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In Looming Brexit Clash, U.K. Constitution Could Be the Loser

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In Looming Brexit Clash, U.K. Constitution Could Be the Loser | The New York Times

The worry of some scholars is that Britain’s mishmash of laws and customs can no longer restrain lawmakers bent on engaging in Constitutional chicanery.

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Prime Minister Boris Johnson, center, has vowed to pull the country out of the European Union by Oct. 31, “do or die.”

8/14/19
LONDON — What if Britain’s Parliament voted to remove Prime Minister Boris Johnson from office and he refused to leave, igniting a constitutional crisis? This is not some far-fetched theory. The possibility of Mr. Johnson refusing to step down was reported to have been raised recently by his top deputy and strategist, Dominic Cummings. As the country girds for Parliament’s return in September, only one thing seems certain: The confused and chaotic Brexit process promises to plunge Britain into new unknowns as an Oct. 31 deadline for leaving the European Union bears down. The British political system may yet withstand the tumult. But scholars say it has been more than a century since the country’s constitution — a medley of laws and customs, many but not all of them written — has come under such strain. “I think this is an entirely new constitutional situation,” said Robert Saunders, a historian at Queen Mary University of London. “The British haven’t thought it necessary to think seriously about the constitution for quite a long time.” Suddenly, armchair constitutional theorizing is in vogue. “King Charles lost his head by flouting the constitution,” former foreign secretary Mr. Malcolm Rifkind wrote. “Mr. Johnson will wish to keep his, while some around him are, clearly, losing theirs.”

It all begins with signals from some lawmakers that when Parliament reconvenes in September, it will pass a vote of no confidence in Mr. Johnson’s government, based on his intention to pull Britain out of the European Union by Oct. 31, “do or die,” deal or no deal. Traditionally, that would stop a government in its tracks. These days, lawmakers have 14 days after such a vote to try to put together a new government. If they cannot, the prime minister is then supposed to call a general election. But as Mr. Cummings has let it be known, even if a rival were to attract enough support to form a government, the prime minister could legally call for a general election and refuse to vacate Downing Street. Under Mr. Cummings’ scenario, Mr. Johnson could sit tight and schedule an election for after Brexit, sending the country crashing out of the European Union on Oct. 31 and in the middle of a campaign. At this point, constitutional experts say, the queen could conceivably step in and dismiss Mr. Johnson, using her “reserve prerogative power.” “It’s uncharted waters,” Mr. Saunders said. “It’s always been assumed the government wouldn’t put her in a position to make a politically contentious decision. But that looks like it may change.”

The NYT suggests that the documents below could play a crucial role in how things play out from here to October 31 and beyond.

Related: Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011

General Election Guidance 2017
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Boris doesn't have much of a choice does he? The EU has signaled that May's last deal was their final position. Parliament rejected it. So unless Parliament changes its position, a Hard Brexit is inevitable. Turns out the Irish backstop was more important to the UK than the EU.
 
Boris doesn't have much of a choice does he? The EU has signaled that May's last deal was their final position.

I guess to Boris mind they will be willing to budge to avoid the economic damage that a no deal brexit would cause on their end.
 
I guess to Boris mind they will be willing to budge to avoid the economic damage that a no deal brexit would cause on their end.

Any optimism on the part of the British that there could be a better deal had just completely ignores that the EU has far more to gain by crushing the UK than have to deal with half a dozen more exits. They were going to be made examples of from the beginning to stop the move on the continent away from the union.
 
I guess to Boris mind they will be willing to budge to avoid the economic damage that a no deal brexit would cause on their end.

UK and the US are working on a trade deal that should be approved November 1st.

Go Donald!
Go Boris!
 
In Looming Brexit Clash, U.K. Constitution Could Be the Loser | The New York Times

The worry of some scholars is that Britain’s mishmash of laws and customs can no longer restrain lawmakers bent on engaging in Constitutional chicanery.

merlin_159222132_25f07cce-539f-4996-bdc3-ae4059d1cabc-articleLarge.jpg

Prime Minister Boris Johnson, center, has vowed to pull the country out of the European Union by Oct. 31, “do or die.”

The NYT suggests that the documents below could play a crucial role in how things play out from here to October 31 and beyond.


Related: Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011

General Election Guidance 2017
(pdf)
Saw that yesterday, and it's interesting stuff. You'd think the Brits would have enough sense to see the problems we have with our Trump, before they make the error of invoking a Trump of their own. I guess Churchill had it right, when he proclaimed we were:

"two countries divided by a common language"
 
IMO Johnson is doing the right thing. :yes:

Parliament had 3 years to work things out, including a 1 year extension, and they didn't because the remainers on both sides kept trying for unreasonable ties to the EU despite the popular vote.

I admire Johnson for saying what he intended to do when he ran for the office, and sticking to it when he became Prime Minister. What more should anyone expect?
 
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Johnson never told the people he would lock out Parliament.
 
It all begins with signals from some lawmakers that when Parliament reconvenes in September, it will pass a vote of no confidence in Mr. Johnson’s government, based on his intention to pull Britain out of the European Union by Oct. 31, “do or die,” deal or no deal.

At this point, constitutional experts say, the queen could conceivably step in and dismiss Mr. Johnson, using her “reserve prerogative power.” “It’s uncharted waters,” Mr. Saunders said. “It’s always been assumed the government wouldn’t put her in a position to make a politically contentious decision. But that looks like it may change.”

Britain has no written constitution but the monarch plays a major part in the constitutional process. I guess Theresa May was dismissed by the Queen due to her inability to govern and the men in grey suits acted accordingly to remove her.

According to the Sunday Times, the source said the Queen expressed her disappointment in the current political class and its “inability to govern”.

She made the comments at a private event shortly after David Cameron’s resignation following the referendum.

The “impeccable” source said her frustration has only grown in the years since.

The source said: “I think she’s really dismayed. I’ve heard her talking about her disappointment in the current political class and its inability to govern correctly.”

They added: “She expressed her exasperation and frustration about the quality of our political leadership, and that frustration will only have grown.”

The bombshell disclosure comes amid claims Prime Minister Boris Johnson would refuse to quit if he lost a confidence vote in the House of Commons.

Queen news: Queen breaks her most sacred rule for first time in her 67 years as monarch | Royal | News | Express.co.uk
 
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IMO Johnson is doing the right thing.

Parliament had 3 years to work things out, including a 1 year extension, and they didn't because the remainers on both sides kept trying for unreasonable ties to the EU despite the popular vote.

I admire Johnson for saying what he intended to do when he ran for the office, and sticking to it when he became Prime Minister. What more should anyone expect?

How about a bit of truth for starters? You repeat a common lie by blaming the Remain minded politicians and people but you handily ignore. I'm also worried that you seem to put faith in a politician who is a proven liar and who has been sacked by his employers for lying.

1) Theresa May called a General Election in 2017 asking the British People to give her a bigger mandate for Brexit. They didn't.
2) Leave MPs had every chance to put forward their own proposals when Parliament took over at the start of the year. They didn't.
3) Leave MPs had every chance to put forward their own leadership candidate in 2015 after Cameron stood down. They fluffed it by stabbing each other in the back.

~ I guess Theresa May was dismissed by the Queen ~

Parliament defeated her 3 times and she realised her own party was against her. She went and asked the Queen to submit her resignation. All factual, all on record and film.
 
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