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Far-right AfD becomes 'strongest force in state of Brandenburg' for first time

You aren't allowed to disagree with DP's #1 active narcissist don't cha know, or face the wrath of hundreds of pointless personal attacks against you by Chagos, 3rd Earl of Squat.
Calling out the dishonesty of practically any thread you start in the Europe forum is far from pointless. In fact that also goes for pointing out the dishonesty you display in practically anything you post.

You OP here being just the latest example in claiming that the AfD has become the strongest party in Brandenburg.

For those interested in facts rather than in the lies you spout, AfD did not come in as the strongest party in the last Brandenburg elections of 2017.
 
If he's calling me names, he's leaving someone else alone.:shrug:

The point is as I said in #20

Geez you guys are such triggered little babies.
 
The reason that most Germans won't listen to the AfD is because they realize (unlike the blind AfD supporters) that the AfD's promises aren't worth the air they're transported on.

IOW a stop to immigration plus deportation of all those who have been granted asylum or other immigrant status won't change a thing about what the AfD supporters consider their woes to be. There are two things to consider here, one being that the AfD has practically no other program than the immigration spin its running on, the second being that the areas of Germany where one is least likely to ever come across an immigrant is that of the former GDR states. Brandenburg has around 160,000 people of foreing roots living there with more than half being EU citizens from other countries and a "mere" 10,000 from Syria and another 8,000 from all of Egypt, Algeria, Libya and Tunisia). Do the maths.

see above

I expressly stated not knowing whether you're a Nazi or not. I also stated (words to that effect) the predicament one gets into when lying down to sleep with dogs.

And yet they keep growing

The AfD isn’t looking to run the whole Shebang at this point. Only enter a coalition and get the Ministry of Interior and a sympathetic if not like-minded Chancellor.

I don’t know where you are getting your information but I can assure you there were immigrants in Saxony, Saxony-Anhalt, Thuringia, and of course Berlin...Enough to be noticed and they looked out of place and isolated. Keeping to their own. I seen zero interactions outside of a döner stall or maybe a brezel stand. No mixed groups eating drinking or even walking together.

Now were they as prevalent as in say Hannover? No. Hannover was probably the most diverse of the places I visited even more so than Berlin and it was probably also my least favorite. (Side note: one of the largest immigrant populations I seen there actually was Vietnamese. At least as many if not more than Turks or Arabs.)

I have done the maths and when you look at the fact that those 18,000 will have children at a rate of at least 3:1 compared to the 160,000 ya don’t have to have completed the calculus cycle to come to a conclusion about what the future holds.

As I said, it doesn’t matter to me what you call me or I guess in this case, didn’t call me, it rolls off my back just the same. No one has ever settled a disagreement or won a debate by name calling and people’s opinion of me is their concern, not mine.

Lying with dogs may get you fleas but it doesn’t turn you into a dog, now does it?
 
Shhh.... The thread like many others is simply here to fool Americans and look.. we already have two celebrating how a POLL means the end of multi-culti and Liberal values and the rise of their beloved far right.

My threads are meant to educate, not fool people. You're the one who believes (or perhaps doesn't believe) in the efficiency of large government bureaucracies to disseminate the truth to people. I can't decide whether you believe in the aforementioned corrupt bureaucracies, or if you know how adept they are at pulling the wool over their citizens eyes, and keeping them all as innocent does, never maturing in wisdom.
 
1. it is a poll, not a vote

2. it is just a few percentages above the number 2

3. still only 21% which means 79% vote for other parties

4. there are always coalitions in Germany (normally) and I am not sure anybody wants to rule with the Afd.

Yep. Polls are merely speculation at best. The Greens are growing faster than AfD is at this point as well, again if we're going to believe in polling data. Take it for what it's worth.
 
My threads are meant to educate, not fool people.

Try telling the truth in your OPs then, try thinking about both sides of an argument sometimes before you post. Might make the reaction against your threads a lot less hostile.
The only people you fool so far in your threads are people who don't know what critical thinking or basic research is.

You're the one who believes (or perhaps doesn't believe) ~

So basically you're making s**t up about me.
 
My threads are meant to educate, ....................~
:rofl

Considering how absolutely ignorant you are on Europe in general and its individual countries in particular, your claim of educating others on any of those is the hoot of the day.
 
and God bless them for it. though I don't agree with the "far-right" BS label...

One thing (one of many glorious things) I seen when I was over there, and I hit Hamburg, Berlin, Wittenberg, Leipzig, Weimar, Erfurt, Eisenbach, Bad Hersfeld, Koningswald, and Hannover is that German's ain't too pleased with the foreigners.

Don't let the Lügenpresse fool you...


