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PC Madness in UK?

Westphalian

Westphalian

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Mother is arrested in front of her children after calling a transgender woman a man | Daily Mail Online

A mother was arrested in front of her children and locked up for seven hours after referring to a transgender woman as a man online. Three officers detained Kate Scottow at her home before quizzing her at a police station about an argument with an activist on Twitter over so-called 'deadnaming'.

The 38-year-old, from Hitchin, Hertfordshire, had her photograph, DNA and fingerprints taken and remains under investigation. More than two months after her arrest on December 1, she has had neither her mobile phone or laptop returned, which she says is hampering her studies for a Masters in forensic psychology.
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You think the police did this without evidence of her targeting Stephanie Hayden?
 
Americans who are planning to visit England should know that its government is much more politically correct than ours (so far).

I believe that some of the comments allowed on this forum, for example, would not be allowed on the Internet in England.

Be very careful.

Hopefully, some Brits can elaborate on this topic.



P.S. The OP's source is London's Daily Mail online edition. It regularly carries news about the States that most American newspapers will not report.
 
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Meanwhile, in America we have a president who retweets and elevates a British hate group.

No, I'm not too alarmed by Britain's attempts to protect minority populations from abuse. If you are a wannabe healthcare professional living in England, it is not too much to ask that you don't harass transgenders.
 
Westphalian said:
Mother is arrested in front of her children after calling a transgender woman a man | Daily Mail Online

A mother was arrested in front of her children and locked up for seven hours after referring to a transgender woman as a man online. Three officers detained Kate Scottow at her home before quizzing her at a police station about an argument with an activist on Twitter over so-called 'deadnaming'.

The 38-year-old, from Hitchin, Hertfordshire, had her photograph, DNA and fingerprints taken and remains under investigation. More than two months after her arrest on December 1, she has had neither her mobile phone or laptop returned, which she says is hampering her studies for a Masters in forensic psychology.
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Unlike the sense created by the headline and opening paragraphs of text, it appears Scottow was arrested for a "campaign" of harassment.

High Court papers obtained by The Mail on Sunday detail how Mrs Scottow is accused of a 'campaign of targeted harassment' against Miss Hayden, allegedly motivated by her 'status as a transgender woman'.

The papers claim that, as a 'toxic' debate raged online over plans to allow people to 'self-ID' as another gender, Mrs Scottow tweeted 'defamatory' messages about Miss Hayden.

She is also alleged to have used accounts in two names to 'harass, defame, and publish derogatory and defamatory tweets' about Miss Hayden, including referring to her as male, stating she was 'racist, xenophobic and a crook' and mocking her as a 'fake lawyer'.
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I don't see a reason to be surprised by LEOs taking action in response to a fusillade of disparagement, but then I don't know what is UK law on such matters.
 
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The question is why the police sent 3 officers to arrest a woman at her home for tweeting someone calling the complainant a man.

Perhaps there is no more serious crime in the UK which might be a better use of police time? Also not sure why such matters are a criminal offence?
 
Xelor said:
Unlike the sense created by the headline and opening paragraphs of text, it appears Scottow was arrested for a "campaign" of harassment.
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He just needs to crap on some country in Europe since he can't defend the Putin regime very well.
 
Westphalian said:
Mother is arrested in front of her children after calling a transgender woman a man | Daily Mail Online
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Kate Scottow used two Twitter accounts, under different names, to unleash a 'campaign of harassment' against Stephanie Hayden. Aside from referring to Miss Hayden as a male, the mum-of-two also called her “racist, xenophobic and a crook” while also branding her a “fake lawyer.”

You fail as is your habit.

Speaking of "fail", that's what that rag you cite is called, "Daily Fail".

Also "Daily Wail" and in both terms somehow you come to mind.:roll:
 
Westphalian said:
The question is why the police sent 3 officers to arrest a woman at her home for tweeting someone calling the complainant a man.

Perhaps there is no more serious crime in the UK which might be a better use of police time? Also not sure why such matters are a criminal offence?
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The real question is why having started out with a :failpail:, you then follow up with yet another :failpail:

Pathetic.:roll:
 
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TheParser said:
*..........Hopefully, some Brits can elaborate on this topic.........................~
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Indeed.

There used to be a wall poster around (and maybe still is) that read "Dear Lord, help me to keep my big mouth shut until I really know what I'm talking about".

I respectfully suggest you try to get hold of a copy and then hang that above your bed.;)
 
Xelor said:
...but then I don't know what is UK law on such matters.

Chagos said:
to paraphrase the inimitable Silent Cal (Coolidge) when his wife asked what the parson, during Sunday sermon, had to say on the topic of sin, "He was against it".:lol:
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??? What? Are you against UK law on such matters?

I have no idea why you've paraphrased Coolidge. What are you against? Are you presuming I'm against something? If so, what?
 
Amelia said:
Meanwhile, in America we have a president who retweets and elevates a British hate group.

No, I'm not too alarmed by Britain's attempts to protect minority populations from abuse. If you are a wannabe healthcare professional living in England, it is not too much to ask that you don't harass transgenders.
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You are confusing the issue with some facts. What's more, you've done the unspeakable deed of background research.

How dare you? :lol:
 
Xelor said:
??? What? Are you against UK law on such matters?

I have no idea why you've paraphrased Coolidge. What are you against? Are you presuming I'm against something? If so, what?
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None of the above.

I was (admittedly in a roundabout way) pointing to the fact that UK law is against the behaviour engaged in by Kate Scottow.
 
Rogue Valley said:
He just needs to crap on some country in Europe since he can't defend the Putin regime very well.
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......and, judging by the source he uses, as well as the background research he's so sorely lacking in (as always), even that effort of crapping (onto any country) is truly pitiful to boot.
 
Chagos said:
None of the above.

I was (admittedly in a roundabout way) pointing to the fact that UK law is against the behaviour engaged in by Kate Scottow.
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TY for the clarification. Now I understand you.

Yes, UK law proscribes defamation.
 
Westphalian said:
The question is why the police sent 3 officers to arrest a woman at her home for tweeting someone calling the complainant a man.

Perhaps there is no more serious crime in the UK which might be a better use of police time? Also not sure why such matters are a criminal offence?
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You'd prefer the scenes such as I have seen from Russia which is for a gay / lesbian or transgender person to have the snot beaten out of them by a gang and the video of said beating posted online for others to gloat over?
 
Westphalian said:
Mother is arrested in front of her children after calling a transgender woman a man | Daily Mail Online
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A bit of advice for those unfamiliar with the Daily Mail – it is a grossly dishonest publication (like many UK tabloids) and shouldn’t be trusted, especially in its headlines. For example, whenever you see a headline in the form “[X happened] after [Y happened]” I guarantee Y will not be the cause of X. They use the word “after” because they know readers will assume a causal link even if there isn’t one.

For all those who didn’t even read the full article, it goes on to say that the woman in question was accused of a “campaign of targeted harassment”, which would be why she was arrested. She is, of course, innocent until proven guilty but the alleged offence is much more serious than the headline quite deliberately tried to make out. The transgender aspect strikes me as irrelevant unless you want to argue that transgender people shouldn’t receive the same level of legal protection as anyone else. It shouldn’t matter why someone was harassed, only whether they were or not.
 
Westphalian said:
The question is why the police sent 3 officers to arrest a woman at her home for tweeting someone calling the complainant a man.
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”It’s terrible that they arrested a woman when she had two young children with her!”
“It’s terrible that they sent three officers to arrest one woman!”

They can’t win can they?
 
The issues here are about when freedom of expression is illegal, about when causing offence to someone justifies arresting someone else.

There is another issue of course about the best use of police time. London is for example descending into a hotbed of knife crime and murder.

Is policing Twitter a better use of time than enforcing the laws on the carrying of knives as offensive weapons, let alone solving the murders and injuries caused by their use?

These are important questions which are rightly being asked.
 
Westphalian said:
Mother is arrested in front of her children after calling a transgender woman a man | Daily Mail Online
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A UK singer was jailed for singing "Kung Foo Fighting" because there was a Asian couple walking by.

Man arrested for singing 'Kung Fu Fighting' - World news - Europe | NBC News

Getting caught watching "Blazing Saddles" in the UK would probably get you 30 years these days.

It's the UK ...........where Margaret Thatcher was the last best man they have had in power.
 
Westphalian said:
The issues here are about when freedom of expression is illegal, about when causing offence to someone justifies arresting someone else.
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That is a valid question but you chose not to ask it in your OP. Do you accept that if someone engaged in something legitimately described as a “campaign of targeted harassment” it would beyond legitimate freedom of expression?

Westphalian said:
There is another issue of course about the best use of police time. London is for example descending into a hotbed of knife crime and murder.
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This wasn’t in London though. And if the police hadn’t responded to this complaint, you’d probably have posted the inevitable Daily Mail article ranting against the police for failing to protect the poor victim and unconditionally demonising the alleged offender. They really can’t win.

Westphalian said:
Is policing Twitter a better use of time than enforcing the laws on the carrying of knives as offensive weapons, let alone solving the murders and injuries caused by their use?
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They’re not policing Twitter, they responded to a report of a “campaign of targeted harassment”. It doesn’t matter whether the alleged harassment was online, by phone, by letter or in person, it is a serious criminal complaint that the police are duty bound to investigate. They wouldn’t go as far as arresting a non-violent offender if they didn’t think there was a legitimate case to answer. It’s not as if police officers want to waste their time arresting mothers. They want to deal with serious crime at least as much as we all want them to.

Westphalian said:
These are important questions which are rightly being asked.
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If you think they’re the important questions here, why didn’t you ask them in your OP?
 
RetiredUSN said:
A UK singer was jailed for singing "Kung Foo Fighting" because there was a Asian couple walking by.
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People really need to read tabloid trash stories more carefully (and preferably click through to the primary sources) before reacting to them. In a single line, you repeated one lie and invented one of your own.

First, he was arrested but immediately released on street bail (all the articles are conveniently silent on exactly why he was arrested at that point). He wasn’t even taken to a police station, let alone “jailed” (see the BBC link in your source). I hope that was just an error on your part but even if that was the case, it just goes to show that you need to make sure you fully understand a situation before jumping to conclusions.

Secondly, though he says they were merely performing the song (which could be entirely true) he was actually accused of racial abuse and it was that which was the basis of the arrest. It could well have been a false accusation or he could not be telling the entire story but it is not fair to say the police arrested him just for performing the song. The police can only act on the information they receive and indeed, arresting a suspect is a legitimate part of gathering more information.
 
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