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Groundhog Day - EU elections 2019

Speaking of groundhogs, didn't the Electoral Commission give a weeks notice of an investigation last time as well?

Electoral Commission to visit Brexit party offices over funding concerns | Politics | The Guardian
The very English manifestation of politeness no doubt, don't visit unannounced.

I expect the same treatment from any visitors myself, but the expatriate Krauts hereabouts just don't get it.:mrgreen:

That's not intended to be a pejorative term in its use BTW, if I'd wanted to go that way I'd have switched to French and called them boches.:lol:
 
Unless the advanced search on here is wrong you said nothing when Jo Cox was, like, murdered, so to start whining 'cos Farage's suit got mussed with some flavoured milk clearly shows your absolute moral nullity.

You should withdraw that garbage because I wasn't on the forum in 2016.
 
Impossible to hold a serious discussion with xenophobic Russia haters who habitually resort to racial stereotyping.

Perhaps, before mocking, someone can explain the Labour Party's policy on Brexit. According to Corbyn (what would he know) it is a policy of supporting Brexit, only of course a Labour customs union Brexit.

Fact.

If anything I should count Labour as a Brexit party. They are certainly not a Remain party - at least not publicly.

Those who casually accuse others of dis-honesty should take a long hard look in the mirror before making such vacuous and puerile slurs which reflect hate and bigotry not rationality or reasoning. They are an embarrassment to themselves.

What race is "Russian"?
 
You should withdraw that garbage because I wasn't on the forum in 2016.
Takes nothing from the inanity of assigning martyrdom to Farage.

And if you had wanted to generally decry violence in the political theatre of the UK, there was nothing to stop you from going back 2 years.

Nope, you pick to your convenience and that's why you're seen for what you are.

"Moral nullity" fits.
 
So sorry @Westphalian, the forum mobile layout omits join dates. Though I don't see anything about Jo Cox from your previous alts 'Bavarian', 'Schlezwig-Holsteiner' etc. Gosh, it seems you're a 'Professor'. Of what? The evidence suggests it's not Moral Philosophy.
 
So sorry @Westphalian, the forum mobile layout omits join dates. Though I don't see anything about Jo Cox from your previous alts 'Bavarian', 'Schlezwig-Holsteiner' etc. Gosh, it seems you're a 'Professor'. Of what? The evidence suggests it's not Moral Philosophy.

Well, I've just noticed that I'm sage, but thankfully not also parsley, rosemary and thyme. Because no way am I going to Scarborough for the fair.(shudder)
 
Well, I've just noticed that I'm sage, but thankfully not also parsley, rosemary and thyme. Because no way am I going to Scarborough for the fair.(shudder)

You should start a band. Sage Against The Machine.
 
Someone went to the trouble to look up all the Farage party candidates. Quite a rabid bunch!

"From gay conversion therapy advocates to supporters of paedophilia legalisation, from climate change deniers to rampant tax avoiders, from NHS abolitionists to besties of neo-Nazis, from fracking supporters to unabashed profiteers of chaos…"

This is everything I discovered about >all< of The Brexit Party MEP candidates.

Sounds like Trump's White House!
 
Someone went to the trouble to look up all the Farage party candidates. Quite a rabid bunch!

"From gay conversion therapy advocates to supporters of paedophilia legalisation, from climate change deniers to rampant tax avoiders, from NHS abolitionists to besties of neo-Nazis, from fracking supporters to unabashed profiteers of chaos…"

This is everything I discovered about >all< of The Brexit Party MEP candidates.

Sounds like Trump's White House!

In both cases I'm often reminded of the title of a great Ross Thomas novel: 'The Fools in Town are on Our Side'.
 
The way the Tories are continuing on their path to oblivion, I'm setting up a dissolvent cocktail to make it easier to eat my hat.

On account of my hasty presumption of:
~...................... and Johnson won't be the chief honcho in Britain either...........~.
And for that very same reason I shan't be predicting that a shallow opportunist like Leadsom will fall under the back-stabbing game soon to come.

However, what can be safely predicted is that May gone will improve nothing for the Tories, let alone the country.
 
Lol at the way we now have 3 days of omerta as to the result.

Judging from other forums, Brexiteers have Brexited, but a lot of life-long Labour voters will have carried on where the local elections started and voted LibDem, and we just have the Ozymandias of Michael Heseltine to gaze upon to see how the rational side of the Tory heart has been hollowed-out. When I voted at lunch-time, the poll station people said about 125/750 people had voted, so somewhere between 30-40% participation would be my guess.I joked that I'd been telling Leave voters that if they voted for both the Brexit Party and UKIP their vote would count double.

I voted Green. AMA.
 


Nigel Farage's Brexit Party is a runawayway winner in the vote with an Ipsos Mori poll yesterday putting them on 35 per cent. The Liberal Democrats come next on 20 percent with Labour mustering only 15 per cent. UKIP became irrelevant after Farage's departure but he is back to politics in a big way.
 
Lol at the way we now have 3 days of omerta as to the result.
Something to do (at least in the official narrative everywhere) of not influencing votes still to be be done in other countries.

Pretty stupid really, considering predictions via exit polls are not prohibited, either from being made or reported upon.
I joked that I'd been telling Leave voters that if they voted for both the Brexit Party and UKIP their vote would count double.
lol

I've been telling others that down here Vox is pro Catalan independence.
 
Well, come June 7th, we'll be rid of one idjit in No. 10 and can wait for the next one.

One can only hope that he or she won't be on the brink of tears when time for their bye-bye speech comes.:roll:
 
Something to do (at least in the official narrative everywhere) of not influencing votes still to be be done in other countries.

Pretty stupid really, considering predictions via exit polls are not prohibited, either from being made or reported upon. lol

I've been telling others that down here Vox is pro Catalan independence.

It seems that the registered turnout is not prohibited information, and from that it looks like referendum Remain areas are well up (+9% in Cardiff) whereas Leave areas are much lower (Basildon, +0.2%).

Farage may pick up a deal of seats in areas we already know where they stand, but the actual number of votes cast could spread very differently, in a centrifuge-like way. His spiel has a self-evident traction, but there is a cognitive dissonance - since we're now supposed to have left the EU, why bother voting in EU elections?

What happens to the Labour and Conservative vote in Scotland will be the canary in the coalmine, and I'm expecting a corpse. Corbyn got the last thrashings of the Scottish Labour machine in 2017. No way is he getting a putative GE majority without a miracle there. And thanks to Theresa's second referendum punt, the Scottish Tories are royally screwed.

We could argue the merits of the Fixed Term Parliament Act, but a Tory brought it in, a Tory broke it at the first possible opportunity and look how well that worked out, so on a turkeys voting for Christmas basis it doesn't seem like happening sooner rather than later.

The success of your Vox plan seems assured - it reminded me of the time me and a well-travelled native attempted to explain to some upcountry Catalan farmers the equinox concept.
 
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It seems that the registered turnout is not prohibited information, and from that it looks like referendum Remain areas are well up (+9% in Cardiff) whereas Leave areas are much lower (Basildon, +0.2%).
Participation in EU (parliament) elections was always appallingly poor thruout Europe, on the premise of not being particularly important to many (i.e. national issues taking precedence).

That's the one thing the current Brexit fiasco may improve as much as the right-wing surge (support it or prevent it) may.

Czech Republic doesn't hold out much hope in that respect though, voter turn-out having been around 20 pct.

Farage may pick up a deal of seats in areas we already know where they stand, but the actual number of votes cast could spread very differently, in a centrifuge-like way. His spiel has a self-evident traction, but there is a cognitive dissonance - since we're now supposed to have left the EU, why bother voting in EU elections
I'd surmise that in Britain it's not about EU anyway but about "rigth or wrong, my party". See above.
What happens to the Labour and Conservative vote in Scotland will be the canary in the coalmine, and I'm expecting a corpse. Corbyn got the last thrashings of the Scottish Labour machine in 2017. No way is he getting a putative GE majority without a miracle there. And thanks to Theresa's second referendum punt, the Scottish Tories are royally screwed.

