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Third suspect in Skripal poisoning is Russian GRU agent: Bellingcat

DaveFagan said:
Circumstantial evidence. Same as yours. Occam's razor says the proximity of WMD at Porton Down the much more likely source. Also a French perfume bottle indicating collusion by an EU partner, likely France, much closer than Russia. The Integrity (oxymoron) Initiative is involved and pushing False Flag narratives and anti Russian propaganda. Skripal and Steele and Pablo Miller and remember Steele is where the Dossier came from. Coinky-dink.
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You have the LOCATION of Porton Downs....

And? What else?

You claimed Porton Downs MANUFACTURED the agent. Evidence?

And the perfume bottle indicates collusion? HOW? They don't sell perfume in Russia? The Russian GRU agents cant buy French perfume?

Occam's razor says you have no idea what Occam's razor means....

Once again....

Two Russian spies charged with launching the Salisbury novichok attack arrived in the UK just two days before attempting to assassinate Sergei Skripal and fled back to Moscow hours later, police have revealed.

Investigators painstakingly combed through 11,000 hours of CCTV footage to compile a timeline of the movements of two men who were using genuine Russian passports in the names of Alexander Petrov and Ruslan Boshirov, which are believed to be aliases.

Theresa May said the men were members of Russia’s GRU military intelligence agency, after authorities issued European Arrest Warrants and Interpol red notices.

Salisbury nerve agent attack: Timeline of movements by Russian 'spies' charged with attempted assassination of Sergei Skripal | The Independent
 
Westphalian said:
Talking of evidence, can you explain why the UK has not brought charges against anyone?

It is a requirement of the justice system that charges can and should be brought when prosecutors feel sufficient evidence exists, even when the accused are not in the country.

Why has the UK not done so? '
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Two Russian spies charged with launching the Salisbury novichok attack arrived in the UK just two days before attempting to assassinate Sergei Skripal and fled back to Moscow hours later, police have revealed.

Investigators painstakingly combed through 11,000 hours of CCTV footage to compile a timeline of the movements of two men who were using genuine Russian passports in the names of Alexander Petrov and Ruslan Boshirov, which are believed to be aliases.

Theresa May said the men were members of Russia’s GRU military intelligence agency, after authorities issued European Arrest Warrants and Interpol red notices.
 
DaveFagan said:
Links and attribution for Post #24

The Novichok Story Is Indeed Another Iraqi WMD Scam - Craig Murray

The Novichok Story Is Indeed Another Iraqi WMD Scam 575 14 Mar, 2018 in Uncategorized by craig murray

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14 Mar, 2018....

Salisbury nerve agent attack: Timeline of movements by Russian 'spies' charged with attempted assassination of Sergei Skripal

Police appealing for information on suspects and their movements over two days in the UK

Lizzie Dearden
Home Affairs Correspondent @lizziedearden
Wednesday 5 September 2018 18:10
 
Rogue Valley said:
You still have not complied. Link me to a college program that has synthesized A234.
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-russia-skripal-czech/czechs-tested-novichok-like-substance-for-chemical-warfare-protection-government-idUSKBN1I51K2"Czechs tested Novichok-like substance for chemical warfare protection: government3 Min ReadPRAGUE (Reuters) - Nerve agents of the Novichok type though not the same as that used to poison a former Russian spy in Britain have been synthesized in tiny amounts in the Czech Republic to help train the army against chemical warfare, the government said. The Czech Republic had been listed among others by Russia as potential source of the Novichok-like substance that left ex-double agent Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia in critical condition in the English city of Salisbury on March 4. The Czech Defense Ministry said that it had carried out “microsynthesis” of several micrograms at a time of potential chemical warfare agents, including Novichok and sarin gas. This did not amount to production as understood under international treaty and could not have leaked, it said. “Substances referred to as ‘Novichok’ in the press, among them the A230 substance, are potential poisonous chemical substances, whose identification ... is part of the training of Czech anti-chemical military units,” a ministry statement said. “The tested substance originates in a tube solely for the purpose of measuring spectral data and the content is always immediately destroyed after testing, in line with regulations and the Czech Republic’s commitments,” it said. “The probability of a leak, therefore, equals zero.” The Foreign Ministry said separately that the A230 type tested in the Czech Republic was different from the substance known as A234 that had been used in the Skripal assault. The Czech government said earlier the substance used in Skripal’s poisoning could not have come from the Czech Republic. Britain accused Russia of being behind the March 4 attack on the Skripals. Moscow has denied any involvement. The New York Times quoted Ahmet Uzumcu, director general of the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, as saying on Thursday that about 50 to 100 grams of liquid nerve agent were used in the Skripal poisoning. That would be significantly larger amount than what would be created in a laboratory for research purposes, Uzumcu said. Information on the Czech testing was requested by President Milos Zeman, who has repeatedly taken pro-Russian positions on international issues such as the war in Ukraine and EU sanctions against Moscow. The Czech government, which is in charge of foreign policy, expelled three Russian diplomats as part of the European response to the attacks on the Skripals. Reporting by Jan Lopatka; Editing by Mark Heinrich"
 
