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UK’s Johnson threatens to withhold $50 billion Brexit payment

Buzz62 said:
And yet...YOU never say anything of value.
However...were you to speak below the opening of a air balloon, I bet you could make it float.
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I think the issue of giving your offerings any consideration at all has already been addressed.

Thanks for confirming that and bye.
 
Chagos said:
I think the issue of giving your offerings any consideration at all has already been addressed.

Thanks for confirming that and bye.
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I don't blame you. It must be terrible to be beat over the head with your own lack of anything more than pompous accusations.
You should try to arm yourself better.
 
Buzz62 said:
Huh...I don't see a problem here either. Why doesn't someone who thinks they know, explain?

I was in Prague when the EU began imposing its will on the Czechs.
Not only was there an immediate flood of Polish workers...who tended to crap in corners of the buildings they were working on and cover it with news print...but there was and remains, a long list of stupid EU directives. For instance, the Czechs make a sweet rum called Tuzemak. It was, for a long long time, Ceske Rum. The EU decided that Ceske Rum could no longer be labeled as "rum". Through the EU, Germany has forced products and asinine regulations on all the "new" members. From urinals to food products, the EU's primary goal is to force member states to adhere to regulations and products that drive prices up and heavily favor German/EU interests alone, with no regard at all for national traditions and cost of living. The EU "refugee" demands were simply the last straw, in a mountain of hay heaped on the backs of Czech people.

In short...the EU is a gathering of self-imposed dictators and pompous asses who have no regard for anything but their own power-base. They need to be stopped immediately before they actually have a military. Man Europe...don't give guns to pompous asses. That would be a very bad idea.

But as Fletch has asked...what's the problem? Can anyone actually defend this gaggle of bastards?
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You're not Fletch and because you're not Fletch, you actually put some substance in your response, so it's NOT "gaslighting" and it's NOT some stupid childish game. We might not agree on a lot of things but I recognize intelligence when I see it and your post above definitely qualifies.

Look, you made excellent points but I will confess that I am NOT qualified to weigh in as to whether Brexit is good or bad, or whether the EU is good or bad overall. You made excellent points about the EU acting in an overbearing manner WRT to longstanding national traditions and cultural touchstones.
I'd like to believe that taking a dump in the corner of a building and throwing newspaper over it isn't a cultural touchstone but it might just be a longstanding tradition. Was that a Polish form of protest, maybe? :lamo
Sure, I can see that happening.

So no, it's not "as Fletch asked", it's as YOU asked, and you actually fleshed out your response by actually setting your thoughts and opinions on the table. So with all due respect, I don't tend to see your post as the same category as Fletch's.
And enough about him, let's talk about your views of the EU.

So, you tend to believe that the EU has too much centralized or "federal" power.
Okay, I'll buy that for a dollar.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
You're not Fletch and because you're not Fletch, you actually put some substance in your response, so it's NOT "gaslighting" and it's NOT some stupid childish game. We might not agree on a lot of things but I recognize intelligence when I see it and your post above definitely qualifies.

Look, you made excellent points but I will confess that I am NOT qualified to weigh in as to whether Brexit is good or bad, or whether the EU is good or bad overall. You made excellent points about the EU acting in an overbearing manner WRT to longstanding national traditions and cultural touchstones.
I'd like to believe that taking a dump in the corner of a building and throwing newspaper over it isn't a cultural touchstone but it might just be a longstanding tradition. Was that a Polish form of protest, maybe? :lamo
Sure, I can see that happening.

So no, it's not "as Fletch asked", it's as YOU asked, and you actually fleshed out your response by actually setting your thoughts and opinions on the table. So with all due respect, I don't tend to see your post as the same category as Fletch's.
And enough about him, let's talk about your views of the EU.

So, you tend to believe that the EU has too much centralized or "federal" power.
Okay, I'll buy that for a dollar.
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Groovy.
So...anyone else care to explain what the issue is with this?
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
~.........................So, you tend to believe that the EU has too much centralized or "federal" power................~
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Just to put some perspective onto that Rum example, the EU (like many other countries or entities) does not allow the producers of potato-starch based beverages to be sold under the name "Rum". It requires that the product be distilled from sugar cane.

