• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Boris Johnson is the New UK PM

Chagos said:
In your habit of dishonest posting you claim the second link to have been from the Guardian, while it is in fact from what has already been aptly described in post # 343.

This appears to be the essence of anyone on here (or elsewhere) in his/their attempts to champion Brexit, that they simply have to lie their heads off and all of the time at that.
Click to expand...

Nope, I never said no such thing. Nice try though. :roll:
 
Sven Karma said:
Lol, a report prepared by Netwealth's 'chief economic strategist', who just happens to be "Co-Founder of Economists for Brexit and is co-author of Clean Brexit" and a "former Chief Economic adviser to Boris Johnson" Gerard Lyons, Author at BrexitCentral

'nuff said.
Click to expand...

Hmm, the link supplied says it is "Investment Week". Are you saying what it says is not true? :)
 
Phoenix One UK said:
Nope, I never said no such thing. Nice try though. :roll:
Click to expand...
Thanks for confirming once again what a dishonest poster you are
Phoenix One UK said:
Brexit triumph: London to become 'business centre of Europe' in blow to Brussels

Brexit news: London to become 'business centre of Europe' in blow to Brussels | UK | News | Express.co.uk

And

UK remains 'global financial powerhouse' despite Brexit fears

UK remains 'global financial powerhouse' despite Brexit fears

Unquote.

Hmm, post Brexit UK will be just fine.
PeteEU said:
London has always been the "business centre" of Europe due to commodities trading and the British Empire.

The Daily Express is a Brexit propoganda pusher and often wrong or outright lying.

Sent from my Honor 8X using Tapatalk
Phoenix One UK said:
1 As second link shows.

2 And Guardian is EU's propaganda machine, as is the Independent. And note I used the first more than once to support a post.
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
 
Upbeat consumers defy Brexit fears as wages continue to rise


Households remain defiantly optimistic about their financial situation despite worries about the economy.

A key confidence measure, used by the Bank of England and the Treasury to gauge the economic outlook, showed that consumers shook off concerns about Brexit to feel happier about their finances this month.

The improvement came after a sustained rise in real wages, which have grown at an annual rate of about 1.5 per cent for seven months. Better pay has ended the squeeze on living standards and the lowest unemployment rate since 1974 has made people feel more secure in their jobs.

Upbeat consumers defy Brexit fears as wages continue to rise | News | The Times

Unquote.

Brexit rolls on, and probably without a deal, but life goes on, and Europhiles continue to scream. :peace
 
Phoenix One UK said:
Upbeat consumers defy Brexit fears as wages continue to rise


Households remain defiantly optimistic about their financial situation despite worries about the economy.

A key confidence measure, used by the Bank of England and the Treasury to gauge the economic outlook, showed that consumers shook off concerns about Brexit to feel happier about their finances this month.

The improvement came after a sustained rise in real wages, which have grown at an annual rate of about 1.5 per cent for seven months. Better pay has ended the squeeze on living standards and the lowest unemployment rate since 1974 has made people feel more secure in their jobs.

Upbeat consumers defy Brexit fears as wages continue to rise | News | The Times

Unquote.

Brexit rolls on, and probably without a deal, but life goes on, and Europhiles continue to scream. :peace
Click to expand...
Err first of all your article is behind an anti EU Murdoch owned Newspaper.

Secondly the upbeat part is all relative. The numbers are still in negative territory and far far lower than before Brexit.

Sent from my Honor 8X using Tapatalk
 
PeteEU said:
Well duh.. Its been one for 200+ years and that ain't gonna change over night. You Brexiteers love to cherry pick and make up **** to suit your wacked world view.

Sent from my Honor 8X using Tapatalk
Click to expand...

I like cherry's. don't you? :)
 
PeteEU said:
Err first of all your article is behind an anti EU Murdoch owned Newspaper.

Secondly the upbeat part is all relative. The numbers are still in negative territory and far far lower than before Brexit.

Sent from my Honor 8X using Tapatalk
Click to expand...

And what of pro EU publications? Do they meet your approval? :)
 
PeteEU said:
Facts and raw data meet my approval, not political bull**** from the Brexit morons.
Click to expand...

Really? And what facts and data would you rely on?

Quote from pro-EU Guardian:


Yes, a no-deal Brexit will hurt the economy. But nobody knows just how much

Leaving without a deal is not an event, it’s the start of a process – and Mark Carney is right not to predict its long-term impact

Predictions matter, not least because they feed directly into the political debate. We saw this all too clearly in 2016. And apocalyptic predictions matter even more when they don’t come true. The Treasury’s gloom-ridden short-term forecast in May 2016 of the impact of Brexit – not to mention its hysterical portrayal by the Treasury website – became the Brexiters’ best friend. And George Osborne’s promised “punishment budget” was rightly derided for being both bad economics and bad politics.

Dire predictions of immediate job losses and indeed recession proved simply to be false. Even when the pound fell precipitately immediately after the referendum, it was easy for proponents of Brexit to point out that things were nowhere near as bad as some had predicted.

So it’s hardly surprising that when the governor of the Bank of England, Mark Carney, warns, as he did on the Today programme this morning, that a no-deal Brexit would cause an “instantaneous shock” to the UK economy, raising prices and reducing household incomes, proponents of no deal such as Iain Duncan Smith would claim he was “reviving project fear”.

And no surprise that the architect of universal credit thinks that when a complex project goes off track the best way to respond is to stick your fingers in your ears. Though it’s slightly more worrying when a supposedly serious newspaper calls for the UK’s independent central bank to stop getting us all down with “gloomy forecasts”.

But if the forecasts were wrong last time, why should we pay any attention to them this time? And what, realistically, can we actually know about the impact of no deal? Well, it’s worth noting that while the Treasury certainly got the Brexit vote very badly wrong, the medium-term impacts haven’t been that different from those projected by credible independent economists. The consensus is that, so far, we’ve lost perhaps 1.5-2% worth of growth and, with uncertainty taking an increasing toll on business confidence and hence investment, next week’s figures are likely to show growth grinding entirely to a halt.

But that doesn’t mean we, or anyone else, know what the economic impact of no deal would actually be. Carney did make that absolutely clear, refusing to produce an economic forecast. There are two good reason to be cautious.

First, while we know some of the consequences of no deal – customs controls, tariffs and new trade barriers – no one really knows how great the short-term disruption will be. Sky News has got hold of a leaked internal Whitehall slide describing the worst-case scenario for the first month of a no-deal Brexit. It talks of UK nationals in other EU states losing residency and other rights; of a risk of increased crime; of the potential for an immediate halting of cross-border agricultural trade on the island of Ireland, of currency and financial market volatility. You get the picture.

But the Cabinet Office doesn’t produce documents like this simply to scare ministers. Its purpose is to put measures into place to mitigate the worst-case scenario. Even before the government ramped up its no-deal planning, much was already in place to ensure we don’t run out of drugs or essential chemicals. And on the other side of the channel, the EU has put in place unilateral short-term measures in areas such as aviation and freight transport to cushion the shock. What we do not know is how long these measures will remain in place.

Yes, a no-deal Brexit will hurt the economy. But nobody knows just how much | Anand Menon and Jonathan Portes | Opinion | The Guardian

Unquote. Use link to read the rest of the article. Note what is said about worst case scenario. Also note just because preparations are made and/or considered within any projections does not translate to such worst case scenarios actually eventuating.

Like I said time-and-again, nobody knows. They are speculating, and experts on both side or the argument do not even necessarily agree with those presenting arguments from their own side of the debate.

Now, given we have so many experts, what makes you better than them? Or are you going to cherry pick the arguments you like? Note cherry's are great. Cannot get enough of them. :)
 
Phoenix One UK said:
~ Note cherry's are great. Cannot get enough of them. :)
Click to expand...

Speaking of "cherries" - a claim of side deals that would somehow sit alongside a no-deal Brexit was made - I'm still waiting to see your evidence several hours later.......
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Speaking of "cherries" - a claim of side deals that would somehow sit alongside a no-deal Brexit was made - I'm still waiting to see your evidence several hours later.......
Click to expand...

