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How popular are conspiracy theories about Russia?

How popular are concpiracy theories about Russia?

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Maximus Zeebra said:
Interesting to read some of these Russia threads. Lot of unreasoned simpletons writing in them.

Russia bad, we good kind of stuff.

I would suggest those people can join another thread instead:
Russia bad, Russia, Russia etc - Trump bad also
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Great thread MZ.


There are those who would prefer all threads to be Russia hating, so you have your work cut out.


I'm always enlightened to read about how my interests are much better known by Americans than they are by me or other Russians. I had no idea that Washington really cared so much about Russian interests until I read this forum. All that hate and vitriol about Russia is actually reflecting a great love of Russians. All those sanctions and economic warfare directed against Russians is really just an out-pouring of love.

I didn't know they cared so much. It's heart warming.;)
 
Evilroddy said:
The joke is no longer politically correct much like the old maxim of "using the rule of thumb" which referred to the maximum thickness of a stick which a man could use to beat his wife legally. Any thicker than your thumb and the beating was considered assault.
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Urban myth.

Listener Mat also cites linguist William Safire, who wrote that "The idea that rule of thumb is derived from an early form of spousal abuse is in error." Instead, the phrase probably came from carpenters who used their thumbs as a quick, handy measuring tool. From WordOrigins, "The phrase is almost certainly an allusion to the fact that the first joint an adult thumb measures roughly one inch, literally a rule (or ruler) of thumb."
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Where does "rule of thumb" come from? Not legalized wife beating. | Stuff Mom Never Told You


Random source via google but I think correct.
 
Westphalian said:
Great thread MZ.


There are those who would prefer all threads to be Russia hating, so you have your work cut out.


I'm always enlightened to read about how my interests are much better known by Americans than they are by me or other Russians. I had no idea that Washington really cared so much about Russian interests until I read this forum. All that hate and vitriol about Russia is actually reflecting a great love of Russians. All those sanctions and economic warfare directed against Russians is really just an out-pouring of love.

I didn't know they cared so much. It's heart warming.;)
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I don't care much about Russia to be honest. I do care about unjust attacks and the truth. When it comes to Russia there are so many unjust attacks and so many lies or lack of any real truth, that I tend to partake to balance things out and protect Russia from unreasonable attacks, lies and hate.
 
ecofarm said:
Urban myth.


Where does "rule of thumb" come from? Not legalized wife beating. | Stuff Mom Never Told You


Random source via google but I think correct.
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ecofarm:

In 1765-69 the English judge and legal scholar sir William Blackstone wrote a four volume summation of English common law as it stood at that time with commentary of the custom and usage of the past. In this work he wrote of an "olde law" which allowed men to beat their wives legally. He did not name it nor link it to thumbs.

In 1782 an English judge named Sir Francis Buller was publicly ridiculed for allegedly citing "the rule of thumb" as a legal tradition and some of the cartoons and written condemnations still exist today although an official quotation of the judge uttering the words cannot be found. Buller's nickname after his alleged remarks was "Judge Thumb". So while this may have not been an accepted legal tradition of English common law by the late 18th Century it was part of the custom and usage of the law before that and the notion of the name "rule of thumb" being associated with wife beating is very old. That the term may have had other and older meanings, connotations, usage and origins does not negate that we have clear evidence for 'the rule of thumb to wife beating' connection from the late 18th Century until the present. Therefore it is not a modern urban myth with its origins in the 1970's as is often claimed.

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Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
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Evilroddy said:
ecofarm:

In 1765-69 the English judge and legal scholar sir William Blackstone wrote a four volume summation of English common law as it stood at that time with commentary of the custom and usage of the past. In this work he wrote of an "olde law" which allowed men to beat their wives legally. He did not name it nor link it to thumbs.

In 1782 an English judge named Sir Francis Buller was publicly ridiculed for allegedly citing "the rule of thumb" as a legal tradition and some of the cartoons and written condemnations still exist today although an official quotation of the judge uttering the words cannot be found. Buller's nickname after his alleged remarks was "Judge Thumb". So while this may have not been an accepted legal tradition of English common law by the late 18th Century it was part of the custom and usage of the law before that and the notion of the name "rule of thumb" being associated with wife beating is very old. That the term may have had other and older meanings, connotations, usage and origins does not negate that we have clear evidence for 'the rule of thumb to wife beating' connection from the late 18th Century until the present. Therefore it is not a modern urban myth with its origins in the 1970's as is often claimed.

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Cheers.
Evilroddy.
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One judge said it once, hundreds of years ago.

This is like the one guy that wrote about maybe giving Native Americans diseased blankets once, in a letter to someone, and that becomes "commonplace".
 
ecofarm said:
One judge said it once, hundreds of years ago.

This is like the one guy that wrote about maybe giving Native Americans diseased blankets once, in a letter to someone, and that becomes "commonplace".
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Ecofarm:

Still, it's not a modern urban myth. This is however a pointless tangent which we have both taken this thread down so may I suggest we get back to the topic of debate?

