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Who are these guys who keep spreading anti-Russian propaganda?

Who are the guys who keep spreading anti-Russsian propaganda and Russia hate?

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Rogue Valley said:
Or it could be Americans who don't appreciate Putin meddling in elections. Or someone that doesn't agree with Putin stealing Crimea.

Or someone tired of Putin assassinating Russians at home and abroad. You probably get the idea.
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I would include all of them in that group. And not all of them are just spreading anti-Russian propaganda either. Many of them have legitimate arguments.
 
lwf said:
I would include all of them in that group. And not all of them are just spreading anti-Russian propaganda either. Many of them have legitimate arguments.
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I would argue that all mentioned - and more - are wholly legitimate arguments.

The Putin regime is horrible on multiple levels.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
What's your thoughts?

This anti-Russian propaganda, and Russia hatred is a thing that is generally widespread on the internet. It seems to be organized. Some conspiracy theories are widespread and popular, and they use these in their propaganda.

There are many actual negative things about Russia, but they never mention any of these, and they have no suggestions of how to improve things in Russia. They just spew out unproductive propaganda.

So, who are these "people"?
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You left off "Truth tellers".
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Have a look at the threads of the "European" section of this forum if you want an example.
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mostly posted by two or 3 individuals ... i blame Western MSM .... the Iraq war in 2003 opened my eyes to there shenanigans ... American media is in the pocket of the US military ... Vietnam was a learning curve for them
 
Rogue Valley said:
Or it could be Americans who don't appreciate Putin meddling in elections. Or someone that doesn't agree with Putin stealing Crimea.

Or someone tired of Putin assassinating Russians at home and abroad. You probably get the idea.
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or how other countries like Russia don't like the USA meddling in their elections and elections in almost every country in the globe .... Crimea would never had happened had the US not intervened in the Ukrainian democratic system ... the truth is Putin put a end to all possibilities of there being a nato base in Crimea .... Germany Understood German unification came at a price as did all the NATO states at the time no recruitment of former Warsaw pact states and Ukraine was Russia's red line .... large swathes of Russian lands were given to Ukraine to give agrarian Ukraine Heavy Industry it lacked
 
Godric1970 said:
mostly posted by two or 3 individuals ... i blame Western MSM .... the Iraq war in 2003 opened my eyes to there shenanigans ... American media is in the pocket of the US military ... Vietnam was a learning curve for them
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Might be so yeah. I still remember the coverage of Iraq, it was no condemnation, it was pretty much embedded front line coverage. But I doubt its generic. The media seems like an arm of a certain political grouping. 9/11 might have been the date they took over your country. You saw it clearly during the election of Trump how many democrats and republicans cosied up. Even Hillary is a "neo-con". Obama. etc.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Might be so yeah. I still remember the coverage of Iraq, it was no condemnation, it was pretty much embedded front line coverage. But I doubt its generic. The media seems like an arm of a certain political grouping. 9/11 might have been the date they took over your country. You saw it clearly during the election of Trump how many democrats and republicans cosied up. Even Hillary is a "neo-con". Obama. etc.
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my country is Scotland mate.... we'll be leaving the UK very shortly 5 Scots served as Admirals in the Russian Navy rear admiral Thomas McKenzie founded the naval base in Sevastopol and 15 Scots and ethnic Scots served as generals including the hero of Moscow Barclay De Tolly and many Scots served in the convoys to Murmansk during WW2.

i began to look at other conflicts like Yugoslavia and the vile bombing by NATO on Serbia and Montenegro and the war crimes America and it's allies committed ..... America and it's allies have invaded more countries than any other since Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan and like Germany and Japan America also ignored UN like G&J ignored the league of Nations to continue their illegal wars .... America is a global bully
 
Godric1970 said:
my country is Scotland mate.... we'll be leaving the UK very shortly 5 Scots served as Admirals in the Russian Navy rear admiral Thomas McKenzie founded the naval base in Sevastopol and 15 Scots and ethnic Scots served as generals including the hero of Moscow Barclay De Tolly and many Scots served in the convoys to Murmansk during WW2.

i began to look at other conflicts like Yugoslavia and the vile bombing by NATO on Serbia and Montenegro and the war crimes America and it's allies committed ..... America and it's allies have invaded more countries than any other since Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan and like Germany and Japan America also ignored UN like G&J ignored the league of Nations to continue their illegal wars .... America is a global bully
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I'm sorry, I did not pay attention. I like Scotland!

It is true the US is a global bully, and I find it strange that this is not the main coverage in the media. And I find it strange they condemn Russia so much, even for the same things they do not condemn the US for. We still don't have the death tolls of NAZI Germany when we talk about the US, but millions of lives have been lost due to the US, and tens of millions of lives have been destroyed, at least a handful of nations have been layed in ruin.. And I'm just talking about the last 15 years, not the whole post-ww2 period.

I dread to think the numbers for that. But yet, this seems to not be important, because it's the US and they are our "ally". Nevermind that the US puts Europe in great danger in many ways, and as such is probably the main threat to European security. (ruined and unstable neighbour countries, immigration stream and terrorists, ISIL, nuclear weapons and egging other nuclear powers).
 
ALL of the UN Security Council P5 are ****ing bullies, including Russia. Don't act like its JUST the U.S.
The US leads by far in raw military power, but recently - particularly as of the Trump administration - the US has lost a lot of its global political and soft power clout to Russia which - while vastly inferior to the US militarily - has recently eclipsed the US in soft power due to its cyberwarfare and propaganda capabilities.
 
this is how incredibly stupid right wingers are. More dumb deflections and projections. Oh yeah, Russia is being unfairly

it should be telling you something about how bad Trump and republicans are that foreign adversaries are working to influence elections in favor of Trump and republicans. But not for the dumb, hypocritical right.

These self-proclaimed "real americans" and "patriots" seem to be OK with foreign meddling as long as it supports people they like. Imagine for a seconds a foreign adversary working to get Obama elected, what the scum right would have done. They would have lost their ****.

now they are trying to pretend that Russia is a friend and whining that its unfair how they are viewed? LOL

or are all these right wingers on this forum just russian trolls? But that wouldn't make sense, because they just make the right look like complete and utter idiots.
 
Godric1970 said:
or how other countries like Russia don't like the USA meddling in their elections and elections in almost every country in the globe .... Crimea would never had happened had the US not intervened in the Ukrainian democratic system ... the truth is Putin put a end to all possibilities of there being a nato base in Crimea .... Germany Understood German unification came at a price as did all the NATO states at the time no recruitment of former Warsaw pact states and Ukraine was Russia's red line .... large swathes of Russian lands were given to Ukraine to give agrarian Ukraine Heavy Industry it lacked
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Blaming the US for Russia's illegal land grab is like blaming Czechoslovakia for Hitler's annexation.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
What's your thoughts?

This anti-Russian propaganda, and Russia hatred is a thing that is generally widespread on the internet. It seems to be organized. Some conspiracy theories are widespread and popular, and they use these in their propaganda.

There are many actual negative things about Russia, but they never mention any of these, and they have no suggestions of how to improve things in Russia. They just spew out unproductive propaganda.

So, who are these "people"?
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You are going to tell us, right???
 
Rogue Valley said:
Apparently Maximus Zeebra believes the DP server is in Russia and subject to the latest Putin censorship laws....

Russia Passes Law Punishing ‘Disrespect’ and ‘Fake News’

The new law allows the Russian government to shut down sites that spread what it determines to be misinformation or disrespect for government symbols or officials.
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We did a tour through parts of Russia back in 2006. I would love to be able to talk to some of the Russian and Ukrainian people I spoke to on that trip again.
 
Fledermaus said:
Blaming the US for Russia's illegal land grab is like blaming Czechoslovakia for Hitler's annexation.
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i stand by my comments had America not interfered in the Ukrainian democracy then Crimea would never have happened Crimeans do not and never have classed themselves as Ukrainians one day they were Russian then overnight a soviet dictator decreed they were Ukrainian without any say in the matter... the truth is Russia would never allow Nato to have a military base on their sacred soil .... it also tells me something when America used nazi vermin to topple the Ukrainian president .... whatever happened to never again or were they just meaningless words to you
 
Abbazorkzog said:
ALL of the UN Security Council P5 are ****ing bullies, including Russia. Don't act like its JUST the U.S.
The US leads by far in raw military power, but recently - particularly as of the Trump administration - the US has lost a lot of its global political and soft power clout to Russia which - while vastly inferior to the US militarily - has recently eclipsed the US in soft power due to its cyberwarfare and propaganda capabilities.
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No, you're right. But the US is the biggest bully.

I wish the world was different, that's it. Trying to work together for common interests and so fourth, and not just focusing on war and domination and weaponns and military. Such is the world we should live in, yet we live in this primitive time. We all have the same interests, but we are not clever enough to have figured that out yet. Welcome to 2019.
 
Fledermaus said:
Then you aren't reading for comprehension.
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I'm reading for truth. Just because someone claims something does not make it true. Too many people believe these days that any claim is automatically true, if it come from some kind of authority. This is one of the biggest problems our society is facing currently.
 
<alt>doxygen said:
You are going to tell us, right???
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I answered brainwashed tools. I know people who just believe the news and our politicians. They all think Trump is bad and Russia is bad. They never have any real reasons for this belief though, and under light scrutiny their belief collapse.
 
Godric1970 said:
i stand by my comments had America not interfered in the Ukrainian democracy then Crimea would never have happened Crimeans do not and never have classed themselves as Ukrainians one day they were Russian then overnight a soviet dictator decreed they were Ukrainian without any say in the matter... the truth is Russia would never allow Nato to have a military base on their sacred soil .... it also tells me something when America used nazi vermin to topple the Ukrainian president .... whatever happened to never again or were they just meaningless words to you
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It's no good trying to speak the truth in the face of the anti Russian nazists who spew out their blind and ignorant prejudice.


Crimea is now far more prosperous and its people overwhelmingly happy to be Russian citizens. The West will never accept this because it can't fit their narrative, but frankly, who cares?
 
Rogue Valley said:
Apparently Maximus Zeebra believes the DP server is in Russia and subject to the latest Putin censorship laws....

Russia Passes Law Punishing ‘Disrespect’ and ‘Fake News’

The new law allows the Russian government to shut down sites that spread what it determines to be misinformation or disrespect for government symbols or officials.
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I love free speech, and would not want the government to do such things, but what we have today is the downside of free speech. People being able to freely spread bull**** all over the place.

But I guess what is really the main culprit is other things like stupidity and dishonesty that people fall for the bull****
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
I answered brainwashed tools. I know people who just believe the news and our politicians. They all think Trump is bad and Russia is bad. They never have any real reasons for this belief though, and under light scrutiny their belief collapse.
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So says these (brainwashed trolls) guys. Anyone who disagrees they will sit on.
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Russia? The food is awful.
 
<alt>doxygen said:
So says these (brainwashed trolls) guys. Anyone who disagrees they will sit on.
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Russia? The food is awful.
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I mean, we're ALL Russian, except for the paranoid delusional morons.

Anyways, those "non-Russian" people are the same who want to encourage children to become homosexual, and question and "change" their gender. Even down into kindergarten. Fun is never ok, and there is no difference between men and women, it's just a "social construct". All jokes should be banned, free speech should be limited to what does not offend anyone, and flirting in a bar should land you in jail for sexual harassment.

So, **** yeah, if those people say I'm Russian for not being like them, I'm proud to be so.
 
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