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UK faces food and fuel shortages in no-deal Brexit, says leaked plan

Infinite Chaos said:
And why will the EU welcome US goods from the UK if we are out of the Common market?



You REALLY don't know what trading blocs are do you and why different countries might agree to work together for mutual benefit?

Do you think you live in a world where other countries agreeing to co-operate is just a personal insult against the United States? Sorry for you!

All this time, I thought you were just pretending with your anti-EU posts.
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Quite

US goods imported to the UK, to be reexported to the EU would have EU tariffs on the US goods applied.

Canada is not going to be allowed to export EU goods to the US, despite our FTA with both countries
 
Infinite Chaos said:
And why will the EU welcome US goods from the UK if we are out of the Common market?

~snipped the nonsense and personal attack~
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Does the EU have a trade agreement with the UK that prevents the UK from selling US goods to the EU? You know...something like the US has with the USMCA?

The EU will accept goods from the UK...or, do you think trade between the UK and the EU will stop when the UK leaves the EU?
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Quite

US goods imported to the UK, to be reexported to the EU would have EU tariffs on the US goods applied.

Canada is not going to be allowed to export EU goods to the US, despite our FTA with both countries
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So...what "trading bloc" is a "Brexited" UK part of? It won't be part of the EU anymore. Does the EU have a trade agreement with the UK in which they both agree that US goods entering the EU will be subject to tariffs?
 
Mycroft said:
So...what "trading bloc" is a "Brexited" UK part of? It won't be part of the EU anymore. Does the EU have a trade agreement with the UK in which they both agree that US goods entering the EU will be subject to tariffs?
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If the US has a trade deal with the UK but not the EU, goods can enter the UK without tariffs but not be reexported to the EU. That is a standard requirement in FTA's

Just as NAFTA 2 has conditions that state that goods Canada imports from the EU, in which Canada has a FTA can not be reexported to the US without having US tariffs applied. The only exception is if the good was a part used in manufacturing that still allowed the final good to meet % Nafta manufactured requirements.


IE piston rings made in Europe being used to manufacture an engine in Canada. The engine can be exported to the US without tariffs because the Nafta content % would be met. Canada could not import the engine from the EU, then reexport it to the US, without that engine facing tariffs. Misrepresenting the content % on export paperwork would be considered fraud

A rather simple concept.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
If the US has a trade deal with the UK but not the EU, goods can enter the UK without tariffs but not be reexported to the EU. That is a standard requirement in FTA's
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What FTA are you talking about?

Just as NAFTA 2 has conditions that state that goods Canada imports from the EU, in which Canada has a FTA can not be reexported to the US without having US tariffs applied. The only exception is if the good was a part used in manufacturing that still allowed the final good to meet % Nafta manufactured requirements.


IE piston rings made in Europe being used to manufacture an engine in Canada. The engine can be exported to the US without tariffs because the Nafta content % would be met. Canada could not import the engine from the EU, then reexport it to the US, without that engine facing tariffs. Misrepresenting the content % on export paperwork would be considered fraud

A rather simple concept.
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Yes, in spite of it's faults, NAFTA was a simple agreement. Now...show a similar agreement between the UK and the EU.
 
Rogue Valley said:
UK faces food and fuel shortages in no-deal Brexit, says leaked plan | CNN

The Sunday Times obtained documents showing that Britain will face shortages if it leaves the European Union without a transition deal.

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This is the [ignored] reality.

Related: Leaked Documents Show UK Faces Food, Fuel And Drugs Shortages In No-Deal Brexit
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As always, total hypocrisy and ranting in exact opposite directions at the same time.

This solves the Democratic Party's sobbing over China not buy American agricultural products, doesn't it? We'll just sell it to our UK ally instead. And only a true fool does not understand the USA could provide everyone the world with prescription drugs. Lots and lots of drugs. All the natural gas, oil and coal the UK needs too.