If that's the case then why, as Peter King states, are the percentages of 21% - 79% so decisive?
 
oh, well hell, cuz you said so? :roll:

It is not him who says it, it is the media.

The Tagesspiegel states that the head of the Brandenburger AFD visited the Easter camp of the Heimattreuen Deutschen Jugend (Country faithful German Youth) a neo-nazi organization later banned by the German authorities for their neo-nazi visions/practices and their animosity towards democratic principles. This is proven according to the newspaper because the main ARD television station has pictures and video's from him visiting that neo-nazi camp/event.

The Tagesspiegel also writes that:

Kalbitz, 1994 bis 2006 Fallschirmjäger bei der Bundeswehr, war Autor für rechtsextreme Publikationen wie das Vereinsblatt der „Jungen Landsmannschaft Ostdeutschland“ und bei den vom Verfassungsschutz beobachteten Republikanern aktiv. Er leitete einen von Nazis, ehemaligen SS-Offizieren und NPD-Funktionären gegründeten Kulturverein, dessen Vorsitz er erst 2015 nach Publikwerden aufgab.

Translation:

Kalbitz, from 1994 to 2006 parachutist for the German armed forces, was writer for extreme right publications like the Membership magazine from the Jung Landesmannschaft Ostdeutschland and for the monitored group the Republicans. He led a cultural group that was started by nazi's, former SS officers and NPD members, he only gave up that position in 2015.

And the Tagesspiegel is not the only newspaper reporting these extreme right connotations with regard to Kalbitz.
 
If that's the case then why, as Peter King states, are the percentages of 21% - 79% so decisive?

you’re familiar with the phrase, “Lies, damn lies, and statistics”, no?

Much of what I would respond to you with has already been written, so if you would, please read the thread.

I will add that the people I talked to — many reluctant to even get into the conversation with me — agreed whole heartedly with the AfDs position on immigration. They spoke of how these people were just let in with no real system or expectations for them to assimilate to German life. They feel bad for the war weary but don’t really feel comfortable with them around.

Hell in one place we stopped to eat, definitely not a tourist spot we as Americans were ostracized a bit in the restaurant. By I bit, I mean ridiculously so. The place in question was a large room divided into 3 sections by pillars and arches. The first and third section had about 5-6 tables each and the 2nd had about 10. There were 3 parties, one in each section when we arrived and were seated in the second section.

The party in our section soon got up to leave after finishing their meal. Well as the dinner progressed, the place got louder and louder.

Taking a pause from our conversation and looking around we noticed that the other two sections now were completely full, and not a single party aside from us was sitting in the second section. This with a good hour having gone by and no less than 10 more parties. So here you have this room divided by 3 you have a packed house on either side bookending me and my wife and 9 empty tables.

I told my wife, I guess we smell funny. She laughed. I knew from previous conversations with Germans that locals like to sit by locals and not foreigners and definitely not tourists.

I blamed my wife 100% for this absurdity as she is Sicilian and definitely didn’t fit in with the local population.

I myself during my entire stay never felt more at home. A country full of “me’s”. It was fantastic. However my German’s nicht sehr gut so they didn’t think of “me” as a “we”. I was on the outs too. Lol.

So if a person who could pass himself off for a native son so long as he keeps his mouth shut sees an abrupt turn around in behavior when the person to whom he speaks realizes he’s an imposter — what do you think the attitude is for those with sandy complexions and headscarves?

Now if you did go back and read the thread you’ll notice that Chagos made a point and it is a fair one to make. He said something to the effect that the problems people who support AfD won’t find their problems solved should they cease and desist with all immigration. I don’t disagree with that, however this radical influx Merkel allowed and still wants more of isn’t going to help them at all either.
 
It is not him who says it, it is the media.

The Tagesspiegel states that the head of the Brandenburger AFD visited the Easter camp of the Heimattreuen Deutschen Jugend (Country faithful German Youth) a neo-nazi organization later banned by the German authorities for their neo-nazi visions/practices and their animosity towards democratic principles. This is proven according to the newspaper because the main ARD television station has pictures and video's from him visiting that neo-nazi camp/event.

The Tagesspiegel also writes that:

Kalbitz, 1994 bis 2006 Fallschirmjäger bei der Bundeswehr, war Autor für rechtsextreme Publikationen wie das Vereinsblatt der „Jungen Landsmannschaft Ostdeutschland“ und bei den vom Verfassungsschutz beobachteten Republikanern aktiv. Er leitete einen von Nazis, ehemaligen SS-Offizieren und NPD-Funktionären gegründeten Kulturverein, dessen Vorsitz er erst 2015 nach Publikwerden aufgab.

