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Britain Bans ‘Harmful’ Gender Stereotypes in Advertisements

Actually I’m surprised the smoking ad ban has never been challenged, it’s clearly a violation of the 1st amendment

From what I can see online the tobacco industry fought it furiously like they always do but lost. Similar thing happened in Canada when we banned all tobacco advertising and forced health warnings but ultimately lost because public health is more important, it was even unanimous by the Supreme Court:

From CBC:
In a 9-0 judgment, the court ruled the 1997 law, and the detailed regulations that go along with it, were a "reasonable limit" that can be justified under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

Chief Justice Beverley McLachlin, writing for the court in Ottawa, rejected the companies'contention, and concluded the advertising law's key provisions "are constitutional in their entirety," and "nothing less than a matter of life or death for millions of people who could be affected."

She also took the companies to task for having a long history of misleading the public in their advertising, and remarked their ability to send a positive message about a noxious product was impressive.

"The expression at stake — the right to invite consumers to draw an erroneous inference as to the healthfulness of a product that, on the evidence, will almost certainly harm them — is of low value," McLachlin wrote.

The law requiring graphic warning labels on cigarettes packages to occupy half the area of the fronts and backs of packages was also upheld.
 
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From what I can see online the tobacco industry fought it furiously like they always do but lost.

I can’t find any lawsuit or SCOTUS case about it. The only case ever was from broadcasting companies who wanted to keep tobacco advertisements not from the tobacco companies themselves which is who’s 1st amendment rights would be violated
 
It's compelled speech and very frightening. It's like Canadians don't want to wrap their heads around the enormity of the affront to personal freedom.
Well, except Jordan Peterson and his ilk.

Except he is lying and the law doesn't do that.
 
Can't even read your own sources apparently:
It does make illegal the advocation for genocide of trans people. Canada sees hate speech as a reasonable restriction on freedom of expression as it is incitement of violence.

What citation are you referring to? I did not cite anything in the response you are replying to.

If you are referring to the citation to the Amendment to the Canadian Human Rights Act provided in a prior post, that was simply an example of "negative rights" enforcement legislation showing how speech in general can be restricted.

Snarky responses may result in my own freedom of speech action per my tagline. :roll:

It does make illegal the advocation for genocide of trans people. Canada sees hate speech as a reasonable restriction on freedom of expression as it is incitement of violence.

Red herring. I never raised this issue. I've also pointed out we have restrictions on "incitement to violence." However, "hate speech" is too broad a term, and is subject to personal opinion.

Except he is lying and the law doesn't do that.

Not "lying," the law can do that...and I found at least one example...

As for being held legally accountable for "mis-gendering" use of pronouns I was able to find this 2019 report:

Father Guilty Of 'Family Violence' For Calling His Trans Daughter A 'She'

I have a good faith belief that this is unlikely to be the only such incident, as I seem to recall some examples posted on YouTube last year (if I can find them)...but I doubt Canadian news agencies would be willing to risk issues with the government by reporting any similar incidents publicly.
 
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I can’t find any lawsuit or SCOTUS case about it. The only case ever was from broadcasting companies who wanted to keep tobacco advertisements not from the tobacco companies themselves which is who’s 1st amendment rights would be violated

You are right I got them confused, it was the broadcasting companies that did, I imagine it made the tobacco companies more scared to fight it because the precedent would not be in their favour. However I agree with the Canadian Supreme Court that public health and truth in advertising are more important and banning tobacco advertising is a reasonable restriction because of it.
 
I can’t find any lawsuit or SCOTUS case about it. The only case ever was from broadcasting companies who wanted to keep tobacco advertisements not from the tobacco companies themselves which is who’s 1st amendment rights would be violated

I don't believe that encouraging the consumption of toxic substances is covered under the first amendment. The government has a vested interest in a healthy population.
 
Except he is lying and the law doesn't do that.

Oh yes it does. If you do not violate the English language to placate a trans person, there will be consequences for you. Not me, because I'm an American, but for Canadians, there are consequences because saying things like "A man is not a woman" is akin to hate speech and calling someone by their given name is considered aggressive. If you refuse to capitulate to the demands of the gender pronounce police, and use made-up words like "ze", or pluralize references to singular people, you somehow violate their (or is it 'zer'?) human rights.
 