This could work out GREAT for the USA - so of course most Democrats will hate the idea of selling to our allies rather than China, given the Democrats love of Chinese child slave-labor sweatshop products because it saves them a dollar - and a dollar saves is infinitely more important to most white progressives than a non-white child lost.
 
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Mycroft said:
And that pessimistic article you trotted out is nonsense. For example, it doesn't matter if the US is a bigger country than the UK. The two countries can still make a deal that benefits both...and they will. Furthermore, a deal between the UK and the US will enable the US to export goods...through the UK...into the EU with no restrictions or tariffs. That's a win for everyone...except the EU, of course.
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Mycroft said:
What FTA are you talking about?



Yes, in spite of it's faults, NAFTA was a simple agreement. Now...show a similar agreement between the UK and the EU.
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The one you were expecting in bold

OR was that no you who typed it?
 
Mycroft said:
Does the EU have a trade agreement with the UK that prevents the UK from selling US goods to the EU? You know...something like the US has with the USMCA?
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US goods can be sold within the EU - subject to tariffs. If the UK imports Apple computers (for example) made in the US to sell in France then those computers have a tariff applied. It's the point of a trading bloc. By the way, there was no personal attack - the concept of a trading bloc seems to be something you disagree with almost on a personal level or simply don't understand.

Mycroft said:
~ The EU will accept goods from the UK...or, do you think trade between the UK and the EU will stop when the UK leaves the EU?
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The UK will trade with the EU. If there is no agreement then tariffs will apply and if there is an agreement then tariffs don't apply. This is all under WTO rules on favoured nation rules.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
US goods can be sold within the EU - subject to tariffs. If the UK imports Apple computers (for example) made in the US to sell in France then those computers have a tariff applied. It's the point of a trading bloc. By the way, there was no personal attack - the concept of a trading bloc seems to be something you disagree with almost on a personal level or simply don't understand.



The UK will trade with the EU. If there is no agreement then tariffs will apply and if there is an agreement then tariffs don't apply. This is all under WTO rules on favoured nation rules.
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At this point, any trade rules concerning the UK are established by the EU conditions. But when the UK leaves the EU, those rules no longer apply. They'll need new rules.

Unless you condone the EU slapping tariffs on the UK. (who knows...they might do that, eh?)
 
Mycroft said:
At this point, any trade rules concerning the UK are established by the EU conditions. But when the UK leaves the EU, those rules no longer apply. They'll need new rules.

Unless you condone the EU slapping tariffs on the UK. (who knows...they might do that, eh?)
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The UK when it leaves the EU will have tariffs applied to it. Standard EU tariffs, the same ones the US faces for exporting to the EU, the same ones that Canada used to face for exporting to the EU (we now have a FTA with the EU.

That is the point of negotiating Brexit. No deal means the UK has the same tariffs that the majority of countries that trade with the EU face. Depending on the deal that may or may not be reached, no tariffs might be applied on UK goods.

Now on the flip side, EU goods to the UK will likely face tariffs. I expect the UK will have a tariff schedule (or does) that will be applied to countries trading with it. That would include the EU

That is one reason the UK is likely to face food and fuel shortages. The UK has not hired the custom agents to process the importation of goods that come in from the EU. When 1000 trucks might currently pass into the UK (wild estimate used only as an example) on a daily basis, after Brexit with no deal and without a large hiring binge, perhaps half that number gets through on a daily basis. The processing of recording what duties need to be applied, inspections of the goods has to be increased etc.


So yes the UK with no deal on Brexit, will have tariffs applied on its goods shipped to the EU that is a given. EU goods will have tariffs applied on goods shipped to the UK.
 
Mycroft said:
At this point, any trade rules concerning the UK are established by the EU conditions. But when the UK leaves the EU, those rules no longer apply. They'll need new rules.

Unless you condone the EU slapping tariffs on the UK. (who knows...they might do that, eh?)
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Have you ever had paid for gym membership? Would you expect that if you were a member of an exclusive gym and left that you could walk back in at any stage and use the facilities free of charge while other members kept their payments up?

