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    Re: Tehran fumes as Britain seizes Iranian oil tanker over Syria sanctions

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    Nor does the UK.

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    so the tanker was apprehended by phantoms, eh?
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    Re: Tehran fumes as Britain seizes Iranian oil tanker over Syria sanctions

    Quote Originally Posted by Chagos View Post
    so the tanker was apprehended by phantoms, eh?
    No, it was taken by a bunch of special ops shipped in from the UK and most likely in international waters. It was and is an act of state sponsered piracy. It was a ship with NO links to the EU or US, flying a neutral flag that the British hijacked.

    The UK does not own or control the Straits of Gibraltar period.

    What the UK has done on behalf of Trumps America, is basically opened up Pandoras box. Iran, Russia and anyone can now legitimately seize any ship they want anywhere in the world as long as they can claim sanctions or another faux legal reason for doing so. This is a problem no? And let me guess "let them try and will sink thier ships" attitude...well that only means that international shipping will now have to go in convoys protected by military vessels... Is that what you want? And all because of a few Neo Cons pulling Trumps strings...

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    Re: Tehran fumes as Britain seizes Iranian oil tanker over Syria sanctions

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    No, it was taken by a bunch of special ops shipped in from the UK and most likely in international waters. It was and is an act of state sponsered piracy. It was a ship with NO links to the EU or US, flying a neutral flag that the British hijacked.

    The UK does not own or control the Straits of Gibraltar period.

    What the UK has done on behalf of Trumps America, is basically opened up Pandoras box. Iran, Russia and anyone can now legitimately seize any ship they want anywhere in the world as long as they can claim sanctions or another faux legal reason for doing so. This is a problem no? And let me guess "let them try and will sink thier ships" attitude...well that only means that international shipping will now have to go in convoys protected by military vessels... Is that what you want? And all because of a few Neo Cons pulling Trumps strings...

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    I've actually never passed any verdict on the prudence of the move, just explained the considerations that drove it.

    As to any supplier and consignee (let alone their ships) having no links to the EU, that does not serve to circumvent any sanctions on either the supplier or the consignee, if either or both are subject to sanctions (import and/or export) that the EU has imposed on either or both.

    Fun fact, incidentally, being that instrumentalizing of such sanctions in form and design are left up to the individual EU member states.
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    Re: Tehran fumes as Britain seizes Iranian oil tanker over Syria sanctions

    Quote Originally Posted by Chagos View Post
    I've actually never passed any verdict on the prudence of the move, just explained the considerations that drove it.

    As to any supplier and consignee (let alone their ships) having no links to the EU, that does not serve to circumvent any sanctions on either the supplier or the consignee, if either or both are subject to sanctions (import and/or export) that the EU has imposed on either or both.

    Fun fact, incidentally, being that instrumentalizing of such sanctions in form and design are left up to the individual EU member states.
    All Iran has to do is place sanctions on the UK regarding oil shipments and it will be entitled to seize any ship that might be shipping petrochemical products to the UK.

    A great move UK
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    Re: Tehran fumes as Britain seizes Iranian oil tanker over Syria sanctions

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    All Iran has to do is place sanctions on the UK regarding oil shipments and it will be entitled to seize any ship that might be shipping petrochemical products to the UK.

    A great move UK
    To the best of my knowledge the UK does not import either petroleum or petrochemicals from Iran.

    The nearest country (geographically speaking) from which it imports either and where Iran could interfere, being Saudi.

    Negligible quantities in both fields when compared to its overall imports.

    As for the Iranian navy interfering with ANY shipments on the high seas, it's hardly geared for that.

    Just saying.
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    Re: Tehran fumes as Britain seizes Iranian oil tanker over Syria sanctions

    Quote Originally Posted by Chagos View Post
    To the best of my knowledge the UK does not import either petroleum or petrochemicals from Iran.

    The nearest country (geographically speaking) from which it imports either and where Iran could interfere, being Saudi.

    Negligible quantities in both fields when compared to its overall imports.

    As for the Iranian navy interfering with ANY shipments on the high seas, it's hardly geared for that.

