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UK faces food and fuel shortages in no-deal Brexit, says leaked plan

PeteEU said:
Apologies I miss read. No there is a group who chose freely to join the Euro.

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And THAT, imo, is what doomed the EU.

As Clinton once said, "Its the economy, stupid."

You had a bunch of countries using the same currency, ergo controlling its value by their actions...but NOT have uniform economic and monetary policy.
 
Rogue Valley said:
UK faces food and fuel shortages in no-deal Brexit, says leaked plan | CNN
The Sunday Times obtained documents showing that Britain will face shortages if it leaves the European Union without a transition deal.
This is the [ignored] reality.
Related: Leaked Documents Show UK Faces Food, Fuel And Drugs Shortages In No-Deal Brexit
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It seems to be more like a last-ditch effort by the British liberal media to stop Brexit.


... "But the document that has appeared in the Sunday Times was an attempt in the past to work out what the very, very worst situation would be, so we could take steps to mitigate that.

"And we have taken steps, not just to deal with some of the risks, but also to make sure that our economy and our country are better placed than ever to leave the EU on 31 October."

... A Number 10 source pointed the finger of blame at an unnamed former minister, saying it was "from when ministers were blocking what needed to be done to get ready to leave and the funds were not available".

Gibraltar's Chief Minister Fabian Picardo said the references to the territory's no-deal planning were "out of date" and based on "planning for worst case scenarios which the government has already dealt with".

Michael Gove admits no-deal would cause 'bumps in the road' but says concerns exaggerated | Politics News | Sky News
 
Barnacle said:
It seems to be more like a last-ditch effort by the British liberal media to stop Brexit.
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As usual, you are well out of your depth.

The leaked documents are from Operation Yellowhammer, a British government study.
 
"British liberal media" except the fact I'm almost certain I've heard conservative former-PMs trashing No-Deal Brexit like any sane, moderate, normal person would do
 
KevinKohler said:
And THAT, imo, is what doomed the EU.

As Clinton once said, "Its the economy, stupid."

You had a bunch of countries using the same currency, ergo controlling its value by their actions...but NOT have uniform economic and monetary policy.
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Which is perfectly fine. The EU provides a stable currency in which the country can form its governmental and economic policies. That allows for lower interest rates as the risk of currency devaluation is much lower, so the only risk is default. Countries that have good economic policies can thrive, those that do not suffer. They would of course suffer more outside of the Euro than they do outside it. Greece, Ireland, Spain etc all borrowed too much money, they were not forced to borrow at low interest rates, they choose to. The only thing the Euro has that can be a negative is that the interest rate to borrow from it can be too low for some areas, and too high for others. The same can be said for the US, in which some states could use stimulus while others could benefit from higher rates to slow things down. It is the same in Canada. Alberta could use lower rates, while Toronto would be better off with higher rates
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Which is perfectly fine. The EU provides a stable currency in which the country can form its governmental and economic policies. That allows for lower interest rates as the risk of currency devaluation is much lower, so the only risk is default. Countries that have good economic policies can thrive, those that do not suffer. They would of course suffer more outside of the Euro than they do outside it. Greece, Ireland, Spain etc all borrowed too much money, they were not forced to borrow at low interest rates, they choose to. The only thing the Euro has that can be a negative is that the interest rate to borrow from it can be too low for some areas, and too high for others. The same can be said for the US, in which some states could use stimulus while others could benefit from higher rates to slow things down. It is the same in Canada. Alberta could use lower rates, while Toronto would be better off with higher rates
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Poor policy, however, can, and did, result in devalued currency. Which hurts everyone using it, regardless of country.
 
Barnacle said:
Barnacle said:
It seems to be more like a last-ditch effort by the British liberal media to stop Brexit.


... "But the document that has appeared in the Sunday Times was an attempt in the past to work out what the very, very worst situation would be, so we could take steps to mitigate that.

"And we have taken steps, not just to deal with some of the risks, but also to make sure that our economy and our country are better placed than ever to leave the EU on 31 October."