Oh oh, now they're banning 'depictions of gender stereotypes' in Britain. Certainly not a step towards valuing free speech imo. I do roll my eyes occasionally when 3 TV adverts in a row depict a bumbling, clueless husband who has to ask his wife's help in changing the batteries in the remote control, or starting the lawnmower. But is it the job of government to regulate such fluff? Those ads which show men as bumbling idiots are geared towards appealing to women, and getting them to open their pocketbooks. If that's what women want to see, and motivates them to buy things, should government step in to stop it? Same for ads that rely on gender stereotypes of women.

An admirable attempt at social engineering. Gender stereotypes observed in media are a major part of why human societies have rigid conceptions of gender roles in the first place. Getting rid of these portrayals is the first step towards undoing their impact.
 
I don't believe that encouraging the consumption of toxic substances is covered under the first amendment. The government has a vested interest in a healthy population.

It is covered under the 1st amendment and even if the government has a vested interest in it that doesn’t override constitutional rights
 
What citation are you referring to? I did not cite anything in the response you are replying to.

If you are referring to the citation to the Amendment to the Canadian Human Rights Act provided in a prior post, that was simply an example of "negative rights" enforcement legislation showing how speech in general can be restricted.

As for being held legally accountable for "mis-gendering" use of pronouns I was able to find this 2019 report:

Father Guilty Of 'Family Violence' For Calling His Trans Daughter A 'She'

I have a good faith belief that this is unlikely to be the only such incident...but I doubt Canadian news agencies would be willing to risk issues with the government by reporting any similar incidents publicly.

The Wikepdia article that you originally cited:
Jordan Peterson, a professor of psychology at the University of Toronto, criticized the bill, saying that it would compel speech. Peterson argued that the law would classify the failure to use preferred pronouns of transgender people as hate speech. According to legal experts, not using preferred pronouns would not meet legal standards for hate speech.

In regards to that case here it is in Canada's second largest newspaper, which is also left-leaning. It has literally nothing to do with the law you cited earlier but rather family law and if rejecting your child for being trans is considered emotional child abuse, just like if you called your child a faggot and kicked them out for being gay could be considered child abuse. Maybe if you got your information from real Canadian news sources you would not have this issue understanding Canadian laws.
 
It is covered under the 1st amendment and even if the government has a vested interest in it that doesn’t override constitutional rights

Actually it does. You can't advertise for cigarettes any more than you can for arsenic pills.
 
Oh yes it does. If you do not violate the English language to placate a trans person, there will be consequences for you. Not me, because I'm an American, but for Canadians, there are consequences because saying things like "A man is not a woman" is akin to hate speech and calling someone by their given name is considered aggressive. If you refuse to capitulate to the demands of the gender pronounce police, and use made-up words like "ze", or pluralize references to singular people, you somehow violate their (or is it 'zer'?) human rights.

Like I said it does not do that, at all. It makes advocating for the extermination of trans people illegal, it does not do what you say, even in the Wikipedia page Captain Adverse linked to it says:
According to legal experts, not using preferred pronouns would not meet legal standards for hate speech.
 
The Wikepdia article that you originally cited:


In regards to that case here it is in Canada's second largest newspaper, which is also left-leaning. It has literally nothing to do with the law you cited earlier but rather family law and if rejecting your child for being trans is considered emotional child abuse, just like if you called your child a faggot and kicked them out for being gay could be considered child abuse. Maybe if you got your information from real Canadian news sources you would not have this issue understanding Canadian laws.

From you own citation:

Legal experts say the decision will have an impact on the responsibilities of parents by altering family law. It means parents need to respect their kids’ chosen gender, pronouns and name.

I.e. parents MUST use the transgendered child's chosen pronouns or this is "child abuse."
 
From you own citation:



I.e. parents MUST use the transgendered child's chosen pronouns or this is "child abuse."

Is there a problem here? I think that parents SHOULD be forced to accept their trans kids. They brought them into the world, deal with the consequences.
 
Actually it does. You can't advertise for cigarettes any more than you can for arsenic pills.

It’s illegal to sell arsenic pills so it’s a corollary that’s it’s illegal to advertise to sell them. However it’s legal to sell tobacco.
 
From you own citation:



I.e. parents MUST use the transgendered child's chosen pronouns or this is "child abuse."