    Just saying.
    It does not, but it does from countries in the Persian Gulf

    Royal Navy Frigate Escorts U.K. Tanker Out Of The Persian Gulf After Iranian Threats - The Drive

    OEC

    - United Kingdom (GBR) Exports, Imports, and Trade Partners



    Meaning the UK, and or UK flagged or owned ships do pass through the Straights of Hormuz and could be seized by Iran fairly easily
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    Re: Tehran fumes as Britain seizes Iranian oil tanker over Syria sanctions

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    It seems that the Brits acted on a request from the Americans according to the Spanish, which does not help the situation.

    And again, seizing it so far from Syria and in contested waters is idiotic. It could be going anywhere and now we will never know..

    It looks more and more like another attempt to drive a wedge between Europe and the US and we both know who that benefits and why the US would ask the UK to do the dirty work...work that the US could easily do themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Fraudulent flag? Make **** up now?

    And yes If the ship was heading to break sanctions thenyes it should be stopped. BUT we will never know since the ship was no where near Syria...

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    Theft and people are cheering about it.

    Support for Assad? I mean, he's not a nice guy, but the US would have supported him had it been in their interests. The US does support the Saudis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    No, it was taken by a bunch of special ops shipped in from the UK and most likely in international waters. It was and is an act of state sponsered piracy. It was a ship with NO links to the EU or US, flying a neutral flag that the British hijacked.

    The UK does not own or control the Straits of Gibraltar period.

    What the UK has done on behalf of Trumps America, is basically opened up Pandoras box. Iran, Russia and anyone can now legitimately seize any ship they want anywhere in the world as long as they can claim sanctions or another faux legal reason for doing so. This is a problem no? And let me guess "let them try and will sink thier ships" attitude...well that only means that international shipping will now have to go in convoys protected by military vessels... Is that what you want? And all because of a few Neo Cons pulling Trumps strings...

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    Re: Tehran fumes as Britain seizes Iranian oil tanker over Syria sanctions

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Fraudulent flag? Make **** up now?

    And yes If the ship was heading to break sanctions thenyes it should be stopped. BUT we will never know since the ship was no where near Syria...

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    Re: Tehran fumes as Britain seizes Iranian oil tanker over Syria sanctions

    Some are trying here to hijack/confuse the topic with a false narrative. The sanctions acted on here are not sanctions applied to Iran, but US/UK/EU sanctions applied to the Assad regime of Syria. These sanctions are applied in relation to Assad government war crimes, massive human rights violations, trafficking-in-persons, and using weapons of mass destruction (CW). It is impossible to obtain UN sanctions against the Assad regime due to Russia and China SC vetoes.

    The Grace 1 was removed from the Panamanian maritime flag registry on May 29. The Grace 1 left the Persian Gulf loaded (STS) with Iranian crude and then avoided the Suez Canal to reach the Mediterranean because its cargo (fuel oil) would have been off-loaded at one end and re-loaded after canal transit, thus revealing the content and tonnage of its cargo. In addition, the ship's manifest - previous port(s)/next destination(s) would also have been examined and checked. The Grace 1 held false cargo papers identifying Iraq as the country of cargo origin. Grace 1 has a history of handling STS (Ship-to-Ship) fuel oil transfers. Loaded, she typically then transfers her cargo to smaller ships (Suezmax, Aframax, etc.) to avoid being boarded and impounded (this occurred on 4 July). She is now anchored off the coast of Gibraltar and ~22.5 meters deep in the water which implies a cargo of 2 million bbl of fuel oil rather than crude oil (which is lighter). These tankers automatically broadcast a data packet every four hours with GMT, longitude, latitude, speed, course, heading, turn, source, data. Grace 1 Owner and Mgmt. - Russian Titan Ship Lines, Abu Dubai, UAE.


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    Re: Tehran fumes as Britain seizes Iranian oil tanker over Syria sanctions

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    It does not, but it does from countries in the Persian Gulf

    Royal Navy Frigate Escorts U.K. Tanker Out Of The Persian Gulf After Iranian Threats - The Drive

    OEC

    - United Kingdom (GBR) Exports, Imports, and Trade Partners



    Meaning the UK, and or UK flagged or owned ships do pass through the Straights of Hormuz and could be seized by Iran fairly easily
    fairly easily?
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