DaveFagan said:
<Snipped irrelevant stuff>

Given that the OPCW has taken the view the evidence for the existence of “Novichoks” is dubious, if the UK actually has a sample of one it is extremely important the UK presents that sample to the OPCW. Indeed the UK has a binding treaty obligation to present that sample to OPCW. Russa has – unreported by the corporate media – entered a demand at the OPCW that Britain submit a sample of the Salisbury material for international analysis.
Yet Britain refuses to submit it to the OPCW.
Why?
A second part of May’s accusation is that “Novichoks” could only be made in certain military installations. But that is also demonstrably untrue. If they exist at all, Novichoks were allegedly designed to be able to be made at bench level in any commercial chemical facility – that was a major point of them. The only real evidence for the existence of Novichoks was the testimony of the ex-Soviet scientist Mizayanov. And this is what Mirzayanov actually wrote.
One should be mindful that the chemical components or precursors of A-232 or its binary version novichok-5 are ordinary organophosphates that can be made at commercial chemical companies that manufacture such products as fertilizers and pesticides.
Vil S. Mirzayanov, “Dismantling the Soviet/Russian Chemical Weapons Complex: An Insider’s View,” in Amy E. Smithson, Dr. Vil S. Mirzayanov, Gen Roland Lajoie, and Michael Krepon, Chemical Weapons Disarmament in Russia: Problems and Prospects, Stimson Report No. 17, October 1995, p. 21.
It is a scientific impossibility for Porton Down to have been able to test for Russian novichoks if they have never possessed a Russian sample to compare them to. They can analyse a sample as conforming to a Mirzayanov formula, but as he published those to the world twenty years ago, that is no proof of Russian origin. If Porton Down can synthesise it, so can many others, not just the Russians.
And finally – Mirzayanov is an Uzbek name and the novichok programme, assuming it existed, was in the Soviet Union but far away from modern Russia, at Nukus in modern Uzbekistan. I have visited the Nukus chemical weapons site myself. It was dismantled and made safe and all the stocks destroyed and the equipment removed by the American government, as I recall finishing while I was Ambassador there. There has in fact never been any evidence that any “novichok” ever existed in Russia itself.
To summarise:
1) Porton Down has acknowledged in publications it has never seen any Russian “novichoks”. The UK government has absolutely no “fingerprint” information such as impurities that can safely attribute this substance to Russia.
2) Until now, neither Porton Down nor the world’s experts at the Organisation for the Prevention of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) were convinced “Novichoks” even exist.
3) The UK is refusing to provide a sample to the OPCW.
4) “Novichoks” were specifically designed to be able to be manufactured from common ingredients on any scientific bench. The Americans dismantled and studied the facility that allegedly developed them. It is completely untrue only the Russians could make them, if anybody can.
5) The “Novichok” programme was in Uzbekistan not in Russia. Its legacy was inherited by the Americans during their alliance with Karimov, not by the Russians.
With a great many thanks to sources who cannot be named at this moment."

The Novichok Story Is Indeed Another Iraqi WMD Scam - Craig Murray
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Chemical weapons watchdog confirms Novichok use in Amesbury

September 4, 2018

AMSTERDAM (Reuters) - Laboratory tests by the chemical weapons watchdog confirmed British conclusions that two people in Amesbury, southwest England, were exposed to a Novichok-type nerve agent, it said on Tuesday.

The Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) said analysis by designated laboratories of samples collected by its team “confirm the findings of the United Kingdom relating to the identity of the toxic chemical.”

Dawn Sturgess, 44, died after she and her partner were exposed to the toxin near the city of Salisbury where Russian double agent Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia were struck down with the same poison in March.