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Evilroddy said:
Ecofarm:

Still, it's not a modern urban myth. This is however a pointless tangent which we have both taken this thread down so may I suggest we get back to the topic of debate?

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
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How about we agree it was never a legal term. A judge using it, once, does not make it so.
 
ecofarm said:
How about we agree it was never a legal term. A judge using it, once, does not make it so.
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ecofarm:

Agreed, but only if I and suppress my natural tendency to be annoyingly picayune. If not ....

My counter-offer. How about we agree that it cannot be proved at this time that "the rule of thumb" was the same as Blackstone's "olde law" the latter being a legal principle of English common law regarding the beating of women legally at some time prior to the 18th Century. The devil is in the details. ;)

Cheers.
Pedant at large, Evilroddy.
 
I believe our hate for Russia and Putin is the fact we cannot push them around.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
I believe our hate for Russia and Putin is the fact we cannot push them around.
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Or a convenient bogeyman and propaganda focuspoint.

And sure, Russia never giving up independence and always defending themselves cannot be easy when you want to be global dictator.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Or a convenient bogeyman and propaganda focuspoint.

And sure, Russia never giving up independence and always defending themselves cannot be easy when you want to be global dictator.
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Lol "defending themselves".

Yeah, Georgia was definitely going to roll tanks up to the Kremlin's gates :lamo
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Or a convenient bogeyman and propaganda focuspoint.

And sure, Russia never giving up independence and always defending themselves cannot be easy when you want to be global dictator.
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Russia does one hell of job of holding us in check considering their GDP is less than some states.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
Russia does one hell of job of holding us in check considering their GDP is less than some states.
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Sure, but you have to consider price differences and such things. You get more for less in Russia. Take their military as an example, you may just look at their annual spending and compare this with China or the US, or you might even look at China and compare it with the US. This is impossible. Sure, gold will cost about the same in all 3 countries, and differences between some materials might not amount to much, but in general China and Russia get alot more per "dollar" than the US.

The Russian military is by far the most powerful in Europe, and probably the same goes for Asia. Despite it's low spending, it's somewhat comparable to the US. They get alot of bang for the bucks and they have technology second to none for some things. China is a bit behind on technology, and I think a bit behind Russia and the US in general, but their improvements are exponential, and they also get alot more than the US for their bucks. I think China will propel by Russia and US in the future, and become a clearly superior military force, even if it spends less money than the US.

Allthemore important it is not to vilify Russia, because we need Russia, and they need us. We don't need to split the world in west vs Russia/China, but now we are forcing Russia into this position. Russia is more than willing to also have good relations with us, and to cooperate with us, but they will always choose the best solutions, independently, and sometimes they might side with us, other times with China. But now they are forced to always side with China.

This is not very clever. Russia is not a threat to anyone. They just want their interests to be respected, and they want to defend themselves. This is what they are doing and have been doing, and this includes Crimea.

I'm no expert on Russia, but from what I know, their GDP is a bit underestimated, due to their economy not being a finance based economy and their GDP not being blown up by overbloated stock markets and financial products etc. Let's just say their stock market is completely undervalued compared to a comparable economy like Germany where the stock market is completely overvalued.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Lol "defending themselves".

Yeah, Georgia was definitely going to roll tanks up to the Kremlin's gates :lamo
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Wasn't Georgia getting ready to become a NATO colony?

I think Russia made it pretty clear that is unacceptable.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
I don't care much about Russia tbh, but they are a victim of vicious and aggressive propaganda. And for that reason I tend to take the Russian side, purely because it is against liars and scum.
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The "vicious and aggressive propaganda" is pretty much founded in fact and logic.

Russia did meddle. The only question is how badly.
 
Fledermaus said:
The "vicious and aggressive propaganda" is pretty much founded in fact and logic.

Russia did meddle. The only question is how badly.
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Right, and where is the constant news and attention on US meddling in democratic elections?

It's a bogeyman used as propaganda. Even if Russia tried to meddle in the US election, it's irrelevant and made no difference at all.
 
Fledermaus said:
A NATO colony?

No such thing.
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Except all the European countries (many of which I have lived in), who are run by traitors to their nations who act not in the interest of their own people or their nation, but on behalf of and in the interests of the US. Quite literally traitors. And they control our countries, make up a large proportion of the political leadership.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Except all the European countries (many of which I have lived in), who are run by traitors to their nations who act not in the interest of their own people or their nation, but on behalf of and in the interests of the US. Quite literally traitors. And they control our countries, make up a large proportion of the political leadership.
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Why is joining a joint defense pact "traitorous"?

And no NATO nation is a colony. This is silly.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Right, and where is the constant news and attention on US meddling in democratic elections?
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Right where one might look for it. Newspapers, TV news, talk shows.

Maximus Zeebra said:
It's a bogeyman used as propaganda. Even if Russia tried to meddle in the US election, it's irrelevant and made no difference at all.
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It isn't a bogeyman if it is real. And it is real.

Please keep up.
 
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