• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Six Steps Russia Is Taking Toward Restricting Its Internet

Rogue Valley said:
That is from over a year ago. Try again.
Click to expand...
Youre saying trade has stopped between them? Citations please

A reporter. Singular. Not reporters. Traveling to occupied Crimea (which he did) is a crime in Ukraine, and also against UN resolutions.
Click to expand...
He didnt go across the bridge. Try reading the article for once. And banning even a single reporter is censorship no matter how much you whitewash it. I suppose youre okay with Trump banning a single reporter form CNN too, right?

The murder of Sheremet has never been solved.
Click to expand...
Duh. Of course it wont be solved. Poroshenko will never want the truth to be told. He's killed many of his opponents and critics already, but we all know you'll never own up to it.
 
PoS said:
Youre saying trade has stopped between them? Citations please
Click to expand...

You made the claim. Citations that normal trade continues.

PoS said:
He didnt go across the bridge. Try reading the article for once.
Click to expand...

His news crew, under his direction and orders, went across. Sorry bub, the boss doesn't escape culpability.

Russia is experimenting with fire-walling its Internet and you resort to this dumb ****.

PoS said:
Duh. Of course it wont be solved. Poroshenko will never want the truth to be told. He's killed many of his opponents and critics already, but we all know you'll never own up to it.
Click to expand...

You obviously didn't even read the Wiki article. It wasn't what you thought you would read was it? You thought Sheremet was anti-Ukrainian. Just the opposite was true.

Christ on a cracker, you don't know diddly about Ukraine/Russia. You're a pretender waiting for Westphalian (a Russian) to come along and slobber you with a Like.
 
Rogue Valley said:
You made the claim. Citations that normal trade continues.
Click to expand...
And I posted the link, now prove that its outdated.

His news crew, under his direction and orders, went across. Sorry bub, the boss doesn't escape culpability.
Click to expand...
His news crew? So you believe people should be punished for what others did? How very Poroshekno of you.

You obviously didn't even read the Wiki article. It wasn't what you thought you would read was it? You thought Sheremet was anti-Ukrainian. Just the opposite was true.
Click to expand...
For all we know Poroshenko had him killed for a false flag operation, and since its unsolved and he is a president of Ukraine, its clear who is covering it up.

Christ on a cracker, you don't know diddly about Ukraine/Russia.
Click to expand...
And you do? Puh-lease.
 
PoS said:
And I posted the link, now prove that its outdated.
Click to expand...

NOLAN PETERSON
ON 1/28/18 AT 9:33 AM EST
Click to expand...

Don't know where you are Mr. Oceania, but in the rest of the world it is March of 2019.

PoS said:
His news crew? So you believe people should be punished for what others did? How very Poroshekno of you.
Click to expand...

He directed his film crew to cross into Ukraine illegally. In any court he would be considered part of a conspiracy to commit a crime.

PoS said:
For all we know Poroshenko had him killed for a false flag operation, and since its unsolved and he is a president of Ukraine, its clear who is covering it up.
Click to expand...

It's obvious you are avoiding the OP article like the plague with your whataboutisms. Here's another article on the same OP topic. Address it......

Russians, Fearing Internet Isolation, Protest Government Plan
 
Rogue Valley said:
Don't know where you are Mr. Oceania, but in the rest of the world it is March of 2019.
Click to expand...
Ah so you cant disprove the article. I knew you had nothing to debate with.

He directed his film crew to cross into Ukraine illegally. In any court he would be considered part of a conspiracy to commit a crime.
Click to expand...
Prove that he conspired to do it. Youre just an apologist for government censorship.

It's obvious you are avoiding the OP article like the plague with your whataboutisms.
Click to expand...
I am pointing out the hypocrisy of your anti-Russian threads. You condemn Putin but defend Poroshenko- and they are both dictators.
 
PoS said:
Ah so you cant disprove the article. I knew you had nothing to debate with.
Click to expand...

No one needs to disprove an out-of-code source. You were simply too lazy to check the date on your "gotcha" article. Ukraine and Russia certainly do still trade in certain commodities. It's difficult going cold-turkey after 100 years of a symbiotic relationship. But Ukrainian trade with Russia is decreasing exponentially every year, and correspondingly increasing with the EU and other global trading partners. Much more diversified.

PoS said:
I am pointing out the hypocrisy of your anti-Russian threads. You condemn Putin but defend Poroshenko- and they are both dictators.
Click to expand...

Petro Poroshenko was elected in a fair election (2014) attended by thousands of international election monitors (UN/EU/OSCE/Canada/Japan/ etc). I've openly called both Poroshenko and Tymoshenko corrupt. And a portion of the Poroshenko Bloc (BPP) is corrupt also. Most politicians everywhere possess an element of deceit. But Poroshenko does defend Batʹkivshchyna and has rejuvenated a previously moribund UA military. Difficult accomplishments when at war with a behemoth nuclear-armed opponent. But whatever the sins of Petya and Yulia, that doesn't excuse or mitigate Putin's by force of arms removing/occupying Ukrainian sovereign territory. Such aggression hasn't happened on the European continent since WWII.

You whine and complain, but are unable to refute with timely and credible citations. This thread is a case in point. Title: Six Steps Russia Is Taking Toward Restricting Its Internet

Ditch the whatabouitism (off-topic/attack posts) and address the OP topic.
 
Rogue Valley said:
No one needs to disprove an out-of-code source. You were simply too lazy to check the date on your "gotcha" article. Ukraine and Russia certainly do still trade in certain commodities. It's difficult going cold-turkey after 100 years of a symbiotic relationship. But Ukrainian trade with Russia is decreasing exponentially every year, and correspondingly increasing with the EU and other global trading partners. Much more diversified.
Click to expand...
I have posted the most up to date article on the Ukraine Russia trade. If you have anything that supersedes it, then by all means post it. The fact that you dont pretty much proves your dishonesty.

Petro Poroshenko was elected in a fair election
Click to expand...

:lamo

How about explaining the deaths of Oles Buzina, Oleg Kalshnikov and others critical of Poroshenko.


But Poroshenko does defend Batʹkivshchyna and has rejuvenated a previously moribund UA military.
Click to expand...

In Ukraine, Corruption Is Now Undermining the Military - The New York Times

Wrong again.
 
Praxas said:
but but Trump said the cold war was over and we are all to be allies. :roll:

The simple truth is that the US, should be distancing itself AWAY from dictators like this.
Click to expand...

The USA has a dictatorship too. They just alternate dictators to make the sheeple think they are of some importance.
 
PoS said:
I have.....
Click to expand...

You have done everything but address the thread topic. More whataboutisms. Our Russian dancing bear.

Where's your rebuttal to the OP article? Your citations? You cry and whine but always studiously avoid addressing the thread topic.

Thread title: Six Steps Russia Is Taking Toward Restricting Its Internet
 
Rogue Valley said:
Ukraine is at war with Russia. Why on earth would it allow Russian propaganda?

Geezus you don't have a clue.
Click to expand...

The problem is they can deem anything as russian propoganda and claim national security to censor the media and the internet, ukraine has one of the most censored medias on earth currently, and truthfully I have seen more russian media critical of the russian govt than I have ukrainian media critical of the ukrainian govt.

All ukraine needs to do is label opposition as russian supporters and label anything critical of their govt as russian propoganda.
 
PoS said:
Yup. Ukraine has banned Russian social media and email servers- how exactly are they any better?

This thread is pure hypocrisy.
Click to expand...

Ukraine and russia is like the pot and the kettle, both extremely oppressive regimes that are corrupt, only thing seperating them is russia has a semi capable economy and a top tier military, if those two were excluded the two countries would like like identical sinkholes.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Spare me your prattle. Save it for Westphalian.
Click to expand...

So more avoiding how wrong you are I see, you could have literally googled it to see russia is not even close to the top of the list of internet restriction, as many nations by far beat it out, some even us allies like saudi arabia bahrain and uae.
 
beerftw said:
The problem is they can deem anything as russian propoganda and claim national security to censor the media and the internet, ukraine has one of the most censored medias on earth currently, and truthfully I have seen more russian media critical of the russian govt than I have ukrainian media critical of the ukrainian govt.

All ukraine needs to do is label opposition as russian supporters and label anything critical of their govt as russian propoganda.
Click to expand...

Another yokel that must resort to whataboutism rather than address the thread topic.

No rebuttals. It seems that you both agree then that Putin is closing the Internet in Russia. That's settled.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Another yokel that must resort to whataboutism rather than address the thread topic.

No rebuttals. It seems that you both agree then that Putin is closing the Internet in Russia. That's settled.
Click to expand...

I never denied russia was restricting internet, nor was trying to argue otherwise, just merely countering your easily disproved arguments in which you either call me a russian troll or refuse the links and run away.

I have quite a few rebuttals, but it is quite hard to argue anything with you because you consistently dodge anything challenging your own ops. You are as bad as a kindergardener who changes the rules then says I know what you are but what am i every time something does not go your way.
 
beerftw said:
I never denied russia was restricting internet, nor was trying to argue otherwise, just merely countering your easily disproved arguments in which you either call me a russian troll or refuse the links and run away.
Click to expand...

You've posted no refuting links here because the OP article is spot on. You are a Putinista. I'm not alone in that assessment. And you do scrounge up bogus links as I just demonstrated.....

https://www.debatepolitics.com/euro...s-most-dangerous-cities-3.html#post1069829747
 
Rogue Valley said:
You have done everything but address the thread topic. More whataboutisms. Our Russian dancing bear.

Where's your rebuttal to the OP article? Your citations? You cry and whine but always studiously avoid addressing the thread topic.

Thread title: Six Steps Russia Is Taking Toward Restricting Its Internet
Click to expand...

I am addressing the topic, which is your consistent hypocrisy with regards to the horrid dictatorship of Ukraine. You have also failed to address any of the points Ive provided, for obvious reasons- you cant.
 
PoS said:
I am addressing the topic, which is your consistent hypocrisy with regards to the horrid dictatorship of Ukraine. You have also failed to address any of the points Ive provided, for obvious reasons- you cant.
Click to expand...

Quote the posts where you addressed the OP topic w/o whataboutisms.
 
Rogue Valley said:
You've posted no refuting links here because the OP article is spot on. You are a Putinista. I'm not alone in that assessment. And you do scrounge up bogus links as I just demonstrated.....

https://www.debatepolitics.com/euro...s-most-dangerous-cities-3.html#post1069829747
Click to expand...

here let me counter your literal claim russia is the most restricted behind china, you literally could google this crap except for the fact the slightest redearch destroys your argumenht.

Countries Where Internet is Forbidden or Limited - mairiedemontsoult.com
 
Never heard of your 'source' and I doubt anyone else has either.

Besides that, the changes to the Russian internet are relatively new (a month or so) and the overall negativity of the effects have yet to be realized and quantized.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom