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Bloody Sunday: Soldier F faces murder charges

RetiredUSN said:
Stop whining about the Irish if you cannot handle the truth.

You and your cohort started playing the "whataboutism" game in which I am quite obliged to point out.
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You pointed out nothing we didn't know already, but failed to look in the mirror until it was pointed out for you. So who is doing the whining exactly?
 
Higgins86 said:
Bloody Sunday: Soldier F faces murder charges - BBC News


former British soldier faces murder charges over the killing of two people on Bloody Sunday in Londonderry in 1972.

The Public Prosecution Service said there was enough evidence to prosecute Soldier F for the murders of James Wray and William McKinney.

The sole prosecution is seen as a "terrible disappointment" by some of the families of the 13 people killed.



Obviously a very sensitive subject in Ireland and the UK, I am really torn on this if I'm honest. Whilst I recongnise the families wanting justice for what they see as murder I do also see it as a bit of a double standard. Numerous IRA prisoners and wanted IRA members were allowed to walk away scott free after the good Friday agreement. You have had and still have ex IRA members in positions of political power in Northern Ireland and yet you want to open old wounds by charging one man for something that happened in a war zone essentially.
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I would say the difference is that this was done by government troops in full view of the public. It's also the biggest single massacre of unarmed civilians during that conflict, AFAIK.

gunner said:
Or when terrorist have big financial backers in places like America. Because we all know, you all gotta have a bit of Irish in you, to be an American. But of course, support for terrorist fell out of favour post 9/11.
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The US is a big place, and many of our citizens havent been overseas or simply see distant events through filtered lenses and identify foreign causes simply through group association. Of course 9/11 did make people more aware of terrorism, but there is still tremendous ignorance with regards to how people overseas live and their politics.
 
gunner said:
Dragging some old guy through the courts is a despicable token effort, at justice especially when 10s of IRA terrorist were given complete pardons in the name of peace.
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This is what happens when folks illegally invade others lands.
 
PoS said:
I would say the difference is that this was done by government troops in full view of the public. It's also the biggest single massacre of unarmed civilians during that conflict, AFAIK.

The US is a big place, and many of our citizens havent been overseas or simply see distant events through filtered lenses and identify foreign causes simply through group association. Of course 9/11 did make people more aware of terrorism, but there is still tremendous ignorance with regards to how people overseas live and their politics.
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The problem is that 9/11 did not make people aware of who the real terrorists are, so we live in this dismal world where western countries have since that time terrorized the peoples of many lands, mostly Muslim lands. All based on western lies.
 
RetiredUSN said:
Still trying to make a argument huh?

When will the UK make reparations for the resources they stole from almost 200 countries, while invading like around 175 of of them.

How many countries does the USA give assistance to? Care to answer this?

Get back to me when the US approaches that 200 country colonization mark.
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Pointing fingers at the UK for actions that the USA has done in spades is really over the top.
 
RetiredUSN said:
Stop whining about the Irish if you cannot handle the truth.

You and your cohort started playing the "whataboutism" game in which I am quite obliged to point out.
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US and UK terrorism/war crimes against multiple countries are soon to hit the headlines.
 
ralphcdp said:
US and UK terrorism/war crimes against multiple countries are soon to hit the headlines.
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Seems we have another Putinista here in the forum.
 
ralphcdp said:
Pointing fingers at the UK for actions that the USA has done in spades is really over the top.
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I pointed out originally that the Brit's got what they asked for.

Your associates began all the "whataboutism" and if you are honest enough to go back and read the thread before jumping back in in 1/2 cocked.......... you will see that you responded like usual the usual dolts usually do on here.
 
RetiredUSN said:
I pointed out originally that the Brit's got what they asked for.

Your associates began all the "whataboutism" and if you are honest enough to go back and read the thread before jumping back in in 1/2 cocked.......... you will see that you responded like usual the usual dolts usually do on here.
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You illustrated, in spades, the usual stunning hypocrisy trying to make the USA out as something good.
 
Higgins86 said:
Where are you from?
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Of what importance is that? You do know that there are a lot of honest westerners who are against these UK/US actions that have led to all these murders of innocents.
 
ralphcdp said:
Of what importance is that? You do know that there are a lot of honest westerners who are against these UK/US actions that have led to all these murders of innocents.
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So you're willing to call our the UK/US but are not willing to say where you are from? Your realise this is a debate site right?
 
ralphcdp said:
You illustrated, in spades, the usual stunning hypocrisy trying to make the USA out as something good.
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I said earlier in this thread that the USA had it's own warts.

Proof that you jumped right in without knowing the context of the entire thread.

You are getting funnier with each post.

Britain brutalized Ireland for hundreds of years... period!


Pay up!
 
Higgins86 said:
So you're willing to call our the UK/US but are not willing to say where you are from? Your realise this is a debate site right?
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Did you mean 'out'?

You realize that there is no logical connection between your two thoughts, don't you?
 
ralphcdp said:
Did you mean 'out'?

You realize that there is no logical connection between your two thoughts, don't you?
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Why won’t you say where you’re from? You’re either Russian or a self hating yank, that’s my guess.
 
PoS said:
I would say the difference is that this was done by government troops in full view of the public. It's also the biggest single massacre of unarmed civilians during that conflict, AFAIK.



The US is a big place, and many of our citizens havent been overseas or simply see distant events through filtered lenses and identify foreign causes simply through group association. Of course 9/11 did make people more aware of terrorism, but there is still tremendous ignorance with regards to how people overseas live and their politics.
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Good summary POS.
 
Higgins86 said:
Why won’t you say where you’re from? You’re either Russian or a self hating yank, that’s my guess.
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What good is it for you to make a totally uninformed guess based on, not what is true/reality, but on some silly notions you harbor. Notice how you have avoided your illogic in your last post but then you make a suggestion that this is a debate site and that rational debate is what you seek to have.

I "call out" the US and the UK because they have been the most evil war criminals in this era and they seem hell bent on continuing their evil. The ICJ has condemned them for their theft of the Chagos Islanders lands. This crime against humanity is a particularly despicable act of a number of highly despicable acts the two have done since 1990.

That you are ignorant/unknowing of these things is particularly troubling because citizens ought to be well informed about the evil things their governments are doing.
 
RetiredUSN said:
I said earlier in this thread that the USA had it's own warts.
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Vicious, unrelenting war crimes and terrorism are not "warts", they are vicious, unrelenting war crimes and terrorism.

RetiredUSN said:
Proof that you jumped right in without knowing the context of the entire thread.

You are getting funnier with each post.

Britain brutalized Ireland for hundreds of years... period!

Pay up!
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Yes, the UK has brutalized many for a long long time but that doesn't excuse US genocides against Native Americans, ... .

And it is very hypocritical to be pointing fingers; it's like two mafia gangsters arguing who is more/less evil.
 
Peter King said:
Was it really nearly healed? I think for the Northern Irish families and friends of those killed it is never almost healed until some justice has been handed out.
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Justice was and never will be handed out to the families of the people murdered by the IRA
 
perthbum said:
Justice was and never will be handed out to the families of the people murdered by the IRA
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You do know many of them were jailed? And I see you didn't mention all the sectarian violence perpetrated by the Ulster Loyalists and their terror groups. I guess only the victims of IRA violence matter if I read you correctly.
 
RetiredUSN said:
Stop whining about the Irish if you cannot handle the truth.

You and your cohort started playing the "whataboutism" game in which I am quite obliged to point out.
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Some cheese with your whine? The irony of a white American pointing out lack of reparations to the conquered / enslaved however just has to be enjoyed.

PoS said:
~ It's also the biggest single massacre of unarmed civilians during that conflict, AFAIK ~
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Think there've been bigger. The Omagh bombing for example killed 31.

Historically, the massacres numbered in the thousands however.
 
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