Translation:

Kalbitz, from 1994 to 2006 parachutist for the German armed forces, was writer for extreme right publications like the Membership magazine from the Jung Landesmannschaft Ostdeutschland and for the monitored group the Republicans. He led a cultural group that was started by nazi's, former SS officers and NPD members, he only gave up that position in 2015.

And the Tagesspiegel is not the only newspaper reporting these extreme right connotations with regard to Kalbitz.

I’m not saying what your saying is true or false, I’m saying CNN, WaPo, and the NYTs just knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that Trump colluded with Russia.

So you’ll forgive my skepticism. I’m not moving goal posts here but I’m just not seeing any actual videos or photos.

Also if you look the conversation kinda took a different turn where that isn’t necessarily the meat on the plate.
 
Just to address this item (in no way dismissing the rest of your post)
~...................... people who support AfD won’t find their problems solved should they cease and desist with all immigration. I don’t disagree with that, however this radical influx Merkel allowed and still wants more of isn’t going to help them at all either.
The AfD grossly exaggerated the number of asylum seekers that came in 2015 (far over 1 million according to AfD, opposed to the actual 890,000) and continues doing that to this day.

Of course more people have sought asylum since that year but the number per year is sinking. As such the first half of 2017 showed 90,000 while the first half of 2018 showed 78,000.

2019 (so far) showed round about the same figure as last year.

The vast majority is from war-torn Syria.

All that notwithstanding, the woes of the "East Germans" (IOW former GDR) date back practically to the time of re-unification. GDR industry, pretty much bankrupt by then, was effectively bought by West German investors for a pittance and most often closed down to avoid increasing already existing over-capacities or kill any potential competition from the getgo.

At the same time "the West" invested heavily into infra-structure and that in a manner that contractors made profits while none of the "blessings" benefited Joe the Plummer all that much. Marble staircases in the main railway stations and some of the most modern highway systems of the whole Republic are all very well, but pretty meaningless to tens of thousands who have lost their jobs and have little hopes of ever getting another one.

As a result, the young worked on the principle of "go West", in that process leaving most smaller communities to rapidly over-age.

In addition to which, pensions paid in the "East" were (and, despite gradual adjustments being under way, still are) of a lower percentage than what the average "Westie" gained. All on the premise that the cost of living is lower in the East (true) but the way things developed, "living" rapidly became a relative term.

Of course pensions had to be paid for by somebody and the gubmint was averse to put all of the burden on the Westerners to pull thru a population that had never paid into the system at all.

But that is actually where Germany really failed their new citizens and their gripes are certainly justified, at least to some extent.

Nevertheless, East German xenophobia dates well back to long before 2015, in fact as far back as GDR times when the solidarity with socialist "brothers" brought Vietnamese guest workers into the workers' paradise.

To add some anecdotes of my own, when I was working in Germany I well remember the hostility with which Germans of Turkish roots were met in East Berlin just after re-unification. General attitude having been even then "get out you leeches, it's our turn now". This to people who had contributed to the German social systems far more than the "Easties" ever had (to do justice, had ever been able to) and were actually paying their pensions, their health care and, in case of job loss, their dole.

By all counts, having the advantage of a rich Western cousin to turn to and gripe over is not beneficial to one's own efforts to take responsibility at least in making rational assessments.

It also creates a fertile field for the rat-catchers to harvest.
 
I’m not saying what your saying is true or false, I’m saying CNN, WaPo, and the NYTs just knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that Trump colluded with Russia.

So you’ll forgive my skepticism. I’m not moving goal posts here but I’m just not seeing any actual videos or photos.

Also if you look the conversation kinda took a different turn where that isn’t necessarily the meat on the plate.

In order words still doubting even though it was well reported in respectable media?

Here then is the picture of him at the Heimattreuen Deutschen Jugend camp.

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My threads are meant to educate, not fool people.

I know, I´m only from here and I´m infected from our lying press as most rightwing Americans tell me - but most of the stuff you write is simply wrong. So you wanna "educate" others with your wrong "facts"? Thats populism at ist best....

there are a lot of rightwingers in the east, because there are few Jobs there and anyone has to take the "guilt" - all countries of the old GDR together have less population than my country (NRW) alone.

Yes, there is a problem in the east, but in no way you can equalize it with Germany in total.
 
I know, I´m only from here and I´m infected from our lying press as most rightwing Americans tell me - but most of the stuff you write is simply wrong. So you wanna "educate" others with your wrong "facts"? Thats populism at ist best....

there are a lot of rightwingers in the east, because there are few Jobs there and anyone has to take the "guilt" - all countries of the old GDR together have less population than my country (NRW) alone.

Yes, there is a problem in the east, but in no way you can equalize it with Germany in total.
The poster's user name is a joke.

Maybe he didn't intend it to be but it's still a joke.
 
The reunification of Germany isn't working out so well. Those in the Western grew up under incessant liberal-guilt globalism indoctrination. Those in East Germany grew up under Communism and de facto nationalism.

"We are Germans and we are genetically superior" by no means vanished because we defeated Germany. There is a core clash between liberalized Germans who believe they are evil and nationalistic Germans who believe they are superior. In the middle are a couple of million Muslims.

The same is growing in the USA, with 20 million illegal Latinos in the middle.
 
Looks like it's garbage time.

Well, considering how that is the primary feature of what started this thread, no surprise here.
 
Who knew, a lot of the people who loved an authoritarian communist state now love Nazism.
 
Who knew, a lot of the people who loved an authoritarian communist state now love Nazism.

That is what the Democratic Party now is, the party advocating for global corporate fascism.
 
Eh? in what alternative universe?
I've found dismissing such drivel (let alone not even responding to its source) to be far more productive than wasting any further time on it.
 
Just to address this item (in no way dismissing the rest of your post)The AfD grossly exaggerated the number of asylum seekers that came in 2015 (far over 1 million according to AfD, opposed to the actual 890,000) and continues doing that to this day.

Of course more people have sought asylum since that year but the number per year is sinking. As such the first half of 2017 showed 90,000 while the first half of 2018 showed 78,000.

2019 (so far) showed round about the same figure as last year.

The vast majority is from war-torn Syria.

All that notwithstanding, the woes of the "East Germans" (IOW former GDR) date back practically to the time of re-unification. GDR industry, pretty much bankrupt by then, was effectively bought by West German investors for a pittance and most often closed down to avoid increasing already existing over-capacities or kill any potential competition from the getgo.

At the same time "the West" invested heavily into infra-structure and that in a manner that contractors made profits while none of the "blessings" benefited Joe the Plummer all that much. Marble staircases in the main railway stations and some of the most modern highway systems of the whole Republic are all very well, but pretty meaningless to tens of thousands who have lost their jobs and have little hopes of ever getting another one......

I don't know if I'd say 110K is grossly exaggerating, especially, even with Germany's finest bureaucrats doing the totaling, you're going to have seepage.

As I pointed out to another poster, doesn't matter if it's 1 million or 1000. When they're shooting kids out the hatch like a pitching machine on NO2, the problems lie greater in the future.

The problems of the east were the sins of their fathers, however, here's the thing, and the East have a right to kvetch. Until they're brought up, why add foreigners as an additional obstacle? Replacing or filling your work force through migration is an astutely stupid thing to do in mass. Too many presupposes are taken into account and hardly ever does it pan out as envisioned.

It's the same problem with the EU as a whole, and believe me, I have a lot more problems than this with the EU but this one can be discussed without all the other baggage. When you still haven't got 100% buy in from all the member states, when you've still got leeriness and unease with simply all members of Europe intermingling and a lot of them are well integrated, don't get me wrong, but a lot of them aren't, but still, -- why in the hell would you introduce this outside element? Was their hubris so great that they just thought everyone would enjoy bringing in hordes and hordes of the unwashed masses? Not to mention you've got northern Europe setting this ridicous policy all the while they're demanding (not expecting, nay, DEMANDING) that Southern europe just allow all of these migrants to invade their shores and their respective government's are expected to foot the bill. Craziness by any stretch.

So, just like with all over Europe you're seeing what isn't "far right extremist" groups making gains. Why because they're the only one acknowledging this craziness that no one else will admit to. Do these elements have far right wackos, are some of them in positions within the party, sure, but every party has them, Merkel for chrissakes was a member of the FDJ, but no one seems to bat an eye with some of her shenanigans showing she was obviously influenced -- why is that?
 
.....snipped for brevity........
Well, I tried to bring in a less over-simplified picture of what really ails Germans of the East, but seeing that your main concern seems to be to gripe over foreigners, I'll leave it a that, seeing how I'm not interested in continuing along that singular (and single-minded) line.

So, have a nice one.
 
In order words still doubting even though it was well reported in respectable media?

Here then is the picture of him at the Heimattreuen Deutschen Jugend camp.

Ok ,you know what, I do remember seeing this, don't know why it escaped me....

He also brushed it aside saying he was nothing more than a guest, such as he was at many other events. (yeah, yeah...)

Look I'm not making excuses for him, I mean the guy could very well jerk himself off at night to a photo of Friedrich Naumann for all I know...

What I do know is if you have an anti-immigration party, and some members are unsavory, that doesn't mean the argument is illegitimate, nor does it condemn everyone associated with it.
 
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