Thread: Putin´s side-kick Surkov: "Russia will not only expand politically or militarily; it will also expan

Originally Posted by DaveFagan

This is reality.
Putin has allied with China to develop Eurasia because Russia, China, and the EU share the same continental land mass and are forever linked geographically. For that reason they ae developing initiatives that will be of benefit to those that share Eurasia. When the "Belt and Road Initiative" is mentioned, think of Eisenhower's Interstate Highway System in the USA. A great success linking the US states. Created jobs, industries, distribution, and maximized commerce to the benefit of all the states involved. Russia provides 11 time zones of natural resources, EU had well developed industry, China has huge labor market and these factors acknowledge a symbiosis for mutual benefit. That is what the USA fears and why it attempts to portray as an enemy and a danger. Russia and China do present a huge threat to the USDollar denominated World economy because it has been so poorly managed by the USA Plutocrats. The citizens of the Eurasian landmass are natural allies, not natural enemies. The EU should remember that it was Russia that wiped out 6 of the 7 Germans armies during WWII and acknowledge that contribution to the salvation of the European Nations. Japan's location off the edge of the Eurasian landmass will cause the Japanese to pause and examine more closely their relationship with the USA. India can already see mutual benefits to the initiative. The USA sends Armies and NGOs all over the World. Russia and China send diplomats. That's the current reality. Personalities of leaders are not adequate metaphors to indict Nations. Keeristtt, in the USA we project a lying, narcissistic, philanderer as our metaphor. Look behind the screem! The USA fears this alliance and recreates the Cold War and is trying to every Military/Economic/Trade/Political/FalseFlagss measures to block what is likely an inevitable alliance.
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YOUR realty. Which is conspiracy nonsense.

Originally Posted by DaveFagan

I see. You must stay "on Message," as that is the Pentagon narrative. No thinking allowed. I don't have those constraints.

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Your constraint is an inordinate lack of common sense and critical thinking.

Originally Posted by Rogue Valley

No. The overarching point is that this is a Russian invasion and not a civil war. If it truly was a civil war, why haven't the Russian speaking oblasts climbed aboard?

Sumy? Kharkiv? Dnipro? Zaporizhia? Mycolayiv, Odesa? Where are they in this supposed civil war? Fighting the invaders.

If this was just criminal acts by some eastern Ukrainians, this war would have been over in early 2014. It's a Russian invasion, planned, managed, and fed by the Kremlin.

You're hung up on terminology.


It's not an invasion because it's very clear that there is popular disgust at Kiev. After all, destroying towns with artillery, cutting off state pensions, and trying to blockade Donbas from the rest of Ukraine is not going to win hearts and minds is it?

This isn't rocket science. Of course Russia aids the separatists. I admit that, but it would be good if you could stop with this silly denial of Ukraine's terribly split peoples.


PS The fact that other parts of Ukraine are not revolting against Kiev is not an argument that the people of Donbas support Kiev. Maybe people don't want to suffer Kiev's nazi style tactics.

Originally Posted by Westphalian

It's not an invasion...

When troops and tanks and artillery pieces come across the border uninvited, it's an invasion by any definition.

RV's class on how to avoid addressing inconvenient truths.



Ukraine is, and always has been, divided - and this now manifests in a civil war in Donbas. Pretending otherwise is utterly fatuous.

Originally Posted by Westphalian

Ukraine is, and always has been, divided - and this now manifests in a civil war in Donbas. Pretending otherwise is utterly fatuous.

Russia has always been poor, backward, divided, and corrupt.

See how easy that is Vlad?

Originally Posted by Westphalian

RV's class on how to avoid addressing inconvenient truths.



Ukraine is, and always has been, divided - and this now manifests in a civil war in Donbas. Pretending otherwise is utterly fatuous.

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