It doesn't allow any seller of simple ethanol to distribute their product under the label of whisky either, be that Scotch or Bourbon.

Tuzemák is incidentally enjoying a 5 year exemption from another EU restriction at the moment, it's name simply means "Inlander" and that's what it had to be changed to when the Czechs joined up in 2003, thus having to give up their claim over it being rum.

The restriction mentioned above incidentally concerns the addition of an aromatic that has raised suspicions over being carcinogenic. Nevertheless a grace period was granted to the product as long as this sort of gut-rot is consumed only domestically in the Czech Republic.

As far as the mindless claim is concerned of Germany having pushed thru restrictions via the EU to protect its own interests, Germany doesn't produce any Rum at all.

As far as any gaslighting is concerned, it wouldn't really matter to me. What is confirmed in this particular instance however is that the poster is as ignorant of European issues as I stated.

Before I forget, crapping into corners where that shouldn't happen at all is not an exclusively Polish problem. I've seen Brits do it down here (Spain) and I've even heard of some Czechs doing it in Germany. Not to mention a certain brand of Canadian doing it in this very forum, even if only figuratively.

To any sensible debate it's all completely irrelevant.
 
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Buzz62 said:
~ For instance, the Czechs make a sweet rum called Tuzemak. It was, for a long long time, Ceske Rum. The EU decided that Ceske Rum could no longer be labeled as "rum" ~
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Can we have some more fake news please? This one was really funny. I've spent time in Slovakia as I've mentioned in this forum plenty of times and I remember the Slovaks often being very proud to have got one over on the Czechs for "Tuzemský rum."

But then we should bring the EU down for daring to ask a manufacturer to label a product correctly. I'll pee into a bottle and call it "Canadian Whisky" - it'll probably be genuine to those who hate the EU. I might even get the EU to ban it so I can claim the EU is a "fascist superstate" too.

PoS said:
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Legal hazards but no default seen if Britain doesn't pay Brexit bill - Reuters

Boris is on good ground here. You people hate it just because you dont like him, but he is what the UK needs right now- a strong competent leader.
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OK. I asked you to tell me "What other country had defaulted due to political disagreement and not had its rating negatively affected?"

You stated to Chagos that he could debate so I am asking you to prove that you can. Your own link fails to support you beyond semantics.

Failing to make the payment could still have serious implications, however.

The rating agencies have already warned Britain would almost certainly be downgraded again, and possibly by two notches from its current double-A, if it tumbled out of the EU without a transition deal, as withholding the divorce cash could imply.

S&P believes the EU would not commence discussions on a fresh relationship with the UK unless London commits to making good on its obligations. Lawyers, meanwhile, warn that it could end up in a damaging clash in the international courts.

“I am quite clear that we (Britain) have to pay what is owed up to the date we leave as a matter of law,” said Ros Kellaway, head of Eversheds Sutherland’s Competition, EU and Trade Group.

“So there would be a default (if payments were not made) and we could end up in front of the international court in The Hague. That is quite straightforward.”
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Why did you ignore that part from your link??
 
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Infinite Chaos said:
Can we have some more fake news please? This one was really funny. I've spent time in Slovakia as I've mentioned in this forum plenty of times and I remember the Slovaks often being very proud to have got one over on the Czechs for "Tuzemský rum."

But then we should bring the EU down for daring to ask a manufacturer to label a product correctly. I'll pee into a bottle and call it "Canadian Whisky" - it'll probably be genuine to those who hate the EU. I might even get the EU to ban it so I can claim the EU is a "fascist superstate" too.
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Hmmm...ok a pissing contest it is then.
See...My father's family came from the Slovak/Hungarian border. I've been there. I have relatives still there...one looks like my Father...poor bugger. :mrgreen:
I also own property in the suburbs of Prague, where my wife's family ran the village pub (Hospoda). I know Tuzemak...almost intimately. I still keep a 40 of it tucked away for the occasional shot in coffee. And Czech people did not appreciate being told to take the name "rum" off the labels. It was a slight. It was also...stupid.

