", that which one rejects.

    This extremely childish approach precludes any relevant analysis of the situation and thus, seeing how it encourages conclusions not based on pertinent perusal, is precisely as irrelevant as this poster accuses others of being.

    Both Corbyn and Johnson, let alone those constituting their parties, were and are slaves to their particular set of circumstances and the primary item of those was, is and will be their personal ambitions.

    The country itself, "this couldn't be done because they wouldn't do this", "they wouldn't do this because dem others did whatever", has long since become of secondary or even tertiary importance where argument on what developed is concerned.

    The far more relevant issue is the total disintegration of what once was a political class that functioned (however badly) and that disintegration spreads to the whole bunch. And all desires to make this guy or that guy (depending on one's myopic preferences) the less accountable, detract from the issue that really needs future address.

    That the whole shebang is a reflection of the whole nation's division is no excuse for those proclaiming to be leading, on the contrary, the spectacle of "constructive ambiguity" that we see with both Corby and Johnson is set to enhance that particular shambles. When a country has no alternatives to unprincipled dishonesty leading it, matters can only deteriorate further before they improve.

    With, on the principle of every country eventually getting the government it deserves, general pain for its people being the only catalyst that will work.

    And hopefully towards a path that won't tear a leaf from the Weimar book.
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    Re: Nearly half of UK voters back no-deal Brexit and no PM Corbyn, poll finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Cordelier View Post
    Again, what's the priority here? Is it to score political points and elect Corbyn as the next PM? Or is it to do what is best for the country and negotiate the best deal possible for both the EU and the UK? Because I look at the possibilities for a deal, and can see something like Ken Clarke's Customs Union proposal coming close to passage - it only failed by 3 votes in the second round of indicative votes. Are you telling me Corbyn couldn't have worked a deal to win passage of a modified version of Clarke's plan in exchange for supporting May on a meaningful vote?
    Perhaps he should've, but since as you note these were merely 'indicative votes' rather than anything actually binding on the government, I doubt that the success of Ken Clarke's proposal would actually have made any material difference to developments between then and now, apart from intensifying even further the Brexiter rhetoric of 'collaborators' and 'enemies of the people'.
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    Re: Nearly half of UK voters back no-deal Brexit and no PM Corbyn, poll finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Checkerboard Strangler View Post
    I'd say it's a pretty safe bet Scotland is going to pack their **** and git.
    Maybe they can find a surviving heir to the Bonnie Prince and be done with the Germans in Windsor Castle too.
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    Re: Nearly half of UK voters back no-deal Brexit and no PM Corbyn, poll finds

    title should read English and Welsh back no deal brexit meanwhile mass majority of Scots wish to remain in the EU and same goes for N Ireland the break up will soon begin

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    Maybe they can find a surviving heir to the Bonnie Prince and be done with the Germans in Windsor Castle too.
    no more Royals thank you in Scotland soon after leaving we will become a republic
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