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Third suspect in Skripal poisoning is Russian GRU agent: Bellingcat

DaveFagan said:
When posts are fabrications, I call them fabrications. Fabrications are usually paid for by someone. That's a clue.
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You are the only one here that is acting like you have been paid for. Putin is the only one with a motive. You seem to forget that.
 
Godric1970 said:
Bellingcat the so called independent .... outed as a UK paid government troll ... the man is as reliable as the BBC and CNN .... i wouldn't trust them if they told me it was raining outside
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So far, no one has been able to dispute their evidences/conclusions.

But if you have examples in which Bellingcat has been proven to be wrong ... please share such a revelation with us.
 
iguanaman said:
You are the only one here that is acting like you have been paid for. Putin is the only one with a motive. You seem to forget that.
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He doesn't forget. He needs a paycheck.
 
oneworld2 said:
Try answering the points raised instead of posting responses devoid of anything other than hot air
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Your first point is that four were sickened and one died. And? This means what? The one who died had more exposure. Right?

Novichok to my knowledge had not been employed before. Perhaps you could share your medical knowledge and tell us what the survivability rate should have been....
 
Fledermaus said:
Your incredulity is irrelevant to what happened.
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Allegedly , 5 people came into contact with a lethal nerve agent that is soooooo dangerous only one person died as a result. You need to answer this

When Porton Down scientists refused to say the Novichok was made in Russia the powers that be decided to coin the term " of a type developed by Russia ".................thus making it possible to point the finger at Russia whilst at the same time giving themselves the plausible deniability to say " we didn't claim it was made in Russia "

Normal people watching these sorts of BS antics , and also being versed in the fact that the powers that be in the UK have done these types of charades before , are right to view the whole affair with a large degree of scepticism or at least get their critical brain into gear

Unfortunately for people like yourself ,you have an overriding compulsion to believe the official state narrative at all costs. It's that same old BS as " why are we always the good guys "

The criticisms are there because the story is rubbish

Now , imo , there is a chance that a hit against the Skripals has been carried but the UK governments insistence that it was a state run hit has thus far not been confirmed by the evidence. Secondly , the way they have gone about it and the obvious junk within that state narrative has alarm bells ringing

Have the UK security/government establishment got form for false flag chemical threats/scaremongering against official state enemies ? The answer is yes they have

People are wise to be sceptical . Fanatics of the religion of state are a different category of observer imo and will ignore anything and everything that undermines their preferred state's narrative. So it's not surprising that you promote , unquestioningly , the pro West /anti Russian stance that is the Skripal affair
 
oneworld2 said:
Allegedly , 5 people came into contact with a lethal nerve agent that is soooooo dangerous only one person died as a result. You need to answer this

When Porton Down scientists refused to say the Novichok was made in Russia the powers that be decided to coin the term " of a type developed by Russia ".................thus making it possible to point the finger at Russia whilst at the same time giving themselves the plausible deniability to say " we didn't claim it was made in Russia "

Normal people watching these sorts of BS antics , and also being versed in the fact that the powers that be in the UK have done these types of charades before , are right to view the whole affair with a large degree of scepticism or at least get their critical brain into gear

Unfortunately for people like yourself ,you have an overriding compulsion to believe the official state narrative at all costs. It's that same old BS as " why are we always the good guys "

The criticisms are there because the story is rubbish

Now , imo , there is a chance that a hit against the Skripals has been carried but the UK governments insistence that it was a state run hit has thus far not been confirmed by the evidence. Secondly , the way they have gone about it and the obvious junk within that state narrative has alarm bells ringing

Have the UK security/government establishment got form for false flag chemical threats/scaremongering against official state enemies ? The answer is yes they have

People are wise to be sceptical . Fanatics of the religion of state are a different category of observer imo and will ignore anything and everything that undermines their preferred state's narrative. So it's not surprising that you promote , unquestioningly , the pro West /anti Russian stance that is the Skripal affair
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One huge argument from incredulity.

Based on your vast knowledge of chemical weapons how many people should have died?

And who other than Russia produced Novichok?

How do you explain the two GRU agents "vacationing" in the Skripal's neighborhood immediately before the event and leaving immediately after?

And the CCTVs that placed them in the immediate area of the Skripal house?

How about the Russians booted for relying to hack the OPCW?
 
Fledermaus said:
The evidence points to Russia.

Arguments from incredulity are not evidence.

Accusations are not evidence.

Stop with the CT mindset and actually THINK for once.
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the evidence the UK cites comes from the so called independent blogger Bellingcat who is on the UK government's payroll

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he doesn't like the truth being out

Dan Kaszeta on Twitter: "Please delete my invoices. I’m not kidding. I’ve been filing complaints all day.… "
 
Fledermaus said:
Please share.... What have they gotten wrong?
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as i've told you before BBC is in big trouble in Scotland for their impartiality ... they are just a propaganda channel for the UK government and they will most likely be branded as such when we leave the UK
 
Godric1970 said:
as i've told you before BBC is in big trouble in Scotland for their impartiality ... they are just a propaganda channel for the UK government and they will most likely be branded as such when we leave the UK
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WTF does that have to do with Bellingcat and their accuracy?
 
Godric1970 said:
as i said he is a paid up troll of the UK government he is anything but impartial
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He is someone who writes for a living and it is wrong of him to sell his work. Is that what you are saying?

Dan Kaszeta

I have 27 years experience in CBRN response, security, and antiterrorism. I live and work in London, in the United Kingdom. I currently am the owner and managing director of Strongpoint Security Ltd. I also contribute articles to magazines such as CBRNe World, the Journal of Terrorism and Cyber Insurance, Politics.co.uk, and European Security and Defence magazine. I am a frequent contributor at The Integrity Initiative and am working on the definitive history of nerve agents. \

Looks like he writes a lot.

And he is published a lot.

bellingcat - Dan Kaszeta, Author at bellingcat

You have a problem with this why?
 
DaveFagan said:
Your Skripal accusations are CT. You offer no evidence of anything. UK is tearing apart the roof of Skripal home and cordoning off areas Skripals visited. Perfume bottle that killed Dawn Sturgess was in an unopened sealed bos, ergo did not get used to spray any doorknob. Skripals visited known drug connection sites in Salisbury and were originally treated for fentanyl overdose. Skripal was handled by Pablo Miller and in association with Chris Steele of the Russian dossier fame and also the famous anti Russian PR group Integrity Initiative. These are MI6 people and bring them into the picture with great False Flag potential.. If you want to identify the guilty, you better start looking a little closer to home. Oh, wait a minute, you can't do that because you have to stay "On Message" with the Pentagon propaganda pipeline.
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You left this off when you quoted me.

I wonder why. (Not really)

It is not CT that two GRU agents entered England just prior to the poisonings.

It is not CT that two GRU agents were filmed in the immediate vicinity of the Skripals home just prior to the poisonings.

It is not CT that two GRU agents departed England just after the poisonings.

It is not CT that Porton Down initially identified the agent as Novichok.

It is not CT that the OPCW stated it was Novichok.

It is not CT that the Dutch deport Russians accused of trying to hack the OPCW. Dutch expelled Russians over alleged novichok lab hacking plot | UK news | The Guardian

It is not CT that the Spiez laboratory, near Berne, confirmed the British claim that the Skripals had been exposed to novichok.

It is not CT that the Swiss found the Spiez laboratory had been targeted by hackers said to be from the Russian government-affiliated group Sandworm.

It is not CT that Russia produced Novichok.

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It IS CT to claim Porton Down manufactured Novichok.

It IS CT to claim the US obtained Novichok while removing equipment.

It IS CT to claim the English did the poisoning.

It IS CT to claim the CIA did the poisoning.
 
Godric1970 said:
the evidence the UK cites comes from the so called independent blogger Bellingcat who is on the UK government's payroll

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he doesn't like the truth being out

Dan Kaszeta on Twitter: "Please delete my invoices. I’m not kidding. I’ve been filing complaints all day.… "
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This is your "evidence" that Bellingcat investigations are erroneous? A Tweet? By Stephen McIntyre? Who is that? Never before heard of the bloke.

And your citation leads to a closed page. Nothing at all about Bellingcat.
 
Fledermaus said:
The evidence points to Russia.

Arguments from incredulity are not evidence.

Accusations are not evidence.

Stop with the CT mindset and actually THINK for once.
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You are the one not thinking.
No, Zip, Zero, Nada. evidence any body, Russians or otherwise. Did I mention that there were two Israelis visiting Salisbury same day.. Also a couple of Aurstralians. Also a few Frenchmen.
They must be guilty as hell. French perfume bottle and box. Lots closer to Salisbury than either the Aussies or the Russians. About that evidence you don't have. CT.