The UK can't leave with a no-deal and expect to trade as if they hadn't. The UK voted to leave and there are consequences that Leave voters have only just begun to realise.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Have you ever had paid for gym membership? Would you expect that if you were a member of an exclusive gym and left that you could walk back in at any stage and use the facilities free of charge while other members kept their payments up?

The UK can't leave with a no-deal and expect to trade as if they hadn't. The UK voted to leave and there are consequences that Leave voters have only just begun to realise.
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This is true. But it works both ways.

In any case, that's why Trump and Johnson have their people talking about a trade deal between the US and the UK. Like I said...Johnson has it covered.
 
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Mycroft said:
~ But it works both ways ~
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Such as?

Mycroft said:
~ Trump and Johnson have their people talking about a trade deal between the US and the UK. Like I said...Johnson has it covered.
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Those talks started previously with Liam Fox organising. If a fair deal is agreed, I am all for it but I have grave doubts under an "America first" policy that we are not simply going to prostitute ourselves and become a trade vassal of the US. Ironically, that really is the dictatorship that "Brexit" was supposed to be against.
 
WCH said:
We're talking about the EU itself.
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A socialist organization of countries without even one socialist country as a member? How does that work?
 
WCH said:
You want to be run by a group of shady un-elected bureaucrats (the European commission), who have virtually unlimited power over the entire European continent, you go for it. It will fail and take you down with it.
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Unlimited power, lol. You know nothing about Europe.
 
zyzygy said:
A socialist organization of countries without even one socialist country as a member? How does that work?
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When pursuit of logic is not the primary concern, considering its lack isn't either.

"Cousins" of that particular ilk neither care about Europe nor know anything about it anyway. Their primary goal in contaminating this forum with their totally irrelevant (to the topic) rants is basically to infest this forum with the partisan stupidity that they so love engaging in "at home".

IOW best left to their little world without the interference of actual response.
 
Chagos said:
When pursuit of logic is not the primary concern, considering its lack isn't either.

"Cousins" of that particular ilk neither care about Europe nor know anything about it anyway. Their primary goal in contaminating this forum with their totally irrelevant (to the topic) rants is basically to infest this forum with the partisan stupidity that they so love engaging in "at home".

IOW best left to their little world without the interference of actual response.
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I've noticed that not a few Americans here who comment on Europe know nothing about the place.
 
zyzygy said:
I've noticed that not a few Americans here who comment on Europe know nothing about the place.
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Yet they call the EU 'fascist' and 'corrupt', qualities such Americans otherwise appear to espouse rather than condemn.
 
Sven Karma said:
Yet they call the EU 'fascist' and 'corrupt', qualities such Americans otherwise appear to espouse rather than condemn.
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It's quite apparent which Americans engage in such tactics. Those that tacitly/overtly support Trump and Trumpism. Generally, they are also apologists of the Putin regime.
 
Rogue Valley said:
It's quite apparent which Americans engage in such tactics. Those that tacitly/overtly support Trump and Trumpism. Generally, they are also apologists of the Putin regime.
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Fanbois, bless 'em. They just love that state of uncritical adulation of adored leader. Prob'ly some murky Freudian Oedipus complex thing going on, but I don't get paid enough to figure out why every rando on the internet thinks the bizarro way they do.
 
Sven Karma said:
Fanbois, bless 'em. They just love that state of uncritical adulation of adored leader. Prob'ly some murky Freudian Oedipus complex thing going on, but I don't get paid enough to figure out why every rando on the internet thinks the bizarro way they do.
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With such Americans, it ultimately usually boils down to the changing demographics of America. They can't let go of the white majority mentality and Trump promises them a return to the America they grew up in. MAGA
 
Can’t wait for a Trump admired, Boris Johnson hard Brexit. We can watch Britain go down the tubes, into typical conservative response to economic crisis with policies of austerity, privatization and deregulation. Fails every time. We still have another 16 mos. of Trump Amexit from the world and his applying austerity to those with the least, privatizing profit, and deregulation to the point of being punitive.
 
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