Far-right AfD becomes 'strongest force in state of Brandenburg' for first time

ChezC3 said:

Ok ,you know what, I do remember seeing this, don't know why it escaped me....

He also brushed it aside saying he was nothing more than a guest, such as he was at many other events. (yeah, yeah...)

Look I'm not making excuses for him, I mean the guy could very well jerk himself off at night to a photo of Friedrich Naumann for all I know...

What I do know is if you have an anti-immigration party, and some members are unsavory, that doesn't mean the argument is illegitimate, nor does it condemn everyone associated with it.

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No, but it does suggest that part of that party is not just against immigrants but also has unsavory Nazi ideological views. Which means it also has an anti-democratic tendency. Not a thing I think is very proper for a democratic party to have. I am not sure what percentage has these nazi ideological views but as he is the leader of the party in that region, that is not really a point that goes in his favor.

Chagos said:

Well, I tried to bring in a less over-simplified picture of what really ails Germans of the East, but seeing that your main concern seems to be to gripe over foreigners, I'll leave it a that, seeing how I'm not interested in continuing along that singular (and single-minded) line.

So, have a nice one.

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Perhaps, I do go off on tangents, to hammer a point home and figure what's left unsaid would be captured by the other poster, so here is the thing, to me it's all connected. It is a historical mess for the eastern part of Germany, just at is really for most of the eastern bloc. That's what I'm trying to say, with the difficulties faced by that segment of German society, with the migration of skilled workers in the east going west to make their fortunes, you've still got plenty who haven't gone, or just simply couldn't -- what about them? Do we just give up on them? That's how they feel, and then yes, when you bring in outsiders, of course they're going to feel like they're being replaced.

What has Merkel done to help them in that regard? Nothing that I see, German practicality says to put the money where it will do the most good, and since that was in the west, that's who continued to thrive. Until a real turnaround takes place and investment in the people, not just in industry takes place, they are always going to lag behind.

I'll stop it here, respecting that you want to end the discussion.

Peter King said:

No, but it does suggest that part of that party is not just against immigrants but also has unsavory Nazi ideological views. Which means it also has an anti-democratic tendency. Not a thing I think is very proper for a democratic party to have. I am not sure what percentage has these nazi ideological views but as he is the leader of the party in that region, that is not really a point that goes in his favor.

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Well, that may be true too, but that doesn't mean that's how it will go, nor does it mean that's how leadership will evolve. I mean, we have a whole lot of Democrats right now wiping their ass with democratic principles who are running for POTUS...Highlighting that they will simply rule by decree on issues they can't conquer by democratic means. So, are we just suppose to ban democrats? Delegitimize them? (they're doing a fine job themselves in my opinion, but I digress...)

As I said in a previous post, none of the horrors of Nazi Germany are going to return and I just feel too much "crying wolf" is taking place where people are finding Nazi's around every corner. This has an unintended consequence on people, they're ignoring those who really do subscribe to their view, but the majority against such views is so great that there is nothing that will ever manifest from it.

Those types tend to expose themselves fully or shoot themselves in the foot eventually.

Additionally, and I'm not trying to be an apologist here, but let us not conflate the desire to be free from foreigners, or to be steadfastly opposed to immigration with Nazi racial purity doctrine, nor let us imagine that not wanting them equates to rounding them up and turning on the ovens. We all know it doesn't. If we don't? We should.

german hick said:

I know, I´m only from here and I´m infected from our lying press as most rightwing Americans tell me - but most of the stuff you write is simply wrong. So you wanna "educate" others with your wrong "facts"? Thats populism at ist best....

there are a lot of rightwingers in the east, because there are few Jobs there and anyone has to take the "guilt" - all countries of the old GDR together have less population than my country (NRW) alone.

Yes, there is a problem in the east, but in no way you can equalize it with Germany in total.

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Ok, but what about my actual words here, rather than your interpretation of the OP?

'The state of Brandenburg surrounds the city-state and national capital Berlin. The largely communist Die Linke party appears to be losing support, while AfD & the Greens polled +2% & +5% respectively. Premier Woidke's position seems secure for now, but a sampling size of 1000 voters in a state of 2.5 million people gives hope to those who'd like an alternative for Brandenburg, and Germany.'


I never said you were hoodwinked by bad media, or not entitled to your opinion. Although I am beginning to suspect that your username is a bit of satire and not reflective of your socioeconomic background. Shame!

My statements regarding 'corrupt bureaucracies' and their penchant for withhold highly important data from their citizens is something up for debate? That's news to me.

truthatallcost said:

Ok, but what about my actual words here, rather than your interpretation of the OP?

'The state of Brandenburg surrounds the city-state and national capital Berlin. The largely communist Die Linke party appears to be losing support, while AfD & the Greens polled +2% & +5% respectively. Premier Woidke's position seems secure for now, but a sampling size of 1000 voters in a state of 2.5 million people gives hope to those who'd like an alternative for Brandenburg, and Germany.'


I never said you were hoodwinked by bad media, or not entitled to your opinion. Although I am beginning to suspect that your username is a bit of satire and not reflective of your socioeconomic background. Shame!

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The fact remains that you started this thread with a lie, as is your habit with virtually all your threads here. That is the only interpretation which your OP allows and renders all other words you used meaningless.

german hick said:

I know, I´m only from here and I´m infected from our lying press as most rightwing Americans tell me ~

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What would we do without TAAC and others like him to tell us how horrible our lives are? :roll: