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    And yet his insults were leaked, so it just shows that he wasnt particularly good ambassador and he deserved what he got.
    Are you trying to look stupid on purpose? I'm not going to debate idiots or baiters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    And yet his insults were leaked, so it just shows that he wasnt particularly good ambassador and he deserved what he got.
    Indeed. From this profile it isn't the first time his memos have leaked: Kim Darroch: urbane diplomat who knew how to throw a party | US news | The Guardian

    It may not have helped that a previous memo by Darroch was leaked to the Sunday Times in 2016 suggesting that Trump could be malleable and “open to outside influence if pitched right”.


    Seems to me if you were in his position and your memos have already been leaked then clearly he failed in what he did to cover himself from this happening again, or even to express himself in more nuanced phrases that would have raised no more than a knowing chuckle if they should enter the public domain.

    I'd be quite happy to see Farage as his replacement; every time Trump fires off a Twitter broadside to foreign climes he diminishes the point of Ambassadors and pre-21st century diplomatic hierarchies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sven Karma View Post
    Indeed. From this profile it isn't the first time his memos have leaked: Kim Darroch: urbane diplomat who knew how to throw a party | US news | The Guardian

    It may not have helped that a previous memo by Darroch was leaked to the Sunday Times in 2016 suggesting that Trump could be malleable and “open to outside influence if pitched right”.


    Seems to me if you were in his position and your memos have already been leaked then clearly he failed in what he did to cover himself from this happening again, or even to express himself in more nuanced phrases that would have raised no more than a knowing chuckle if they should enter the public domain.

    I'd be quite happy to see Farage as his replacement; every time Trump fires off a Twitter broadside to foreign climes he diminishes the point of Ambassadors and pre-21st century diplomatic hierarchies.
    Not sure why you, who has their lean as libertarian left, would want an alt-right stooge as an ambassador. That's before you even consider his complete lack of diplomatic skills or experience. Farage has built his reputation on portraying himself as a free-speaking opponent to the elite establishment*, which is the opposite attributes needed as an ambassador.

    *despite being educated at an elite school and going straight into a job as a commodity broker in the City.

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    The British ambassador was right about Trump

    We don’t know whether Mr. Darroch tried to explain that aberrant behavior in one of his cables. But he did write that the Trump administration was unlikely “to become substantially more normal; less dysfunctional; less unpredictable; less faction riven; less diplomatically clumsy and inept.” To which we can only say: Right you are, Mr. Ambassador.
    Boris Johnson and Donald Trump should get along famously. Both are self-serving and hard core supporters of Brexit.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
    The British ambassador was right about Trump



    Boris Johnson and Donald Trump should get along famously. Both are self-serving and hard core supporters of Brexit.
    and Farage as UK ambassador to the the US (as previously suggested) would magnificently complement the trio.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aristaeus View Post
    Not sure why you, who has their lean as libertarian left, would want an alt-right stooge as an ambassador. That's before you even consider his complete lack of diplomatic skills or experience. Farage has built his reputation on portraying himself as a free-speaking opponent to the elite establishment*, which is the opposite attributes needed as an ambassador.

    *despite being educated at an elite school and going straight into a job as a commodity broker in the City.
    Since it would entail Farage's departure from the European Parliament, block off his possible arrival in the UK Parliament and probably result in the Brexit Party going belly-up sooner rather than later, any possible downsides to him being our man in Washington seem pretty trivial.

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    ‘It Could Have Been Any of Us’: Disdain for Trump Runs Among Ambassadors

    Leaks tell us everything about the feral rage coursing through Brexit patriots.


    Sir Kim Darroch in 2017..

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    WASHINGTON — Ask members of the Washington diplomatic corps about the cables that Sir Kim Darroch, the British ambassador who resigned Wednesday, wrote to London describing the dysfunction and chaos of the Trump administration, and their response is uniform: We wrote the same stuff. “Yes, yes, everyone does,” Gérard Araud, who retired this spring as the French ambassador, said on Wednesday morning of his own missives from Washington. “But fortunately I knew that nothing would remain secret, so I sent them in a most confidential manner.” So did Mr. Darroch, who, alone and with Mr. Araud, tried to navigate the minefield of serving as the chief representative of a longtime American ally to a president who does not think much of the value of alliances. Mr. Darroch submitted his resignation the morning after Boris Johnson, who this month is likely to become Britain’s next prime minister, notably declined during a televised debate to defend the diplomat and also refused to criticize President Trump. In his resignation letter, Mr. Darroch said the furor over his characterization of the Trump administration made it impossible for him to carry out his role. “Although my posting is not due to end until the end of this year, I believe in the current circumstances the responsible course is to allow the appointment of a new ambassador,” he wrote.

    Until Mr. Darroch’s confidential cables appeared in The Daily Mail over the weekend, none of the major ambassadors in Washington had been denounced by Mr. Trump as “wacky” or “very stupid” — descriptors that the envoy’s friends were quick to say hardly applied to one of Britain’s most sophisticated diplomats and former national security advisers. Mr. Johnson’s failure to back the ambassador was met with withering criticism from opponents, including his rival in the leadership race, Jeremy Hunt, the current foreign secretary. Foreign diplomats in Washington these days describe living in something of a black hole. Decisions that directly affect their nations’ trade relationships or troops are delivered with no notice. Their contacts in the State and Treasury Departments as well as in Congress freely tell them they have little idea what decisions Mr. Trump may make. On Tuesday, Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin called Mr. Darroch and suggested that maybe it would be better if the British envoy reversed his plans to attend a small dinner that evening for the emir of Qatar, given that Mr. Trump would be there. Then came the question of whether the ambassador could accompany visiting British ministers to meetings at the White House or with cabinet members. With only a few months left in his ambassadorship, Mr. Darroch decided there was no reason to find out.
    I highly doubt Sir Darroch is an outlier among foreign ambassadors in Washington these days. It is no secret that the Trump administration is dysfunctional. Trump often makes decisions by 'gut instinct' or via Fox News pundits rather than by acquiring facts and employing critical thinking. As if that were not bad enough, Trump is mercurial, often changing his mind more than once within a single day. And he won't hesitate to throw his Cabinet people under the bus and nullify their official statements. Self-serving and self-absorbed, his personal needs are always the prime consideration.

    Related: Kim Darroch was undone by the enemy within


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    Anyone else see Andrew Neill's interviews with Hunt and Johnson tonight?

    Neill remains one of the hardest hitting interviewers still operating on TV and he takes no prisoners. Johnson's claims of his mayoral success and crime were exposed ruthlessly tonight - however as I have stated repeatedly, he will be the new PM. Brexiteers just don't / won't care about him being such a weak contender.
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