... A Number 10 source pointed the finger of blame at an unnamed former minister, saying it was "from when ministers were blocking what needed to be done to get ready to leave and the funds were not available".

Gibraltar's Chief Minister Fabian Picardo said the references to the territory's no-deal planning were "out of date" and based on "planning for worst case scenarios which the government has already dealt with".

Michael Gove admits no-deal would cause 'bumps in the road' but says concerns exaggerated | Politics News | Sky News
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As usual, you reply to a post without reading past the first sentence ... :lol:
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OK, so what are you trying to say beyond the first sentence? Please be clear. The report referred to was compiled by Boris Johnson's govt - meaning in the last few weeks.

If anyone knows what the true damage of a no-deal Brexit are - it's the hard right Conservative architects of the plan who have friends in hedge-funds and financial services who stand to benefit and are making billions against their own and our country.

Thankfully delaying the financial crash of Brexit has actually harmed the parasites who place bets on EU economies crashing.
 
WCH said:
Isn't that how Socialist regimes [EU] historically treat people who don't agree with them?
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You think the EU is socialist?? :lamo
 
Felis Leo said:
Perhaps. But I cannot imagine that if it is pursuant to a free trade deal it will be all that much more unfavorable to the UK than the terms they were under when they were buying agriculture produce from the Dutch and French among others.



True. But nevertheless, they as a country voted to jump out of the plane. And out they shall go whether they grabbed a functioning parachute or not. :shrug:

The British people had no say as to the terms that the EU were going to give them upon their intended departure, which, by all accounts, were as harsh and unfavorable as possible to prevent other countries from wishing to leave.
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The deal negotiated between the UK and EU was dictated by Theresa May's red lines, not EU sour grapes.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
OK, so what are you trying to say beyond the first sentence? Please be clear.
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It's just another one of the many tedious examples, where one of our "cousins" is triggered by paranoid perception of "liberal", causing them to spout off on matters they are absolutely clueless over in any and every other aspect.

In that extreme ignorance of issues beyond their front garden fence, falling prey to the delusion that every other country is organized along the same narrow-minded and stupid partisanship that large sections of the US are prone to.

As stated by someone else already, completely out of their depth the moment they venture out of their small safe space of galloping inexperience on matters foreign and, like those screaming "socialism" at any opportunity, indeed an extreme annoyance to the Europe forum and any other thinking poster therein.

The report referred to was compiled by Boris Johnson's govt - meaning in the last few weeks.
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Oh dear, facts.

If anyone knows what the true damage of a no-deal Brexit are - it's the hard right Conservative architects of the plan who have friends in hedge-funds and financial services who stand to benefit and are making billions against their own and our country.

Thankfully delaying the financial crash of Brexit has actually harmed the parasites who place bets on EU economies crashing.
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Oh dear, more facts.

:mrgreen:
 
Aristaeus said:
The deal negotiated between the UK and EU was dictated by Theresa May's red lines, not EU sour grapes.
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....aaaaaaand (not addressed at you but at those who need it to be constantly repeated) was and will be (in whatever form) the divorce contract.

Nothing in the least to do with future trade and other political relations which, despite May's repeated but failed attempts to marry those into the divorce deal, are to be agreed once the divorce is settled.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
OK, so what are you trying to say beyond the first sentence? Please be clear. The report referred to was compiled by Boris Johnson's govt - meaning in the last few weeks. ...
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The report seems to lay out the worst case scenario which the media touts as that-will-actually-happen. If the government is aware of those problems, don't you think they will also look for solutions to dampen or avoid the impact of these possible problems before they actually happen?

The liberal media in the UK is no different from ours: doom and gloom predictions for anything that doesn't comply with the progressives' mantra.
 
Barnacle said:
The report seems to lay out the worst case scenario which the media touts as that-will-actually-happen. If the government is aware of those problems, don't you think they will also look for solutions to dampen or avoid the impact of these possible problems before they actually happen?

