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    Re: PC Madness in UK?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    You think the police did this without evidence of her targeting Stephanie Hayden?
    I suppose that depends on what you consider to be "targeting". According to the article the problems involved online "harassment" in the form of referring to the individual, intentionally, with their non-preferred gender pronoun. I mean, I can understand how someone might be upset by that but I fail to see how it warrants arrest, confiscation of personal electronic communications devices and detention for "several hours".

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    Re: PC Madness in UK?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    You think the police did this without evidence of her targeting Stephanie Hayden?
    Do you believe that it is an appropriate use of judicial resources for people to be arrested, tried and perhaps imprisoned for "deadnaming" transgendered individuals, Amelia? Would you advocate for such laws in the United States?

    Because here is my thought: Unless this woman doxxed the transgendered individual in question, I think the appropriate response to online harassment is to be banned from the social network where the harassment took place. If Twitter wants to ban her, perfectly fine.

    EDIT: And if she did indeed defame the transgendered woman in question, the appropriate course of action is for the transgendered woman to file a civil suit against her and seek monetary damages.
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    Re: PC Madness in UK?

    What's up with this recent obsession in the UK from a our resident Russian trolls? It's almost like they feel like they have something to be defensive over?
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    Re: PC Madness in UK?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    I suppose that depends on what you consider to be "targeting". According to the article the problems involved online "harassment" in the form of referring to the individual, intentionally, with their non-preferred gender pronoun. I mean, I can understand how someone might be upset by that but I fail to see how it warrants arrest, confiscation of personal electronic communications devices and detention for "several hours".
    Try again. According to the article there was more involved than just referring to her with her non-preferred gender pronoun.

    That of course is the convenient part of the charges to focus on if you want to act like there was nothing worth complaining about. But the article said much more than that was involved in the allegations. Did you read the article or not? If you did, then why act like all the accused did was to use the wrong pronoun? If you don't think the REST of what the accused is alleged to have done was worth prosecuting, say that. But don't pretend that it's all about using the wrong pronoun.

    The papers claim that, as a 'toxic' debate raged online over plans to allow people to 'self-ID' as another gender, Mrs Scottow tweeted 'defamatory' messages about Miss Hayden.

    She is also alleged to have used accounts in two names to 'harass, defame, and publish derogatory and defamatory tweets' about Miss Hayden, including referring to her as male, stating she was 'racist, xenophobic and a crook' and mocking her as a 'fake lawyer'.

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    Re: PC Madness in UK?

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    What's up with this recent obsession in the UK from a our resident Russian trolls? It's almost like they feel like they have something to be defensive over?
    The European forum is ruined because of it, IMO.
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    Re: PC Madness in UK?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    Try again. According to the article there was more involved than just referring to her with her non-preferred gender pronoun.

    That of course is the convenient part of the charges to focus on if you want to act like there was nothing worth complaining about. But the article said much more than that was involved in the allegations. Did you read the article or not? If you did, then why act like all the accused did was to use the wrong pronoun? If you don't think the REST of what the accused is alleged to have done was worth prosecuting, say that. But don't pretend that it's all about using the wrong pronoun.
    Um...all that amounts to "someone on the internet called me names". I mean, do you really think that should warrant criminal charges or even arrest on suspicion of criminal activity? There has to be a level of damages for an act to be criminal and "it hurt my feelings" really shouldn't be considered "damaging". That would ESPECIALLY be the case in situations where the victim could easily and readily disengage from the harassment.

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    Re: PC Madness in UK?

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    What's up with this recent obsession in the UK from a our resident Russian trolls?
    You had to know they were coming to DP. They're present at all social media/board sites.


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    Re: PC Madness in UK?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Um...all that amounts to "someone on the internet called me names". I mean, do you really think that should warrant criminal charges or even arrest on suspicion of criminal activity? There has to be a level of damages for an act to be criminal and "it hurt my feelings" really shouldn't be considered "damaging". That would ESPECIALLY be the case in situations where the victim could easily and readily disengage from the harassment.

    You are moving the goal posts. It's nice to see you acknowledge there is more to it than you originally claimed, but there's still more alleged than merely namecalling. Making two accounts to harass someone is more than mere namecalling.

    You obviously don't want to talk about the actual allegations in a serious way so why are you wasting your time and mine?

    ^^ rhetorical question ... I doubt your answer would be substantive or humorous or creative enough to make me want to reply again ...

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    Re: PC Madness in UK?

    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    People really need to read tabloid trash stories more carefully (and preferably click through to the primary sources) before reacting to them. In a single line, you repeated one lie and invented one of your own.

    First, he was arrested but immediately released on street bail (all the articles are conveniently silent on exactly why he was arrested at that point). He wasn’t even taken to a police station, let alone “jailed” (see the BBC link in your source). I hope that was just an error on your part but even if that was the case, it just goes to show that you need to make sure you fully understand a situation before jumping to conclusions.

    Secondly, though he says they were merely performing the song (which could be entirely true) he was actually accused of racial abuse and it was that which was the basis of the arrest. It could well have been a false accusation or he could not be telling the entire story but it is not fair to say the police arrested him just for performing the song. The police can only act on the information they receive and indeed, arresting a suspect is a legitimate part of gathering more information.
    Arrested - Jailed....who gives a ****.

    Same same in my book. You still are going to see the judge.

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    Re: PC Madness in UK?

    Westphalian:

    The Malicious Communications Act has been a threat to free speech in the UK since 1988 when it was first passed and given Royal assent. IIRC a guy in the UK who said publicly that a competitive diver had disappointed his own dad by losing a competition was done using this law around 2010-12. By the wording of the law every cease and desist letter sent by a lawyer could be construed using this law to be a crime. Hey, maybe it's not such a bad law after all.

    Three of the things Ms. Scottow was reported to have said online were just matters of opinion and the last one could have been handled by libel law. If one holds the conviction that while people can self-identify as whatever they choose to be, it does not follow that such people can compel others to agree with them, nor have the state compel the agreement then this is bad, bad application of a bad law. If Ms. Scottow embarked upon a campaign of harassment then do her for harassment and if she libelled the plaintiff then have her done on either civil or criminal libel. But prosecuting people for refusing to acquiesce to the identity demands of others is absurd and an abuse of the legal system and the legislative responsibility.

    The way the arrest was handled is a matter for concern and I hope the Hertfordshire constabulary explains publicly why the acted the way they did in this case. If they had good reasons for what seems on the surface to be a very heavy-handed approach for dealing with a very rude and very determined woman being insulting online, then let them justify their actions to the UK public. The coppers might have had good reasons for doing what they did, so let's hear that reasoning in the very near future.

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