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    Re: The falsification of history: 'Ukraine' is not a country

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    They don't have a stable democracy or territorial integrity. Ukraine in it's current form simply isn't ready. The EU admits them at their own peril.
    Au contraré. 48 candidates filed for the March 29 presidential election.

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    Re: The falsification of history: 'Ukraine' is not a country

    Quote Originally Posted by CEngelbrecht View Post
    You're losing it all. And you have none but yourselves to blame. You were bad masters.

    I don't know who the hell you're talking about. Ukraine is a mess, and why the EU would want to take that on is beyond me. Seems like a bad idea.

    Think about it. Let's say they get Crinea and the Donbass region back. Ok, then a pro-Russian Predident gets elected. So they have a "revolution" again. It's happened twice over a decade. The Ukrainians in the West want to be in the EU. That's fine, I can understand why. The ethnic Russisns in the East want to be close to Russia, which is understandable.

    So they can never be a stable democracy like that. Is that something the EU wants?


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    Re: The falsification of history: 'Ukraine' is not a country

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
    Au contraré. 48 candidates filed for the March 29 presidential election.

    You Only Wish You Had Ukraine’s Democracy
    Number of candidates dies not make them stable.


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    Re: The falsification of history: 'Ukraine' is not a country

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Number of candidates dies not make them stable.
    Not anywhere else for that matter. A terrible argument.


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    Re: The falsification of history: 'Ukraine' is not a country

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    Not anywhere else for that matter. A terrible argument.
    It is a terrible argument, yet you are making it.


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    Re: The falsification of history: 'Ukraine' is not a country

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    It is a terrible argument, yet you are making it.
    You said democracy in Ukraine is terrible. However, participation is a benchmark of democracy.


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    Re: The falsification of history: 'Ukraine' is not a country

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I don't know who the hell you're talking about. Ukraine is a mess, and why the EU would want to take that on is beyond me. Seems like a bad idea.

    Think about it. Let's say they get Crinea and the Donbass region back. Ok, then a pro-Russian Predident gets elected. So they have a "revolution" again. It's happened twice over a decade. The Ukrainians in the West want to be in the EU. That's fine, I can understand why. The ethnic Russisns in the East want to be close to Russia, which is understandable.

    So they can never be a stable democracy like that. Is that something the EU wants?
    To translate to the rest of you: How dare they want to chose their own destiny? Don't they know, they're Moscow's vassal state for all eternity?

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    Re: The falsification of history: 'Ukraine' is not a country

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
    You said democracy in Ukraine is terrible. However, participation is a benchmark of democracy.
    It is a benchmark, but far from the only one.

    What has happened over the years in Ukraine? When a President gets elected that doesn't jibe with some people's ideas, do they wait for the next election? No, they have a revolution. Basically, a coup. It's hard to argue that it is a functioning democracy when there is no respect for democratic principles.


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    Re: The falsification of history: 'Ukraine' is not a country

    Quote Originally Posted by CEngelbrecht View Post
    To translate to the rest of you: How dare they want to chose their own destiny? Don't they know, they're Moscow's vassal state for all eternity?
    Total fail. Lack of reading comprehension noted.

    They have every right to join the EU. The question is, does the EU want a country where democracy doesn't function? Does the EU want to admit a state that doesn't control its territory?

    Apparently, you think they do and any suggestion to the contrary means I'm a Russian plant.


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    Re: The falsification of history: 'Ukraine' is not a country

    Quote Originally Posted by Abbazorkzog View Post
    It was Yanukovich who "shredded" the agreement. And the protesters were backed by the EU, not the US. The US didn't do anything to help or harm Ukraine one way or another until recently. In fact, a US official was once caught on tape saying "**** the EU," pretty casually. And, furthermore, they were NON-VIOLENT. And they were attacked by a ruthless regime/police state with MILITARY TACTICS. The Oblast of Lviv LITERALLY SECEDED from Yanukovich's regime over this. LITERALLY.



    Wrong, wrong and wrong.



    There's so much wrong here I don't know where to start. I guess I'll just say that RUSSIA INVADED UKRAINE. They literally HIRED BLACKWATER-CLASS MERCENARIES TO OCCUPY AN AIRPORT. I mean this has LITERALLY been reported EVERYWHERE REGARDLESS of political lean (with the exception of RT/Sputnik and the Alt-Right). EVERY other major Republican and Democratic and Independent and Libertarian and Right-Wing, Left-Wing, Centrist, Progressive, etc. website has reported on this.



    Your clearly building a strawman here to distract from the fact that RUSSIA INVADED AND OCCUPIED CRIMEA. They did EXACTLY what NATO did with Kosovo, only they hired Russian, Ukrainian and other-ethnicity mercenaries to do the dirty work. Either way, Russian men, weapons and money were involved in the Invasion of Crimea in March 2014.



    I was giving another perspective - a concept which seems literally alien to you.


    Your whole post is really one litany of intolerance, a complete inability to see anything other than what you deign to be the absolute 'truth'. This is the problem with many in the West these days ........ they adopt a form of absolutism which leaves no room for any opinions outside a small and self defined envelope.

    You even go into complete truth denial. When I suggested that early proposals to ban the Russian language was a move likely to alienate and indicate hate towards Russian speakers, you simply dismiss me as 'WRONG'. Yet in this upside down world, it is you who is denying the truth, and it is your post which is 'liked' by people who know better.

    That is an indication of the messed up world of western propaganda and those who spread it either through ignorance or wilfully.
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