And I am waiting to see yours. You have proved zip. The best you could come up with is posing yes/no questions for me to respond to, as if you believe I have no choice but to select one of two multiple choices offered.
 
Phoenix One UK said:
My fans are back, and miss me. :lamo
Click to expand...

Youre doing great, keep it up! :mrgreen:

The twatter birds feathers have been ruffled, and their all pecking at each other trying to get at you.

PeteEU said:
Facts and raw data meet my approval, not political bull**** from the Brexit morons.
Click to expand...

LOL what facts and figures? Economics isnt an exact science and its everyone's opinion until Brexit actually happens- even then we wont know the full results until years later.
 
Phoenix One UK said:
Really? And what facts and data would you rely on?

Quote from pro-EU Guardian:


Yes, a no-deal Brexit will hurt the economy. But nobody knows just how much

Leaving without a deal is not an event, it’s the start of a process – and Mark Carney is right not to predict its long-term impact

Predictions matter, not least because they feed directly into the political debate. We saw this all too clearly in 2016. And apocalyptic predictions matter even more when they don’t come true. The Treasury’s gloom-ridden short-term forecast in May 2016 of the impact of Brexit – not to mention its hysterical portrayal by the Treasury website – became the Brexiters’ best friend. And George Osborne’s promised “punishment budget” was rightly derided for being both bad economics and bad politics.

Dire predictions of immediate job losses and indeed recession proved simply to be false. Even when the pound fell precipitately immediately after the referendum, it was easy for proponents of Brexit to point out that things were nowhere near as bad as some had predicted.

So it’s hardly surprising that when the governor of the Bank of England, Mark Carney, warns, as he did on the Today programme this morning, that a no-deal Brexit would cause an “instantaneous shock” to the UK economy, raising prices and reducing household incomes, proponents of no deal such as Iain Duncan Smith would claim he was “reviving project fear”.

And no surprise that the architect of universal credit thinks that when a complex project goes off track the best way to respond is to stick your fingers in your ears. Though it’s slightly more worrying when a supposedly serious newspaper calls for the UK’s independent central bank to stop getting us all down with “gloomy forecasts”.

But if the forecasts were wrong last time, why should we pay any attention to them this time? And what, realistically, can we actually know about the impact of no deal? Well, it’s worth noting that while the Treasury certainly got the Brexit vote very badly wrong, the medium-term impacts haven’t been that different from those projected by credible independent economists. The consensus is that, so far, we’ve lost perhaps 1.5-2% worth of growth and, with uncertainty taking an increasing toll on business confidence and hence investment, next week’s figures are likely to show growth grinding entirely to a halt.

But that doesn’t mean we, or anyone else, know what the economic impact of no deal would actually be. Carney did make that absolutely clear, refusing to produce an economic forecast. There are two good reason to be cautious.

First, while we know some of the consequences of no deal – customs controls, tariffs and new trade barriers – no one really knows how great the short-term disruption will be. Sky News has got hold of a leaked internal Whitehall slide describing the worst-case scenario for the first month of a no-deal Brexit. It talks of UK nationals in other EU states losing residency and other rights; of a risk of increased crime; of the potential for an immediate halting of cross-border agricultural trade on the island of Ireland, of currency and financial market volatility. You get the picture.

But the Cabinet Office doesn’t produce documents like this simply to scare ministers. Its purpose is to put measures into place to mitigate the worst-case scenario. Even before the government ramped up its no-deal planning, much was already in place to ensure we don’t run out of drugs or essential chemicals. And on the other side of the channel, the EU has put in place unilateral short-term measures in areas such as aviation and freight transport to cushion the shock. What we do not know is how long these measures will remain in place.

Yes, a no-deal Brexit will hurt the economy. But nobody knows just how much | Anand Menon and Jonathan Portes | Opinion | The Guardian

Unquote. Use link to read the rest of the article. Note what is said about worst case scenario. Also note just because preparations are made and/or considered within any projections does not translate to such worst case scenarios actually eventuating.

Like I said time-and-again, nobody knows. They are speculating, and experts on both side or the argument do not even necessarily agree with those presenting arguments from their own side of the debate.

Now, given we have so many experts, what makes you better than them? Or are you going to cherry pick the arguments you like? Note cherry's are great. Cannot get enough of them. :)
Click to expand...

Yes, a no deal brexit will hurt the economy.. something you basically deny that it will. You also deny that Brexit has hurt the economy so far, which is also a lie according to the economic facts.
 
PeteEU said:
Yes, a no deal brexit will hurt the economy.. something you basically deny that it will. You also deny that Brexit has hurt the economy so far, which is also a lie according to the economic facts.
Click to expand...

Hmm, I could have swore I stated believing that the short term for UK looked bleak. Yep, I just flipped back, and there it is. :)

But what of impact on EU, especially within the Eurozone? How will Brexit effect them? Oh, but that is a no no. Must not discuss that taboo point. However, if the EU imposes increase tariffs on UK, what will happen if UK responds in kind? I also noted Hungry and Poland are outperforming other member EU states, and noted the Brussels times mentioning something about concerns that European banking may trigger the next global crisis. Nah, could not happen. :roll:
 
PoS said:
Youre doing great, keep it up! :mrgreen:

The twatter birds feathers have been ruffled, and their all pecking at each other trying to get at you.



LOL what facts and figures? Economics isnt an exact science and its everyone's opinion until Brexit actually happens- even then we wont know the full results until years later.
Click to expand...

Thanks. Could not stop laughing half the time. Anyway, have to call it a night. Need my beauty sleep. :)
 
Phoenix One UK said:
And I am waiting to see yours.
Click to expand...

OK so you lied about there actually being any side deals. You were taken in by Carney's figure of speech and don't have the guts to confess to it.

Phoenix One UK said:
You have proved zip.
Click to expand...

What do I have to prove?

Phoenix One UK said:
~The best you could come up with is posing yes/no questions for me to respond to, as if you believe I have no choice but to select one of two multiple choices offered.
Click to expand...

If I ask you an open question you will obfuscate, lie or prevaricate. When you prove you can answer questions honestly I am happy to attempt open discussion with you.

PoS said:
Youre doing great, keep it up! :mrgreen:

The twatter birds feathers have been ruffled, and their all pecking at each other trying to get at you ~
Click to expand...

"Get at him??"

He's been pegged for what is just as you were.
 
Phoenix One UK said:
I seem to recall someone within another debating forum playing and manipulating what I said. In that case they overlooked the time stamp and ended up being banned from the site.
Click to expand...

I did no more than quote what you yourself wrote, and the fact that you misspelled a country is entirely your problem. I do not know what you mean by overlooking a time stamp nor do I like your tone. Enjoy the sunlit uplands of my Ignore List!
 
Infinite Chaos said:
"Get at him??"

He's been pegged for what is just as you were.
Click to expand...
LOL you talk as if what you say has any importance, but it doesnt, never has and never will be.
 
Sven Karma said:
I did no more than quote what you yourself wrote, and the fact that you misspelled a country is entirely your problem. I do not know what you mean by overlooking a time stamp nor do I like your tone. Enjoy the sunlit uplands of my Ignore List!
Click to expand...

What you did was minor, and trust it will not go beyond that. What that other person did was not. In an attempt to get me banned that person got banned. The only reason I found out about it was due to moderator letting me know. Anyway, you clearly did not attempt anything like that.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
OK so you lied about there actually being any side deals. You were taken in by Carney's figure of speech and don't have the guts to confess to it.

What do I have to prove?

If I ask you an open question you will obfuscate, lie or prevaricate. When you prove you can answer questions honestly I am happy to attempt open discussion with you.

"Get at him??"

He's been pegged for what is just as you were.
Click to expand...

Good morning IC, and how are you this fine day?

Hmm, now which do I respond to first. eeny, meeny, miny, moe, or maybe I should respond top down. Ok, top down it is.

1 Did not lie, and you clearly did not access the supplied link to listen to what he said.

2 What do you have to prove? What do I have to prove?

3 Depends on the question, and how you ask. Try saying please.

Oh, last one is to PoS. Welcome to the party PoS. :2wave:
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom