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How popular are conspiracy theories about Russia?

How popular are concpiracy theories about Russia?

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Maximus Zeebra

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Just so much talk about Russia these days, mostly conspiracy theories and anti-Russian propaganda. I'm just wondering how popular conspiracy theories about Russia really is...
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Just so much talk about Russia these days, mostly conspiracy theories and anti-Russian propaganda. I'm just wondering how popular conspiracy theories about Russia really is...
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Probably about as popular as wife-beating is in Russia.
 
Are there any statistically significant differences between wife beating in the US and Russia?
 
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That Putin is a thug and that the Kremlin comprises his flock of fellow thugs is not a conspiracy theory.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Just so much talk about Russia these days, mostly conspiracy theories and anti-Russian propaganda. I'm just wondering how popular conspiracy theories about Russia really is...
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Hate to rain on your Putin parade, but most everything in this forum about Russia has source-citations.
 
NeverTrump said:
eh comrade?
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You justify calling someone "comrad" just for recognizing the rampant and very visible anti-Russian propaganda in the media and among politicians?

Congratulations: You win the prize!



Chagos said:
That Putin is a thug and that the Kremlin comprises his flock of fellow thugs is not a conspiracy theory.
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"We good, they bad, ooga booga".



Rogue Valley said:
Hate to rain on your Putin parade
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I haven't even mentioned Putin, but I'm guessing you're obsessed with him as you're told to be.

Rogue Valley said:
but most everything in this forum about Russia has source-citations.
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:lamo

I have to retract my previous statement about winning the prize, because: You win the prize!
 
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Maximus Zeebra said:
You justify calling someone "comrad" just for recognizing the rampant and very visible anti-Russian propaganda in the media and among politicians?

Congratulations: You win the prize!
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I know, I won your non-denial. Thanksies.
 
Phys251 said:
Probably about as popular as wife-beating is in Russia.
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Phys251:

Beware, I detect rampant Harpo-Marxism behind this question!;)

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Evilroddy said:
Phys251:

Beware, I detect rampant Harpo-Marxism behind this question!;)

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
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Not sure what you're getting at, but domestic violence is a serious problem in Russia.
 
Phys251 said:
Not sure what you're getting at, but domestic violence is a serious problem in Russia.
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Phys251:

First a correction. I intended to type "Harepo" but the auto-correct changed it to Harpo. It's a reference to a famous/infamous Bugs Bunnv cartoon using an old Groucho Marx game show format. The show was called "You Bet Your Life" and the cartoon changed it to the loaded question,"Do You Beat Your Wife". The joke is no longer politically correct much like the old maxim of "using the rule of thumb" which referred to the maximum thickness of a stick which a man could use to beat his wife legally. Any thicker than your thumb and the beating was considered assault. The times they are a changing.



Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Hating Russia, now that is politically correct.
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Do not 'hate' their country, just feel sorry that the Russians are still a long way from understanding what this 'democracy' thing is all about.
 
Sweden said:
Do not 'hate' their country, just feel sorry that the Russians are still a long way from understanding what this 'democracy' thing is all about.
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How about a little self-examination in countries where we claim to have democracy despite the people having no power or influence at all, yet we point fingers at others and say they are not democracies like us, before we lift up our chests and boast.

Your post is somewhat ironic in that regard.
 
Sweden said:
Do not 'hate' their country, just feel sorry that the Russians are still a long way from understanding what this 'democracy' thing is all about.
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How about a little self-examination in countries where we claim to have democracy despite the people having no power or influence at all, yet we point fingers at others and say they are not democracies like us, before we lift up our chests and boast.

Your post is somewhat ironic in that regard.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
How about a little self-examination in countries where we claim to have democracy despite the people having no power or influence at all, yet we point fingers at others and say they are not democracies like us, before we lift up our chests and boast.

Your post is somewhat ironic in that regard.
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Ironic, Byronic. With all its faults Sweden is way more democratic than Russia - and I think you know it.
 
Sweden said:
Ironic, Byronic. With all its faults Sweden is way more democratic than Russia - and I think you know it.
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I agree, but I don't think either country is a democracy (rule of the people, by the people and for the people) or "folkestyre" in Swedish. But you are definitely right, Sweden is alot more democracy like than for example Russia, the US, the UK and France.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Hating Russia, now that is politically correct.
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Maximus Zeebra:

What constitutes "hate of Russia" to you? Russia has taken steps which have alarmed many states and peoples in and around its near abroad. That fear and those Russian actions alarm a world where at least the political and economic elites have a very strong vested interest in maintaining the preferential status quo which they have built for themselves over the years since the close of WW II. That fear and uncertainty about Russia's political and military trajectory under the direction of a very anti-status-quo Putin Regime leads to criticism. Some of that criticism is hyperbolic and irrational (which is never healthy) but a good deal of the criticism and fear is sound and needs to be aired, heard by Russian elites and acted upon if the growing divide between Russia and the West is to be bridged and repaired. The longer this divide remains open and festering, the greater the role of irrational and pathological hatred will play in blurring the legitimate criticism of what Mr. Putin's Regime is doing to Russia domestically and with Russia internationally.

I'd expect some here to launch into a diatribe about American behaviour internationally as a counterpoint to what Russia has been doing since late 1999, but that is a separate (although related) problem which is outside of Russia's control for the most part. What Russia does have almost complete control over is its own behaviour and over the last generation that behaviour has been increasingly bad for most Russians and for prospects of peace. There are better ways to gently topple a global hegemon from its primacy than trying to rebuild a neo-Russian empire by force of arms, hybrid warfare, destabilising neighbouring states and what today is fashionably called grey-zone operations. Russia has great potential to become far stronger and wealthier by less aggressive means but as long as it continues with its own belligerence this growth will be degraded and retarded by a more and more hostile bloc of de facto Russia-hating states to the west. Russia needs to be smarter and far more careful about using force internationally and domestically if it wishes to defuse the fear and anger of the West and to build the trust and mutual respect necessary to form a durable and effective Eurasian bloc in order to counter US military, economic and political hegemony globally. If you play the game of empire you will lose. That game will entangle and bankrupt Russia as it is doing to an overly-indebted America. That is one of Mr. Putin's grave errors in Russian policy to date as empire is unsustainable today.

So, yes there is too much anti-Russian hate based on irrational fear and clinging to a legacy of Soviet Era imperialism. However there is also a great deal of anti-Russian criticism and fear rooted firmly and rationally in Russia's belligerent reality and its headlong rush to neo-empire and the bully-boy tactics which Mr. Putin has elected to use both domestically and internationally to realise that false dream. I voted "yes" because of the irrational fear but that does not mean that the preponderance of the fear/hate is not rooted in substance.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
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Evilroddy said:
Maximus Zeebra:

What constitutes "hate of Russia" to you. Russia has taken steps which has alarmed many states and peoples in and around its near abroad. That fear and those Russian actions alarm a world where at least the political and economic elites have a very strong vested interest in maintaining the preferential status quo which they have built for themselves over the years since the close of WW II. That fear and uncertainty about Russia's political and military trajectory under the direction of a very anti status quo Putin Regime leads to criticism. Some of that criticism is hyperbolic but a good deal is sound and needs to be aired, heard by Russian elites and acted upon if the growing divide between Russia and the West is to be bridged and repaired. The longer this divide remains open and festering, the greater the role of irrational and pathological hatred will blur the legitimate criticism of what Mr. Putin's Regime is doing to Russia domestically and with Russia internationally.

I'd expect some here to launch into a diatribe about American behaviour internationally as a counterpoint to what Russia has been doing since late 1999 but that is a separate (although related) problem which is outside of Russia's control for the most part. What Russia does have almost complete control over is its own behaviour and over the last generation that behaviour has been bad. There are better ways to gently topple a global hegemon from its primacy than trying to rebuild a neo-Russian empire by force of arms, hybrid warfare, destabilising neighbouring states and what today is fashionably called grey-zone operations. Russia has great potential to become far stronger and wealthier by less aggressive means but as long as it continues with its own belligerence this growth will be degraded and retarded by a more and more hostile bloc of de facto Russia-hating states. Russia needs to be smarter and far more careful about using force internationally and domestically if it wishes to defuse the anger of the West and to build the trust and mutual respect necessary to form a durable Eurasian bloc in order to counter US military, economic and political hegemony globally. If you play the game of empire you will lose. That game will entangle and bankrupt Russia as it is doing to an overly-indebted America. That is one of Mr. Putin's grave errors in Russian policy to date as empire is unsustainable today.

So, yes there is too much anti-Russian hate based on irrational fear and a legacy of Soviet Era imperialism. However there is also a great deal of anti-Russian criticism and fear rooted firmly and rationally in Russia's belligerent, headlong rush to neo-empire and the bully-boy tactics which Mr. Putin has elected to use both domestically and internationally to realise that false dream. I voted yes because of the irrational fear but that does not mean that the preponderance of the fear/hate is not rooted in substance.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
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I don't consider reasonable sceptisism and locical argument, even though with a negative conclusion, to be what I refer to as "hate of Russia". And your post seems to be fully reasonable, but perhaps a bit exhaggerated and overblown about the importance of the issue. You also have some very valid points in there, but also some things I disagree with. But in my book, as long as you reason and use logic and arguments and have a somewhat reasonable and balanced view on the situation, that is not what I am talking about.

I'm walking about rabid and unreasonable, unfactual and absurd anti-Russian sentiment in a kind of crazy combination, by mouthpieces and political drones stuck in a kind of eccochamber, while fully unable to put this into perspective (as you mentioned for example the US). That is what "hate of Russia" is. I see alot of conspiracy threads about Russia in this "European" section, and I would wager that alot of it is based on this anti-Russian propaganda and "hate of Russia".

This anti-Russian thing has been institutionalized by politicians and the media.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
I agree, but I don't think either country is a democracy (rule of the people, by the people and for the people) or "folkestyre" in Swedish. But you are definitely right, Sweden is alot more democracy like than for example Russia, the US, the UK and France.
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Here we differ. Imo one of the main deficiencies in Swedish democracy is the proportional representation voting system. PR takes power away from the people and gives in to small ruling cliques within political parties.

the result of last year's election is a government made up of the Social Democrats, who got 28.26% of the votes (their worst vote share in over 100 years) and the Greens who had 4.41% of the votes. This is not a democratic outcome but a farce.

In the US btw there are referenda in some states and all sorts of bodies like school boards are elected. Absolutely not the case in Sweden, where the people's hands are systematically kept far distant from the levers of power.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Hating Russia, now that is politically correct.
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Nope, we hate the Russian leadership and the lack of real democracy, not the people itself (even though they are stupid enough to vote for Putin or are justifiably afraid for not voting for Putin).
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
I haven't even mentioned Putin, but I'm guessing you're obsessed with him as you're told to be.
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I'm guessing you are what I was informed you were.

Yes. I detest the Russian dictator. So get used to it.
 
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