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Groundhog Day - EU elections 2019

Sven Karma said:
Count the votes you agree with, ignore the ones you don't, how very Russian. Still, we mustn't be harsh, after events in Austria Westphalian's clearly got some serious butt-hurt going on today.

Post-Novichok RT made those hilarious chocolate Salisbury Cathedrals, doubtless now they're going to be rushing out some chocolate villas in Ibiza.
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You still can't escape the inconvenient truth that Brexit Party are probably going to storm these elections.

Throwing more insults at millions of Brexit voting hard working honest people won't help you escape actual votes.
 
Westphalian said:
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Throwing more insults at millions of Brexit voting hard working honest people won't help you escape actual votes.
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No, I insulted you, comrade, and you are not a 'Brexit voting hard working honest people', although I am sure you put a lot of effort into your disinformation.
 
Westphalian said:
Impossible to hold a serious discussion with xenophobic Russia haters who habitually resort to racial stereotyping.

Perhaps, before mocking, someone can explain the Labour Party's policy on Brexit. According to Corbyn (what would he know) it is a policy of supporting Brexit, only of course a Labour customs union Brexit.

Fact.

If anything I should count Labour as a Brexit party. They are certainly not a Remain party - at least not publicly.

Those who casually accuse others of dis-honesty should take a long hard look in the mirror before making such vacuous and puerile slurs which reflect hate and bigotry not rationality or reasoning. They are an embarrassment to themselves.
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For once, you are right. Labour is not a remain party under Corbyn. (and his Stalinist adviser Seumas Milne.) Labour's Congress voted differently, but Corbyn's aim is his own ideologically driven Brexit. The Tories are facing decimation, Labour look to do well to hold third place overall. It's ironic that we're voting to elect an "unelected bureaucracy!"
 
Manc Skipper said:
For once, you are right. Labour is not a remain party under Corbyn. (and his Stalinist adviser Seumas Milne.) Labour's Congress voted differently, but Corbyn's aim is his own ideologically driven Brexit. The Tories are facing decimation, Labour look to do well to hold third place overall. It's ironic that we're voting to elect an "unelected bureaucracy!"
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Thanks for your back handed agreement. I'm sure that you'll be spared accusations of dis-honesty from those whose sole contribution seems to be to detract from inconvenient truths.

In total, Leave supporting parties will poll much better than Remain supporting parties, and the two old main parties will poll absolutely abysmally.

Facts that our democracy deniers will no doubt continue to obfuscate and ignore whilst reassuring themselves that all is well with the status quo.
 
The attack on Farage today illustrates the extent to which intimidation, if not violence, has infected the UK political system.

It will also do little except further his cause as a martyr and savior of a betrayed citizenry.
 
Westphalian said:
The attack on Farage today illustrates the extent to which intimidation, if not violence, has infected the UK political system.

It will also do little except further his cause as a martyr and savior of a betrayed citizenry.
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I'm not sure Farage will ever be regarded as a martyr. The worst is yet to come from him over the coming years, and many will see that.

Martyrdom aside, I do feel this trend towards attacking MPs is disgraceful. Just because it's a harmless substance such as a milkshake, or any other dairy product for that matter. It's pitiful.

You may not like or agree with a politicians ideas, but it's best dealt with at the ballot box, not by violence.
 
Westphalian said:
The attack on Farage today illustrates the extent to which intimidation, if not violence, has infected the UK political system.

It will also do little except further his cause as a martyr and savior of a betrayed citizenry.
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Unless the advanced search on here is wrong you said nothing when Jo Cox was, like, murdered, so to start whining 'cos Farage's suit got mussed with some flavoured milk clearly shows your absolute moral nullity.
 
Westphalian said:
The attack on Farage today illustrates the extent to which intimidation, if not violence, has infected the UK political system.

It will also do little except further his cause as a martyr and savior of a betrayed citizenry.
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Awwww Farage got a milkshake in his face...

Jo Cox got shot and stabbed to death by one of Farages loyalists.
 
Westphalian said:
Impossible to hold a serious discussion with xenophobic Russia haters who habitually resort to racial stereotyping.
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By practically all your posts and again by this one, you demonstrate that you either couldn't or wouldn't hold a serious discussion if your life depended upon it. You clearly can't even type one sentence without lacing it with lies, here with your dishonest accusation of Russia haters and racial stereotyping all in one breath.

You a black Russian or sumpin' or a yellow one??

Jeez, man, get a grip, racial stereotyping my bloody foot.:roll:
Perhaps, before mocking, someone can explain the Labour Party's policy on Brexit. According to Corbyn (what would he know) it is a policy of supporting Brexit, only of course a Labour customs union Brexit.
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What is it about leaving the EU that you don't understand?

Never mind, seeing how no honest answer can be expected from you anyway, forget the question.
Fact.

If anything I should count Labour as a Brexit party. They are certainly not a Remain party - at least not publicly.
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strangely, you're not that much off with this.

Those who casually accuse others of dis-honesty should take a long hard look in the mirror before making such vacuous and puerile slurs which reflect hate and bigotry not rationality or reasoning. They are an embarrassment to themselves.
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He who casually accuse others of dis-honesty should take a long hard look in the mirror before making such vacuous and puerile slurs which reflect dishonesty over own projection issues and make him an embarrassment to himself.

Of course, looking into a mirror that constantly cracks in the process doesn't do much for the looker.
 
Westphalian said:
Thanks for your back handed agreement. I'm sure that you'll be spared accusations of dis-honesty from those whose sole contribution seems to be to detract from inconvenient truths.
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Those that, unlike you, do not indulge themselves with such blatant dishonesty, are spared such accusations anyway. And addressing your practically constant lies is not distracting, it's an information service for that part of the public as yet not acquainted with you.

In total, Leave supporting parties will poll much better than Remain supporting parties, and the two old main parties will poll absolutely abysmally.
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That seems highly likely at this point, even where you know this as little as everybody else.

Facts that our democracy deniers will no doubt continue to obfuscate and ignore whilst reassuring themselves that all is well with the status quo.
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Considering your background, it's a friggin' wonder that you can even spell "democracy". That you can spell "obfuscate" is however no surprise.
 
Westphalian said:
Thanks for your back handed agreement. I'm sure that you'll be spared accusations of dis-honesty from those whose sole contribution seems to be to detract from inconvenient truths.

In total, Leave supporting parties will poll much better than Remain supporting parties, and the two old main parties will poll absolutely abysmally.

Facts that our democracy deniers will no doubt continue to obfuscate and ignore whilst reassuring themselves that all is well with the status quo.
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The "Two old main parties" are the bulk of the leave vote. Farage's new limited company has questions to answer about their suspiciously (illegal) foreign funding, while they are expected to kill off the remnants of UKIP by absorbing their vote.
 
Westphalian said:
The attack on Farage today illustrates the extent to which intimidation, if not violence, has infected the UK political system.
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still leaves him better off than being horse-whipped by Cossacks in Sotchi, eh? Jo Cox having already been mentioned.

Jeez, but you really are a hypocrite.

It will also do little except further his cause as a martyr and savior of a betrayed citizenry.
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The liar to the citizenry assigned martyrdom by one who equally (and just as constantly) lies to the citizenry.

Priceless.

That you and he are soul mates is no flipping wonder.
 
Manc Skipper said:
~................Farage's new limited company has questions to answer about their suspiciously (illegal) foreign funding, ...........~
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It's endemic, from Le Pen to Germany's AfD, Austria's FPÖ and elsewhere.

Real Rub(le)ilee
 
PeteEU said:
Awwww Farage got a milkshake in his face...

Jo Cox got shot and stabbed to death by one of Farages loyalists.
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The trouble is that he got it on his suit as well, his face would probably have profited.

If he had any, that is.
 
Manc Skipper said:
The "Two old main parties" are the bulk of the leave vote. Farage's new limited company has questions to answer about their suspiciously (illegal) foreign funding, while they are expected to kill off the remnants of UKIP by absorbing their vote.
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What opinion polls are you looking at? Are they upside down in your world? :shock:


The 'foreign funding' - no suspicions have been raised by anybody outside desperate old has beens like Gordon Brown.


Nothing - not a penny, has come from Russia.
 
Westphalian said:
What opinion polls are you looking at? Are they upside down in your world? :shock:


The 'foreign funding' - no suspicions have been raised by anybody outside desperate old has beens like Gordon Brown.


Nothing - not a penny, has come from Russia.
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You mentioned Russia, I didn't. Is there a Freudian slip you'd like to admit? Farages' "party" is a limited company registered in his name with a board of eight, four of whom have already resigned. Membership is associate only with no internal voting rights. It's a con.
Multiple "donations (as in thousands) are coming in via paypal at just under the £500 level at which the donor must be named. Two Dutch reporters have already (illegally) donated from Holland to test the required screening has been set up to prevent their donation. There is none. They paid in Euros but of course Paypal routinely converts and pays in Pounds.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Nothing is true until the Kremlin denies it.
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There's a lot of dark money from the US too. Did you hear Nigel's and Trump's pal Bannon has set up a rightwing training school in an Italian monastery building?

What does Steve Bannon want with this Italian monastery? Inside his fledgling school for populism - The Globe and Mail

It seems Nigel met with Bannon the same day he had a meeting with Boris Johnson (currently front runner in the Conservative leadership race)
 
Manc Skipper said:
There's a lot of dark money from the US too. Did you hear Nigel's and Trump's pal Bannon has set up a rightwing training school in an Italian monastery building?

What does Steve Bannon want with this Italian monastery? Inside his fledgling school for populism - The Globe and Mail

It seems Nigel met with Bannon the same day he had a meeting with Boris Johnson (currently front runner in the Conservative leadership race)
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Bannon and Trump are pro-Brexit. Anything to weaken/splinter the EU is fine by them. Why do you think Trump courts Orban?
 
Manc Skipper said:
There's a lot of dark money from the US too. Did you hear Nigel's and Trump's pal Bannon has set up a rightwing training school in an Italian monastery building?

What does Steve Bannon want with this Italian monastery? Inside his fledgling school for populism - The Globe and Mail

It seems Nigel met with Bannon the same day he had a meeting with Boris Johnson (currently front runner in the Conservative leadership race)
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Bannon is clearly looking for new causes and, most of all, re-invention of self.

His trouble though (as that of many Americans) is thinking to be able to translate his "American" experience (call if Trump experience if you like) to the world stage. That misjudgment applies especially to Europe, whose nationalist-populist-rightist movements can't agree on virtually anything on account of deep national historical differences.

That in his doubtful quest he set up shop in a country where the far right is actually part of the government isn't really surprising, but about as futile in its misjudgment of opportunity as his whole approach to a continent he knows virtually nothing of. Because trying to peddle a strategy that made Trump great (as a political figure) isn't going to wash in a continent (and in its countries) where the current POTUS that is supposedly of his making "enjoys" such deep contempt.

The main obstacles to his ambitions are two:

1) European countries (and thus their people) have a long-lasting memory of fascism and what it entailed, and

2) the very nationalism he is preaching will cause him to be excluded as the outsider (and one from the states, dear god), once he has served his role as useful idiot.

I'm not calling him a fascist BTW, he is in fact a brilliant analyst in waters he's familiar with. But here he's gone into uncharted (to him) seas. Farage won't be forming any government and Johnson won't be the chief honcho in Britain either.

And an Italian far right that had to coalesce with the far left to get into the saddle isn't exactly the horse to bet on for someone of his ambitions either.

Meanwhile he can of course cause trouble over here but in the long or even intermediate run there'll be a limit to the amount that even his far-right cronies will be prepared to accept.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Bannon and Trump are pro-Brexit. Anything to weaken/splinter the EU is fine by them. Why do you think Trump courts Orban?
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Actually NOT splintering the EU (IOW putting the rascals like Orban and Kaczyński's gang of hoods into the naughty corner where they belong) is actually what makes the EU most vulnerable right now. Since the EU can't kick any state out, once joined, by naughty corner I mean cutting the cash flow. The populace of both Poland and Hungary in their vast majority are actually very much pro-EU membership, no matter what they find to criticize over it, same as French, Germans, Spaniards etc. etc. etc.

And Poland was and still is the biggest recipient of EU funds with Hungary not far behind.

The shenanigans of their respective political leadership(s) notwithstanding, the Westminster debacle has taught even the Polish and Hungarian people one thing; "Jesus H., let's by all means not go there or even close".

Opposition to both governments is on the rise, in Hungary's case especially with the corruption of Orban and all his cronies that have embezzled EU funds for their personal gain like there'll be no tomorrow. The latter probably being a fair assessment in the long run where that lot is concerned.

The EU's failing here (even more so in Bulgaria and Romania) was lack of monitoring the passages of money and that's something that's pee-ing everyone off over here, even in the countries of the big EU "players".
 
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