We could argue the merits of the Fixed Term Parliament Act, but a Tory brought it in, a Tory broke it at the first possible opportunity and look how well that worked out, so on a turkeys voting for Christmas basis it doesn't seem like happening sooner rather than later.
Yeah, the establishment is royally screwed, better said has royally screwed itself.
The success of your Vox plan seems assured - it reminded me of the time me and a well-travelled native attempted to explain to some upcountry Catalan farmers the equinox concept.
Just returned form casting my vote and where I'm even kinda friends with the current PP mayor here, I couldn't bring myself to vote PP (in his favour).

Normally I don't let national party politics influence my decision on the communal basis here (the chap has done the pueblo a world of good and is as far from being a fascist as one can imagine), but strengthen the PP on a national basis (let alone on the European one) is something I simply won't do.

They may not be Franco-ist thru-and-thru but they have a load of such elements within. Even where a sizeable bunch of those has probably scuttled over to VOX.
 
one improvement to the future EU parliament (least that's how I see it) is the Green wave that has swept thru Western Euroopean countries.

In Germany the Greens have even overtaken the Social Democrats to come in second (behind Merkel's CDU/CSU). Or one might say the Social Democrats have performed so poorly that they came in third.
 
Tommy Robinson not elected. Sad!
 
It looks to me like Farage is hoovering up UKIP votes and maybe a point or two more. Tory and Labour are collapsing to fourth of fifth place, and the Greens and LibDems are making huge gains. Farage's new limited company isn't turning votes into MEP's They're essentially replacing UKIP seats with Brexit ones. Overall, the remain votes outnumber the leave votes, and Labour's fence-sitting has hit them hard.
 
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In total, Leave supporting parties will poll much better than Remain supporting parties, and the two old main parties will poll absolutely abysmally.
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Lol. 10.5/12 constituency results:

Brexit 28 seats (+28), 5,244,893, 31.6% (+31.6)

Lib Dems 15 seats (+14); 3,366,673, 20.3% (+13.4)

Labour 10 seats (-8); 2,346,441, 14.1% (− 11.3)

Green 7 seats (+4); 2,010,328, 12.1% (+4.2)

Conservative 3 seats (-15); 1,510,874, (−14.9)

Plaid Cymru 1 seats (-); 163,928, 1.0% (+0.3)

SNP 0 seats (-); 590,947, 3.6% (+1.1)

Change UK 0 seats (-); 571,716, 3.4% (+3.4)

Ukip 0 seats (-23); 549,159, 3.3% (−24.2)
 
Lol. 10.5/12 constituency results:

Brexit 28 seats (+28), 5,244,893, 31.6% (+31.6)

Lib Dems 15 seats (+14); 3,366,673, 20.3% (+13.4)

Labour 10 seats (-8); 2,346,441, 14.1% (− 11.3)

Green 7 seats (+4); 2,010,328, 12.1% (+4.2)

Conservative 3 seats (-15); 1,510,874, (−14.9)

Plaid Cymru 1 seats (-); 163,928, 1.0% (+0.3)

SNP 0 seats (-); 590,947, 3.6% (+1.1)

Change UK 0 seats (-); 571,716, 3.4% (+3.4)

Ukip 0 seats (-23); 549,159, 3.3% (−24.2)
But, but, but, but...............

The votes that went to the LibDems and the Greens cannot be counted as Leave, because:

1) those are two parties

2) Nobody can prove that their vote count had anything to do with Brexit

So I heard from some insane twit on the tube not so long ago and seeing how truth is currently represented by insane twits in the UK, that simply must be true.
 
Tommy Robinson not elected. Sad!
Well, he was denied the mediums that MAGA'd across the pond (IOW social ones) by a government determined to rob him of any level playing field.

Totally undemocratic, I tellsya and, seeing how our Russian friend has clearly succumbed to exhaustion right now, I thought I'd step in for him with this.
 
Estimates: In France Marine Le Pen's party scored a victory over Macron's party (24% to 22%), in a sort of revenge for the lost presidential election.
That's too bad. I don't like it.
Jadot's green party got 12%.
Another right wing victory in Poland with 42%.
In The Netherlands both the extreme right and the extreme left lost terrain.
 
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