The OPCW said “it is also the same toxic chemical that was found in the biomedical and environmental samples relating to the poisoning of Sergei Skripal”.



Looks like your source went off half cocked.
 
DaveFagan said:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-russia-skripal-czech/czechs-tested-novichok-like-substance-for-chemical-warfare-protection-government-idUSKBN1I51K2"Czechs tested Novichok-like substance for chemical warfare protection: government3 Min ReadPRAGUE (Reuters) - Nerve agents of the Novichok type though not the same as that used to poison a former Russian spy in Britain have been synthesized in tiny amounts in the Czech Republic to help train the army against chemical warfare, the government said. The Czech Republic had been listed among others by Russia as potential source of the Novichok-like substance that left ex-double agent Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia in critical condition in the English city of Salisbury on March 4. The Czech Defense Ministry said that it had carried out “microsynthesis” of several micrograms at a time of potential chemical warfare agents, including Novichok and sarin gas. This did not amount to production as understood under international treaty and could not have leaked, it said. “Substances referred to as ‘Novichok’ in the press, among them the A230 substance, are potential poisonous chemical substances, whose identification ... is part of the training of Czech anti-chemical military units,” a ministry statement said. “The tested substance originates in a tube solely for the purpose of measuring spectral data and the content is always immediately destroyed after testing, in line with regulations and the Czech Republic’s commitments,” it said. “The probability of a leak, therefore, equals zero.” The Foreign Ministry said separately that the A230 type tested in the Czech Republic was different from the substance known as A234 that had been used in the Skripal assault. The Czech government said earlier the substance used in Skripal’s poisoning could not have come from the Czech Republic. Britain accused Russia of being behind the March 4 attack on the Skripals. Moscow has denied any involvement. The New York Times quoted Ahmet Uzumcu, director general of the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, as saying on Thursday that about 50 to 100 grams of liquid nerve agent were used in the Skripal poisoning. That would be significantly larger amount than what would be created in a laboratory for research purposes, Uzumcu said. Information on the Czech testing was requested by President Milos Zeman, who has repeatedly taken pro-Russian positions on international issues such as the war in Ukraine and EU sanctions against Moscow. The Czech government, which is in charge of foreign policy, expelled three Russian diplomats as part of the European response to the attacks on the Skripals. Reporting by Jan Lopatka; Editing by Mark Heinrich"
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First line.....

PRAGUE (Reuters) - Nerve agents of the Novichok type though not the same as that used to poison a former Russian spy in Britain have been synthesized in tiny amounts in the Czech Republic to help train the army against chemical warfare, the government said.

Not

the

same.







Yoo Hoo, Dave.....

Craig Murray has been debunked.

Want to try again?
 
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Fledermaus said:
14 Mar, 2018....

Salisbury nerve agent attack: Timeline of movements by Russian 'spies' charged with attempted assassination of Sergei Skripal

Police appealing for information on suspects and their movements over two days in the UK

Lizzie Dearden
Home Affairs Correspondent @lizziedearden
Wednesday 5 September 2018 18:10
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The Craig Murray article shows that the USA was the last organization holding the Novichok when ALLEGEDLY destroyed the Russian novichok and the manufacturing facility. That puts the USA in position as a suspect perhaps withholding some novichok. Circumstantial Were there any Americans in Salisbury? Were they downtown? Are police seeking any info on these Americans?

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Fledermaus said:
14 Mar, 2018....

Salisbury nerve agent attack: Timeline of movements by Russian 'spies' charged with attempted assassination of Sergei Skripal

Police appealing for information on suspects and their movements over two days in the UK

Lizzie Dearden
Home Affairs Correspondent @lizziedearden
Wednesday 5 September 2018 18:10
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Goebbels says if you re-tell a lie often enough, as you do, people will begin to think it is the truth.

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DaveFagan said:
The Craig Murray article shows that the USA was the last organization holding the Novichok when ALLEGEDLY destroyed the Russian novichok and the manufacturing facility.
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Craig Murrays OPINION is worthless....

What say you about the movements of the GRU agents?

After flying to London from Moscow on 2 March, they carried out a reconnaissance mission to Salisbury the following day, then returned on 4 March to deploy the nerve agent.

They were caught on CCTV near Mr Skripal’s house at noon, and by the time the former Russian double agent and his daughter fell ill the pair were on their way back to London to catch a flight back to Moscow.