The liberal media in the UK is no different from ours: doom and gloom predictions for anything that doesn't comply with the progressives' mantra.
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They can try and they could

If a no deal exit is what happens the UK government will have to have extra boarder guards, inspectors and admin to handle paperwork and duty processing. They have not done that to my knowledge at this point in time. We are talking about 2 months of time left to get all the hiring and process's in place. Unlikely to occur in just two months

So if it is a no deal expect a postponement on the UK side to enforce the duties and inspections from the EU until they do get the hiring done and process's in place
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
They can try and they could

If a no deal exit is what happens the UK government will have to have extra boarder guards, inspectors and admin to handle paperwork and duty processing. They have not done that to my knowledge at this point in time. We are talking about 2 months of time left to get all the hiring and process's in place. Unlikely to occur in just two months

So if it is a no deal expect a postponement on the UK side to enforce the duties and inspections from the EU until they do get the hiring done and process's in place
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I'm sure the Brits will overcome that "obstacle".

BTW, it's good to know that we have a British parliament insider on this board.
 
Barnacle said:
I'm sure the Brits will overcome that "obstacle".

BTW, it's good to know that we have a British parliament insider on this board.
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It is what the UK says is a significant issue that a no deal brexit presents to the UK. It is an obvious issue that has been reported on for quite a while

Certainly the UK can overcome it, it is just that they have not done any know actions to do so up until this moment in time. It does not look like the UK is doing anything to overcome it from what is has announced.
 
Barnacle said:
The report seems to lay out the worst case scenario which the media touts as that-will-actually-happen.
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No, the report has been treated seriously here as it is an ongoing report that the govt has been writing since Brexit became a possibility. This latest version was written in the Johnson regime and is written BY the govt. Unless you can provide examples of where the British press have said the worst case is what is going to happen?

Barnacle said:
If the government is aware of those problems, don't you think they will also look for solutions to dampen or avoid the impact of these possible problems before they actually happen?
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You really seriously typed that?

Barnacle said:
The liberal media in the UK is no different from ours: doom and gloom predictions for anything that doesn't comply with the progressives' mantra.
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Conspiracy forum is over that way ->
 
More idiots duped by Russian trolls to vote for Brexit. What a complete disaster for England, they are going to be screwed
 
PeteEU said:
Lol calling the EU socialist is hilarious... You mean the Conservative run EU who promotes the free market and so on...is now suddenly socialist because the UK is run by idiots?

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Call them what you will, they are still oppressing their challengers. Looks like they have a new Socialist speaker.
 
WCH said:
Call them what you will, they are still oppressing their challengers. Looks like they have a new Socialist speaker.
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The EU is oppressing the UK?

In what way? The UK wants to leave the EU is not stopping it, the UK asked multiple times to postpone leaving and the EU accepted each and every time. I do not see oppression on the EU part
 
WCH said:
Call them what you will, they are still oppressing their challengers. Looks like they have a new Socialist speaker.
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Eh? How exactly are they oppressing their challengers?

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WCH said:
Call them what you will, they are still oppressing their challengers. Looks like they have a new Socialist speaker.
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The EU Parliament has little say to the direction or larger decision-making of the EU. It cannot even propose its own bills. It simply serves to represent EU citizens and act as a check upon the European Commission's legislative proposals.

Instead the two key groups of the EU are the European Council and the European Commission.

The European Council is all of the European Heads of States, the President of the European Council (selected from amongst HoS) and the President of the EU Commission.
The EU Commission is the "executive branch" and the main driver of EU policy at behest of the European Council.

... and since the majority of European states are lead by Conservative, Christian Conservative and Center-Right governments, the European Council and Commission are as well lead by the center-right.

Lord Tammerlain said:
The EU is oppressing the UK? In what way? The UK wants to leave the EU is not stopping it, the UK asked multiple times to postpone leaving and the EU accepted each and every time. I do not see oppression on the EU part
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The EU is neither oppressing the UK, nor does the UK have the unfettered freedom to leave the union.

The actual truth of the matter is that the UK's economic livelihood is completely dependent on its inclusion in the EU's common market.

Therefore the EU has been using that unspoken fact to force deep strategic concessions that which almost guarantee that the UK will only ever "leave" the EU in name only.
 
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