I win. :cool:

After thought: And seeing that you know less about Rye than you do about Ceske Rum, you might wanna cease and desist with that line of thought.
 
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Amazing the level of self-awareness lack one gets to see displayed here. Amazing in its manifestation of accusing others of providing nothing of substance, to then not only do what others are accused of, but to actually provide what is clearly shown as a load of bull. IOW the offered substance thus being pure bovine manure.

Most amazing the lack of self-awareness then demonstrated in still believing to have won anything at all, when to any reader not completely brainless the level of committed self-immolation of argument is so apparent.

To re-iterate the only thing that is pertinent in this whole stupid exchange, calling something that is not rum just that is.............well........just that.

Preventing those trying to sell the filthy brew under that name is also just that. Whether its consumption does anything to the consumers brain I wouldn't know.:mrgreen:
 
Meanwhile Johnson is proposing that as a nation we renege on our debt, which is what the payment is. That should help us mend fences with our nearest, biggest, trading partner with whom we just broke up! It's his mendacious claim about the NHS version 2.
 
Manc Skipper said:
Meanwhile Johnson is proposing that as a nation we renege on our debt, which is what the payment is. That should help us mend fences with our nearest, biggest, trading partner with whom we just broke up! It's his mendacious claim about the NHS version 2.
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Well, he has a point, it's just that his real message is encoded.

Remove the code and it reads "If you think I was already an insane idiot when I was still peddling news from Brussels in my pen-pushing days, look how far I've now progressed."

Clicking the audio button will show insane peals of laughter to follow.
 
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Buzz62 said:
Hmmm...ok a pissing contest it is then.
See...My father's family came from the Slovak/Hungarian border. I've been there.
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I still get a couple of crates of Tokaj whenever I get the chance to visit my favourite vineyards.

Buzz62 said:
I know Tuzemak...almost intimately. I still keep a 40 of it tucked away for the occasional shot in coffee ~
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Considering the health risk, I wouldn't brag. Anyhow, if you are intimately familiar - why would you lie and claim it was the EU that forced the change of the fake name? Are you also going to deny the 21 deaths in the Czech Republic from drinking this horrible fake "rum?"

I think you've had a bit too much of that Canadian whisky?
 
Chagos said:
Well, he has a point, it's just that his real message is encoded.

Remove the code and it reads "If you think I was already an insane idiot when I was still peddling news from Brussels in my pen-pushing days, look how far I've now progressed."

Clicking the audio button will show insane peals of laughter to follow.
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"Self-serving idiot" - he's coveted number 10 ever since his school junior at Eton won it before him.
 
DarkWizard12 said:
More disrupting than the uncertainty of whether or the UK is going to leave? At least if it's without a trade deal, the market will be quick to price in the consequences, and the UK government can quickly see where the deficit lies and conclude new trade deals individually to make up for the losses. This uncertainty doesn't do anyone any good.
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There will be no new trade deals with the EU until the debt is paid. That is the only "certainty".
 
It should be remembered that this Boris-bollocks is what got us into this position, and he's throwing out red meat for the "people" (Tory MP's) who will choose the final two for PM, who will then go forward to be voted on by the entire geriatric membership. He may or may not actually believe it, and he's making a cynical ploy to win the prize. It's a bizaarre contest to watch each candidate set out to prove they're a bigger **** than the others.

Matthew Parris (ex-Tory MP) really doesn't like Johnson. Can you tell by his "Times" comment column?

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Infinite Chaos said:
OK. I asked you to tell me "What other country had defaulted due to political disagreement and not had its rating negatively affected?"

You stated to Chagos that he could debate so I am asking you to prove that you can. Your own link fails to support you beyond semantics.



Why did you ignore that part from your link??
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I have provided you with a direct link that specifically answers the issue of whether the ratings agencies will downgrade the UK, and that was answered. I'm not falling for your tricks. The fact is that the EU stands more to lose in this, and the only important matter is the legal one, but since that will take years, it will give plenty of time for negotiations.

Trump will support the UK, so all will be well:

Trump tells Britain to 'walk away' if EU does not yield on Brexit - Reuters
 
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PoS said:
I have provided you with a direct link that specifically answers the issue of whether the ratings agencies will downgrade the UK, and that was answered. I'm not falling for your tricks. The fact is that the EU stands more to lose in this, and the only important matter is the legal one, but since that will take years, it will give plenty of time for negotiations.

Trump will support the UK, so all will be well:

Trump tells Britain to 'walk away' if EU does not yield on Brexit - Reuters
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Wow... YOU made a claim then I asked you to clarify it and your link doesn't even support you but I am playing tricks? You've always eventually resorted to dishonesty and blather eventually in your debates but this is a new low for you.
The funny part in this thread is where you claimed other posters who refused to give your weak arguments any time "couldn't debate."
 
Manc Skipper said:
It should be remembered that this Boris-bollocks is what got us into this position, and he's throwing out red meat for the "people" (Tory MP's) who will choose the final two for PM, who will then go forward to be voted on by the entire geriatric membership. He may or may not actually believe it, and he's making a cynical ploy to win the prize. It's a bizaarre contest to watch each candidate set out to prove they're a bigger **** than the others.

Matthew Parris (ex-Tory MP) really doesn't like Johnson. Can you tell by his "Times" comment column?

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Don't forget he's a racist as well.
 
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Infinite Chaos said:
I still get a couple of crates of Tokaj whenever I get the chance to visit my favourite vineyards.



Considering the health risk, I wouldn't brag. Anyhow, if you are intimately familiar - why would you lie and claim it was the EU that forced the change of the fake name? Are you also going to deny the 21 deaths in the Czech Republic from drinking this horrible fake "rum?"

I think you've had a bit too much of that Canadian whisky?
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Tokaj...I know that stuff pretty intimately as well. Its made where my family comes from.
And as far as I know, there is a "potential" health risk. If that scares you, don't indulge. But don't call me a liar when you have no idea what the hell you're talking about.
It has been the source of more heated topics related to EU accession: the worry that many local products might not survive the streamlining of food products within a single European market, for both health and business reasons. Czech Slivovice, or plum brandy - a favourite in Moravia, Moravia's Oloumocky syrecky, a kind of smelly cheese, both theoretically at risk, and of course the alcoholic beverage known in the Czech Republic as Rum Tuzemsky, Domestic Rum. In line with its aim to provide consumers with essential and accurate information, the EU has stipulated that the Czech beverage must no longer go by the name of "rum" since, by strict definition, it isn't. But, Vladimir Steiner, the production director at Stock Pilsen-Bozkov, one of the Czech Republic's largest brand-alcohol producers, says that that was never a problem in the past.
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Last Call for Czech Rum | Radio Prague

Ahoj.
 
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Infinite Chaos said:
Wow... YOU made a claim then I asked you to clarify it and your link doesn't even support you but I am playing tricks? You've always eventually resorted to dishonesty and blather eventually in your debates but this is a new low for you.
The funny part in this thread is where you claimed other posters who refused to give your weak arguments any time "couldn't debate."
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Excuse me? You demanded to know if the ratings agencies were going to downgrade, and I gave you a direct answer to it. What is clear here is that you went off on a tangent and it has become your sole point in this debate, which is very dishonest. Stick to the subject matter.
 
Re: UK’s Johnson threatens to withhold $50 billion Brexit payment

Infinite Chaos said:
Wow... YOU made a claim then I asked you to clarify it and your link doesn't even support you but I am playing tricks? You've always eventually resorted to dishonesty and blather eventually in your debates but this is a new low for you. The funny part in this thread is where you claimed other posters who refused to give your weak arguments any time "couldn't debate."
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Things I discovered quite a while ago via his ineffectual defenses of Russia.
 
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Tokaji is a wine made from grapes and there's no reason to deny it that label (of wine), while the Czech gut rot has nothing to do with rum at all.

Pitiful to watch someone whose argument has been so soundly thrashed, insist that he is still right. Some people have no antenna for the extent to which they keep embarrassing themselves.
 
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