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iguanaman said:
You are the only one here that is acting like you have been paid for. Putin is the only one with a motive. You seem to forget that.
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A false flag event staged to market the Cold War that we have initiated against Russia, by either or both the MI6 and/or CIA, and generating full blown Media by Integrity Initiative is a logical and reasonable motive.

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I left off the CT.

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DaveFagan said:
A false flag event staged to market the Cold War that we have initiated against Russia, by either or both the MI6 and/or CIA, and generating full blown Media by Integrity Initiative is a logical and reasonable motive.

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False Flag.... The mating call of the Conspiracy Theory hack...
 
DaveFagan said:
You are the one not thinking.
No, Zip, Zero, Nada. evidence any body, Russians or otherwise. Did I mention that there were two Israelis visiting Salisbury same day.. Also a couple of Aurstralians. Also a few Frenchmen.
They must be guilty as hell. French perfume bottle and box. Lots closer to Salisbury than either the Aussies or the Russians. About that evidence you don't have. CT.
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I would ask you for citation but we both know you are lying.

You have no evidence. You refuse to consider the evidence indicating Russians.

CT mindeset.
 
Fledermaus said:
I would ask you for citation but we both know you are lying.

You have no evidence. You refuse to consider the evidence indicating Russians.

CT mindeset.
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You are the CT source. No evidence of Russian participation in the Skripal event. Facts: Skripals incapacitated. Skripals treated for fentanyl overdose. Skripals not accounted for from 12 pm to 3 pm, possibly in drug dealing park area. Sturgess and Owens (?) both drug users and in park Two months later Owens finds sealed box with glass perfume bottle inside and gives it to Sturgess. Likely a plant to renew interest in movichok. Porton Down would not say it was "novichok." Skripal house bought by UK from Skripals and roof and rafters torn off. Poison on doorknob? What is the reson for that. Areas Skripals visited cordoned off. Were the Skripals making something in their house that backfired? Two D orders to censor UK papers on this matter. Skripal, Pablo Miller, and Christopher Steele all conspiring with Integrity Initiative to generate bad Media for Russia. A false flag fits perfectly into this scenario. A false flag is a signature covert tool of the CIA and MI6 and employees on their payroll a/k/a White Helmets. Lots of poisons available from Porton Down and only a few miles away. The only hard thing to believe is the crap that fieldmouse regurgitates.

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DaveFagan said:
You are the CT source. No evidence of Russian participation in the Skripal event. Facts: Skripals incapacitated. Skripals treated for fentanyl overdose. Skripals not accounted for from 12 pm to 3 pm, possibly in drug dealing park area. Sturgess and Owens (?) both drug users and in park Two months later Owens finds sealed box with glass perfume bottle inside and gives it to Sturgess. Likely a plant to renew interest in movichok. Porton Down would not say it was "novichok." Skripal house bought by UK from Skripals and roof and rafters torn off. Poison on doorknob? What is the reson for that. Areas Skripals visited cordoned off. Were the Skripals making something in their house that backfired? Two D orders to censor UK papers on this matter. Skripal, Pablo Miller, and Christopher Steele all conspiring with Integrity Initiative to generate bad Media for Russia. A false flag fits perfectly into this scenario. A false flag is a signature covert tool of the CIA and MI6 and employees on their payroll a/k/a White Helmets. Lots of poisons available from Porton Down and only a few miles away. The only hard thing to believe is the crap that fieldmouse regurgitates.

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What a long disjointed bull **** and lie filled post.

There is evidence of Russian involvement. Your handwaving does not change that.

Now out of the blue you accuse the Skripals of dealing drugs?

I would ask you for evidence, but we both know you are lying.

The rest is word salad with a side of Gish.

FALSE FLAG... FALSE FLAG.... BRAAAAWK POLLY WANTS A CRACKER AND RT.COM....
 
Fledermaus said:
What a long disjointed bull **** and lie filled post.

There is evidence of Russian involvement. Your handwaving does not change that.

Now out of the blue you accuse the Skripals of dealing drugs?

I would ask you for evidence, but we both know you are lying.

The rest is word salad with a side of Gish.

FALSE FLAG... FALSE FLAG.... BRAAAAWK POLLY WANTS A CRACKER AND RT.COM....
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You should stop watching that RT.com, it's owning you.

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