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UK’s Johnson threatens to withhold $50 billion Brexit payment

As for the threat. It has been floated before and is idiotic and suicidal. It is basically a default and would mean that any future negotiation with the EU would be problematic.

On top of that, any country outside the EU wanting a trade deal or treaty would think twice because if the UK is willing to screw over the EU, then what on earth are they not willing to do with them?

And the EU can play that game as well..any country making a deal with the UK, will lose any trade deal with the EU... Not that the EU would do such a thing.

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Rexedgar said:
Dissolving Parliament? Is that within the Crown’s power? What are the conditions for use of this maneuver?
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Well, a coup (prorogation of Parliament) would do nicely.
 
Rexedgar said:
Dissolving Parliament? Is that within the Crown’s power? What are the conditions for use of this maneuver?
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Unfortunately it looks like she can't. One of the first things David Cameron and the Tories did in 2011 was to remove that ability...

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Chagos said:
If you need to have matters explained to you, you profess your ignorance.

Where that is a good approach of itself, it precludes you from seeing (or not seeing) anything at all.
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Just another Fletch gaslighting routine. Don't feed it, it only grows into something gassier.
 
Chagos said:
already accounted for in the current deal or will be accounted for NopeNope.
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I disagree. If Boris plays it tough then the EU ministers will bend over like they always do.
 
PoS said:
I disagree. If Boris plays it tough then the EU ministers will bend over like they always do.
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You're not really up to date with this whole thing, are you?

Nor with the last 3 years.
 
PeteEU said:
I think it is time for the Queen to step in and dissolve parliament and call new elections. Why? Boris and Co are planning a coup. They want the Queen to put parliament in recess until after Brexit date, to force a hard Brexit. By putting Parliament in recess, the new Conservative PM can avoid having a vote of no confidence against him/her and being forced into an election before October and Brexit....

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Why not just let the UK go? This practically amounts to an abusive divorce.
 
Chagos said:
You're not really up to date with this whole thing, are you?

Nor with the last 3 years.
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May tried the soft approach, it failed. I hope Boris becomes PM and carries through.
 
DarkWizard12 said:
Why not just let the UK go? This practically amounts to an abusive divorce.
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It is a divorce.. and the UK has obligations it needs to pay. On top of that there is of course the Irish border issue and other issues that have to be figured out, but the UK .. well, the Tories, are against any logical and practical solution.
 
PoS said:
May tried the soft approach, it failed. I hope Boris becomes PM and carries through.
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It's already been explained to you that the UK defaulting on financial commitments means OTHER nations would think twice about dealing with a nation that reneges on its commitments.

What makes you think defaulting on commitments with the 2nd biggest economic trading area in the world is the cleverest thing anyone could do?
 
Infinite Chaos said:
It's already been explained to you that the UK defaulting on financial commitments means OTHER nations would think twice about dealing with a nation that reneges on its commitments.

What makes you think defaulting on commitments with the 2nd biggest economic trading area in the world is the cleverest thing anyone could do?
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Defaulting on long term infrastructure projects because you are leaving the union is not the same as say defaulting on loans that benefit you directly. Any idiot can see that this is just a political stunt by the EU since paying for these projects will no longer benefit the UK directly, so a change is needed in the Brexit agreement. Boris is correct.
 
PoS said:
Defaulting on long term infrastructure projects because you are leaving the union is not the same as say defaulting on loans that benefit you directly. Any idiot can see that this is just a political stunt by the EU since paying for these projects will no longer benefit the UK directly, so a change is needed in the Brexit agreement. Boris is correct.
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Lol you are clueless. The largest portion of the money is for pensions for EU workers and not infrastructure projects. Why? Because the end of the EU budget years is near and of course the UK has zero obligations into the next budget but does have to the previous...

And yes the Anglo American ratings agencies have said it is technically (according to thier definitions) not a default, but will have grave consequences resembling one. Considering this is the same ratings agencies that gave crap AAA ratings and clearly favour the Anglo World of business over others, then it is quite damaging comments by them.