And I see you are misunderstanding what that means, it means rejecting your child for being trans is considered child abuse, which is consitent with exisitng laws that say:
threats, put downs, name calling or insults
constant yelling or criticism
controlling or keeping someone from seeing friends or family
making fun of preventing someone from practicing their faith or religion
destroying belongings, hurting pets or threatening to do so
bullying: intimidation or humiliation (including on the Internet).

MAY constitute emotional child abuse and doing what this parent did checks those boxes in a way the court found to be child abuse. It is like a parent constantly referring to their child who came out as gay a ****ing faggot. The father is very clearly trying to emotionally abuse his child. Why should trans people be excluded from those protections? Are laws against emotional abuse infringing on the right of the parents? This doesn't mean you are going to jail for misgendering someone.
 
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Like I said it does not do that, at all. It makes advocating for the extermination of trans people illegal, it does not do what you say, even in the Wikipedia page Captain Adverse linked to it says:

Let me ask you a very simple question. Is it considered "hate speech" in Canada if I interact with a biological male who presents as female and I refuse to call him "she" or use any other female pronouns during any or all of our interactions?

Have I violated any of the requirements under the Canadian Human Rights Act and Amendment to the Criminal Code I cited?
 
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Let me ask you a very simple question. Is it considered "hate speech" in Canada if I interact with a biological a male who asserts he is female and I refuse to call him "she" or use any other female pronouns during any or all of our interactions?

No, it is not. Here is a very thorough page with legal experts explaining what the law actually did, and how it does not criminalize misgendering someone. Basically constantly misgendering someone will only get you in trouble the same way harassing a black co-worker by constantly calling him the n-word would.
 
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Okay, then as long as no one is actually REQUIRED to use pronouns (personally I have no problem addressing anyone as they so choose, all they have to do is let me know), then I happily accept your correction.

Thank you. :)

And thank you we both got to learn. Something so rare on this site.
 
Honestly, advertising should just be banned entirely. This is stupid, but it's not like it's really a bad thing, just unnecessary.

After Google has circumvented my Ad Block for the millionth time, I'm prone to say that if you can get advertising banned, I'll look the other way. Google's greed has become gluttony; just try using Google images to find a historical photo, or a famous painting now, and Google arranges the first 50 results in a manner where every image is just a Product advertisement, usually from Amazon or Alibaba, to sell you something completely unrelated to your search.
 
No, it is not. Here is a very thorough page with legal experts explaining what the law actually did, and how it does not criminalize misgendering someone. Basically constantly misgendering someone will only get you in trouble the same way harassing a black co-worker by constantly calling him the n-word would.

Okay, then as long as no one is actually REQUIRED to use pronouns (personally I have no problem addressing anyone as they so choose, all they have to do is let me know), then I happily accept your correction.

Thank you. :)

My understanding of the law was that it only applied to employees of the Canadian government- anyone who works in any capacity for the Canadian government, would have to address a person by that person's chosen pro-noun. Not doing so would result in punishment, possibly hate crime charges. Jordan Peterson was most likely particularly offended by the bill, as it would affect him as a publicly paid university professor.
 
Yeah, but it was beyond its years...Serling was a genius imo...he was good at exposing the human psyche...

I haven't watched this particular series much, but from what I've seen, it was ahead of its time, and different than TV shows off its era.
 
Unless, of course, you wish to show folks actually drinking a beer in our US ads. That kind of free expression must be banned lest folks figure out that beer was made to drink.

Fair point. Why are pharmaceutical companies allowed to advertise their wares on TV, when their track record of promoting the public good for society is worse than most beer companies.
 
An admirable attempt at social engineering. Gender stereotypes observed in media are a major part of why human societies have rigid conceptions of gender roles in the first place. Getting rid of these portrayals is the first step towards undoing their impact.

I can disprove that fairly easily;

1. Gender roles were much more rigid in western societies before advertising companies even existed. This was so for 1,000 years of history. The term 'gender roles' didn't even exist 100 years ago. If you'd told an audience of westerners living in 1919 that men should be more feminine, and women should be encouraged to be more masculine, they would have looked at you like you were crazy. The freedom to choose your gender expression didn't even exist in western societies to any great degree until very recently, considering the volume of recorded history spans well over 1,000 years.

2. You'll never successfully biologically engineer males and females to abandon their natural proclivities regarding gender. What percentage of Americans or Brits are trans? 1%? Less than 1%?
 
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