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Are US soldiers mercenaries now?

Right. The world is in economic trouble, the whole economic model is. I would rather hope it's possible to turn it around, but I don't. I don't really see any way the US can turn it around, I don't really see a way European countries can either.

Fiscal mismanagement is the reason for the issues, alongside the doomed economic model. It couldn't have gone any other way actually. Inside the doomed economic model, we could have kept it going much longer, if not for the fiscal mismanagement. Pension is the main killer though, it might be what eventually brings down the whole thing. The whole thing is mathematically impossible. Social costs are high, but it's not the main "problem". and the US is also a socialist state frankly speaking. It has alot of welfare systems.

No, the US is still mostly a Free Market Economy rich enough to provide some welfare safety nets for those who honestly cant work. The problem is there are also a lot of people who wont work unless they absolutely have to.

The Left has done everything they can to expand the welfare state as a way to bankrupt the Free Market and install their own Ideology.

With Trump creating so many jobs and Contracting the Administrative State they are taking a huge step backwards. That is why they are going so crazy.
 
Maybe if I have the time and only to study your propaganda.

It isn't my propaganda. That is a particularly cowardly tact to take. It is US government films describing how they treated the "savages", their words.

You demand evidence yet anything that is produced and presented is, well, "propaganda."

Try me. I don't recall you even trying.
 
No, the US is still mostly a Free Market Economy rich enough to provide some welfare safety nets for those who honestly cant work. The problem is there are also a lot of people who wont work unless they absolutely have to.

The Left has done everything they can to expand the welfare state as a way to bankrupt the Free Market and install their own Ideology.

With Trump creating so many jobs and Contracting the Administrative State they are taking a huge step backwards. That is why they are going so crazy.

And same with European countries, also mostly free market economies, but also with a socialist state, I would argue it's not much of a difference with the US. Some relatively small differences if you look around thw world and compare all economies. US and Europe are both essentially capistalist socialist economies. US perhaps a tad less socialist and more capitalist.

I think bankrupting the free market is a bit of an oxymoron. Capitalism and free market is not the same thing. Free markets have existed for thousands of years. Capitalism, just a few hundred years. Capitalism itself is more of a problem than socialism actually. Just look at the actual situation of our economies. Free markets are good, but capitalism isn't necessarily good, it's in a way just another version of the "plantation" economy. And it's leading us in the wrong direction as a society and humanity in general. We are taking a path of dangerous randomness in the name of meaningless money. Differences between rich and poor are bigger than ever, and capitalism has no interest in solving any actual problem, capitalists only want money.

The left hasn't gone crazy because Trump has created jobs. The left IS crazy. But then there are also the "leftists", or more moderate ones, who are not crazy.
 
Germany in WW1 gave rise to communism taking power and Germany in WW2 gave rise to the USSR and the massive Soviet military. Germany should pay all.
 
Low IQ? well maybe. But as a Right Winger: I am an Individualist, You as a Left Winger: you are a Collectivist. That is the fundamental difference between the two sides.

Individualism naturally requires a Limited Power Govt. Collectivism requires a Govt running everything, meaning a Govt with a lot of power, meaning a "Dictator."

LOL, you people have you rhreads stuck so far up Trumps ass there is no room for individual thought.

I have yet to see a liberal dictator. Care to name one?
 
The US hung the Nazis and the Japanese for the same things the USA had done. And continues to do. Every US president since WWII has been a war criminal by the same standards as what the WWII war criminals were tried by.

I will counter with this... when we do it it is not a crime but when others do it is a crime...
 
I will counter with this... when we do it it is not a crime but when others do it is a crime...

That has always been the rank propaganda but it hardly absolves the US of its world leading evil.
 
That has always been the rank propaganda but it hardly absolves the US of its world leading evil.

I live in New Zealand so I might not be aware of some of what the USA is doing... but they seem to be helping a lot and protecting the world from China.
 
I live in New Zealand so I might not be aware of some of what the USA is doing... but they seem to be helping a lot and protecting the world from China.

There are lots of naive people in the world, you are not one of them. You simply love the evil.
 
There are lots of naive people in the world, you are not one of them. You simply love the evil.

evil spelled backwards is live...
 
LOL, you people have you rhreads stuck so far up Trumps ass there is no room for individual thought.

I have yet to see a liberal dictator. Care to name one?


I have yet to see a Leftist who is an actual "Liberal."

Yes most of them call themselves that, and others mistakenly call them that as well.

But prior to about 70 years ago "Liberal" politically described the exact opposite of what it does today.

A favorite propaganda tactic of the Left is to label things and themselves the exact opposite of what they are.

Around the time of FDR the Left started calling themselves "Liberal." With dominate control of Media and Academia they got away with it.
 
I have yet to see a Leftist who is an actual "Liberal."

Yes most of them call themselves that, and others mistakenly call them that as well.

But prior to about 70 years ago "Liberal" politically described the exact opposite of what it does today.

A favorite propaganda tactic of the Left is to label things and themselves the exact opposite of what they are.

Around the time of FDR the Left started calling themselves "Liberal." With dominate control of Media and Academia they got away with it.

Kind of like a right winger calling themselves "conservatives" when they are closer to being a Fascist. Saul Alinsky would be proud of the "conservatives" of today, and their "libertarian" claims. Or even thinking they are "Constitutionalists". Reagan went through WW2 as a propagandist, and was quite good at it as one can see from his Presidency.

And you repitition of the right wing propaganda shows just how good he was.
 
Kind of like a right winger calling themselves "conservatives" when they are closer to being a Fascist. Saul Alinsky would be proud of the "conservatives" of today, and their "libertarian" claims. Or even thinking they are "Constitutionalists". Reagan went through WW2 as a propagandist, and was quite good at it as one can see from his Presidency.

And you repitition of the right wing propaganda shows just how good he was.

No not really.

Conservatives and Libertarians of today are of the American Right. The Rights defining trait is an Individualist Mindset .

Fascist are of the Left, like Socialist and Communist they have a Collectivist Mindset.

That Fascist are of the Right is one of the biggest lies ever told. Pre WW2 every Leftist from Linen to FDR was happy claim Fascism as one of their own. After WW2 when the Horrors of the Holocaust were revealed American Leftist realized they had to separate themselves from the Fascist and the real lies and Propaganda began.

While young and stupid everyone tends to fall for the BS of the Left. That is what happened to Reagan. But only the truly stupid and dishonest ideologues stay on the Left. Reagan was a Leftist Democrat during WW2 but changed later.
 
No not really.

Conservatives and Libertarians of today are of the American Right. The Rights defining trait is an Individualist Mindset .

What "individualist" mindset? I go to 4 different forums and all of you right wingers repeat the same lies that Trump does. Thinking you are individuals is the greatest deceit of all.

BTW, it has been shown many times that the low IQ voter is the one that supports Trump, and obviously you are right in there.

Right-Wing Collectivism - Foundation for Economic Education

Collectivism - Freedom Force International
 
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What "individualist" mindset? I go to 4 different forums and all of you right wingers repeat the same lies that Trump does. Thinking you are individuals is the greatest deceit of all.

BTW, it has been shown many times that the low IQ voter is the one that supports Trump, and obviously you are right in there.

Right-Wing Collectivism - Foundation for Economic Education

Collectivism - Freedom Force International

well your first is a link is the typical Trump is Hitler crap.

your second confirms everything I have said. Thank you
 
well your first is a link is the typical Trump is Hitler crap.

your second confirms everything I have said. Thank you

Not sure which it is. Either you did not read what was written, or you could not comprehend it. Probably both.

A study of collectivist literature from leading Fascists, Communists, and Socialists reveals certain recurring concepts that may be considered as the eight pillars of collectivism. If the values they represent are reversed, they become the eight pillars of individualism. In other words, there are eight concepts of social and political relationships and, with each of them, collectivists and individualists have opposite viewpoints. This can be shown as follows:
Concepts Collectivists Individualists
Source of rights The state The people
Supremacy The group The individual
Desirable action Coerced Voluntary
Property owned By the state Privately
Choice of money No Yes
Laws Favor some Equal for all
Leadership By coercion By persuasion
State power Aggressive Defensive


Left vs. Right?
We are told that Communists and Socialists are at the extreme Left of the political spectrum, and the Nazis and Fascists are at the extreme Right; two adversaries pitted against each other because, supposedly, they are opposites. Upon analysis, however, we find that they are not opposites at all. They both rest upon the eight pillars of collectivism.

In the United States and most Western countries there is a mirage of two political parties opposing each other, one on the Right and the other on the Left. Yet, when we get past the party rhetoric and slogans, we find that the leaders of both parties support most if not all of the principles of collectivism.

They do represent a Right wing and a Left wing, but they are two wings of the same ugly bird.
 
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