What would Occam say?

DaveFagan said:
That puts the USA in position as a suspect perhaps withholding some novichok.
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Based on the OPINION of someone proven wrong.

DaveFagan said:
Circumstantial
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And?

DaveFagan said:
Were there any Americans in Salisbury?
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Irrelevant.

DaveFagan said:
Were they downtown?
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Irrelevant.

DaveFagan said:
Are police seeking any info on these Americans?
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Why would they?

Based on what EVIDENCE would they look at Americans?
 
Fledermaus said:
First line.....

PRAGUE (Reuters) - Nerve agents of the Novichok type though not the same as that used to poison a former Russian spy in Britain have been synthesized in tiny amounts in the Czech Republic to help train the army against chemical warfare, the government said.

Not

the

same.







Yoo Hoo, Dave.....

Craig Murray has been debunked.

Want to try again?
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The UK has refused to submit samples of the poison so noone actually knows what it is.

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DaveFagan said:
Goebbels says if you re-tell a lie often enough, as you do, people will begin to think it is the truth.
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TRANSLATION: DaveFagan has no intelligent response for the post so he accuses others of lying.

You can't understand the dates involved?

Let me spell it out for you.

Craig Murray posts a very CT like opinion on 14 Mar, 2018....

Investigation continues and on 5 September 2018 Police release information on the GRU agents.....

True to the CT creed you give weight to an early and flawed OPINION while ignoring the results of later INVESTIGATIONS.
 
Fledermaus said:
Craig Murrays OPINION is worthless....

What say you about the movements of the GRU agents?

After flying to London from Moscow on 2 March, they carried out a reconnaissance mission to Salisbury the following day, then returned on 4 March to deploy the nerve agent.

They were caught on CCTV near Mr Skripal’s house at noon, and by the time the former Russian double agent and his daughter fell ill the pair were on their way back to London to catch a flight back to Moscow.

What would Occam say?



Based on the OPINION of someone proven wrong.



And?



Irrelevant.



Irrelevant.



Why would they?

Based on what EVIDENCE would they look at Americans?
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How many homosexuals in the GRU. Likely, zip, zero, nada.
Start with a lie and no more reading is necessary.

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DaveFagan said:
The UK has refused to submit samples of the poison so noone actually knows what it is.
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Why lie?

Chemical weapons watchdog confirms Novichok use in Amesbury

September 4, 2018

AMSTERDAM (Reuters) - Laboratory tests by the chemical weapons watchdog confirmed British conclusions that two people in Amesbury, southwest England, were exposed to a Novichok-type nerve agent, it said on Tuesday.

The Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) said analysis by designated laboratories of samples collected by its team “confirm the findings of the United Kingdom relating to the identity of the toxic chemical.”

Dawn Sturgess, 44, died after she and her partner were exposed to the toxin near the city of Salisbury where Russian double agent Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia were struck down with the same poison in March.

The OPCW said “it is also the same toxic chemical that was found in the biomedical and environmental samples relating to the poisoning of Sergei Skripal”.
 
DaveFagan said:
When posts are fabrications, I call them fabrications. Fabrications are usually paid for by someone. That's a clue.
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No it's not "a clue", its a load of nonsense.
 
DaveFagan said:
The Craig Murray article shows that the USA was the last organization holding the Novichok when ALLEGEDLY destroyed the Russian novichok and the manufacturing facility.
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The article discusses the DESTRUCTION of stocks.

"It was dismantled and made safe and all the stocks destroyed and the equipment removed by the American government"
 
Fledermaus said:
The article discusses the DESTRUCTION of stocks.

"It was dismantled and made safe and all the stocks destroyed and the equipment removed by the American government"
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So you agree that the USA was the last Nation holding the novichoks stocks. ALLEGEDLY destroyed.

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Where's that college/Novichok link?

Either supply it now or admit you were spouting nonsense.
 
Fledermaus said:
EVIDENCE this is true?
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You do realize that you base all your fabrications upon Bellingcat, a notorious MI6/CIA mouthpiece for propaganda, just like StratFor.
Get Real.

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Fledermaus said:
Not holding.

No one said the US was holding stocks.

The US removed the equipment.

Try reading for comprehension.
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No one said the Russians were holding stocks. As a matter of fact the USA alleged that all stocks were destroyed.

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