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PoS said:
Defaulting on long term infrastructure projects because you are leaving the union is not the same as say defaulting on loans that benefit you directly. Any idiot can see that this is just a political stunt by the EU since paying for these projects will no longer benefit the UK directly, so a change is needed in the Brexit agreement. Boris is correct.
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the glories of C & P
Chagos said:
You're not really up to date with this whole thing, are you?.............
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:mrgreen:
 
PeteEU said:
Lol you are clueless. The largest portion of the money is for pensions for EU workers and not infrastructure projects. Why? Because the end of the EU budget years is near and of course the UK has zero obligations into the next budget but does have to the previous...

And yes the Anglo American ratings agencies have said it is technically (according to thier definitions) not a default, but will have grave consequences resembling one. Considering this is the same ratings agencies that gave crap AAA ratings and clearly favour the Anglo World of business over others, then it is quite damaging comments by them.

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Your second paragraph pretty much supports my argument. This wont be a credit default by any means. If the UK is to pay the "divorce settlement" it will do so due to an honorable commitment, but if the EU plays hardball, then by all means the UK should withhold it. Defaulting wont affect the UK-US relationship in the slightest, and the EU needs the money more than it admits, so the spineless Europeans will fold before it becomes a reality.

Chagos said:
the glories of C & P :mrgreen:
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Grow up and actually debate for once.
 
PoS said:
Your second paragraph pretty much supports my argument. This wont be a credit default by any means. If the UK is to pay the "divorce settlement" it will do so due to an honorable commitment, but if the EU plays hardball, then by all means the UK should withhold it. Defaulting wont affect the UK-US relationship in the slightest, and the EU needs the money more than it admits, so the spineless Europeans will fold before it becomes a reality..
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This default not actually a default argument is like a child denying it shat in the swimming pool on the grounds it had diarrhoea rather than laying a big turd.
 
Sven Karma said:
This default not actually a default argument is like a child denying it shat in the swimming pool on the grounds it had diarrhoea rather than laying a big turd.
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According to an article Ive read lawyers in the UK government have advised that the country is not obligated in any way to pay for this divorce bill the moment it leaves the bloc. So its up to the Euros to decide how it wants to move forward. Its in the UK's best interest to make Boris the PM if they want to pull off a smooth Brexit.
 
PoS said:
So its up to the Euros to decide how it wants to move forward. Its in the UK's best interest to make Boris the PM if they want to pull off a smooth Brexit.
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A smooth Brexit is music to most ears, but I think we can all agree that Brexit will not end smoothly.

There's far too many conflicts of interests for any smoothness.
 
PoS said:
~...................Grow up and actually debate for once.........~
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With you constantly mantra-ing your opinion like some old vinyl with the needle stuck, while disregarding anything that is posted on them, what debate is there in that?

Take your own advice :roll:
 
The idiocy here (and outside of here) lies in offering actual support to those deluded enough to still believe that the UK is the dog while the EU is the tail (that the UK can wag as it pleases).

Still clinging to idiotic mantras like, for instance, the German industry will force Merkel to roll over onto her back and allow for the UK shaft.

There is really no helping those people because if the last three years have taught them nothing, then nothing else will either.

Debating them is like trying to teach a kid that 2 + 2 = 4, while the kid insists on the sum being 5. IOW not worth the effort on account of being totally pointless.
 
Chagos said:
With you constantly mantra-ing your opinion like some old vinyl with the needle stuck, while disregarding anything that is posted on them, what debate is there in that?

Take your own advice :roll:
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I presented an argument, while you predictably engaged in ad homs which contributed nothing. Care to try again?
 
PoS said:
I presented an argument, while you predictably engaged in ad homs which contributed nothing. Care to try again?
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Showing the ignorance that an argument is based upon is not an ad hom. If I'd wanted to engage in an ad hom, I'd have called you stupid outright.

But never mind, I'm done with you here so you needn't even waste your or anybody elses's time by responding.

All the best and bye.
 
Chagos said:
Showing the ignorance that an argument is based upon is not an ad hom. If I'd wanted to engage in an ad hom, I'd have called you stupid outright.

But never mind, I'm done with you here so you needn't even waste your or anybody elses's time by responding.

All the best and bye.
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Ah so its back to name calling. I once thought you capable of honest debate, I guess I was wrong on that part.
 
PoS said:
Your second paragraph pretty much supports my argument. This wont be a credit default by any means. If the UK is to pay the "divorce settlement" it will do so due to an honorable commitment, but if the EU plays hardball, then by all means the UK should withhold it. Defaulting wont affect the UK-US relationship in the slightest, and the EU needs the money more than it admits, so the spineless Europeans will fold before it becomes a reality.



Grow up and actually debate for once.
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LOL you live in a freaking different universe.

1) The UK-US relationship is fully dependent on what the US wants. The UK will be a vassal state of the US if not worse if it moves even more towards the US.
2) By not paying the divorce bill, the UK will become untrustable in the financial markets and politically. That will matter and you even trying to gloss over it, shows how little you know and how biased you are.
3) Calling the EU spineless and insulting 27 nations and 500 million people is pathetic. Face the facts for once in your life. The EU has been playing hardball the whole time, and it is the British who have failed time and time again to come up with a plan that could be accepted.. why? Because the British dont know what the hell they are doing or want.

The EU has been open and transparent from the start on what conditions it has, and we still don't know what the **** the Brits want or have as a solution to the key problems.. The British think they can have their cake and eat it (or whatever the saying is), and life is not like that.

The Brits want to leave, fine, but in no way would it be in the interest of the EU members, that the British would retain the same access without any consequences and this part the British right wing do not understand. They do not even understand what going under WTO rules actually means and they have lied constantly to the British public. At the same time, the government with its ministers and backers who will benefit financially from Brexit and some even links to Putin, have failed time after time to get basic agreements (that they did not need to leave in the first place) on everything from nuclear power to airline access to even guaranteeing that British pensioners can live within the EU without too much fuss. They have also failed to guarantee EU citizens in the UK and have in fact worked damn hard to make it as hard as possible for EU citizens to remain.. why is that?

So stop making the EU the bad guy here.. no it is clear for even the neutral viewer (and no I am not one), that the root problem here is the Tory party. The UK could have been out of the EU months ago, but nooooo the Tories had to get in bed with racist sexist Northern Irish assholes who want war.. and guess what, the chance of the troubles getting hot again are going up day by day thanks to Farage and Boris.. Congrats!
 
PeteEU said:
LOL you live in a freaking different universe.

1) The UK-US relationship is fully dependent on what the US wants. The UK will be a vassal state of the US if not worse if it moves even more towards the US.
2) By not paying the divorce bill, the UK will become untrustable in the financial markets and politically. That will matter and you even trying to gloss over it, shows how little you know and how biased you are.
3) Calling the EU spineless and insulting 27 nations and 500 million people is pathetic. Face the facts for once in your life. The EU has been playing hardball the whole time, and it is the British who have failed time and time again to come up with a plan that could be accepted.. why? Because the British dont know what the hell they are doing or want.

The EU has been open and transparent from the start on what conditions it has, and we still don't know what the **** the Brits want or have as a solution to the key problems.. The British think they can have their cake and eat it (or whatever the saying is), and life is not like that.

The Brits want to leave, fine, but in no way would it be in the interest of the EU members, that the British would retain the same access without any consequences and this part the British right wing do not understand. They do not even understand what going under WTO rules actually means and they have lied constantly to the British public. At the same time, the government with its ministers and backers who will benefit financially from Brexit and some even links to Putin, have failed time after time to get basic agreements (that they did not need to leave in the first place) on everything from nuclear power to airline access to even guaranteeing that British pensioners can live within the EU without too much fuss. They have also failed to guarantee EU citizens in the UK and have in fact worked damn hard to make it as hard as possible for EU citizens to remain.. why is that?

So stop making the EU the bad guy here.. no it is clear for even the neutral viewer (and no I am not one), that the root problem here is the Tory party. The UK could have been out of the EU months ago, but nooooo the Tories had to get in bed with racist sexist Northern Irish assholes who want war.. and guess what, the chance of the troubles getting hot again are going up day by day thanks to Farage and Boris.. Congrats!
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Who do the Northern Irish have a beef with? The rest of Ireland?
 
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