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    Re: The falsification of history: 'Ukraine' is not a country



    I suggest you read some history of the region, you ignorance is very evident. You should be ashamed.

    Ukraine was a sovereign state when the Huns of Mongolia came across the Steppes, Ukrain, Kiev actually, was where they were stopped with the aid of King Sobiesky of Poland, who invented modern cavalry as it is used today with tanks.

    Over time, due to the stresses Asians occupying the country, Ukraine broke down to several sates, Poland absorbing the west, and the east becoming mini-states until the rise of the people we now call Russian.

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    Re: The falsification of history: 'Ukraine' is not a country

    Quote Originally Posted by Westphalian View Post



    Russia doesn't want to, and won't, invade Ukraine ...... it's a failing state and another economic drain which the West won't save.


    My personal view is that Ukraine will correct the excesses of its current regime madness in making Russia an enemy.
    Great show, Gospodin.

    Next thing I'll steal your land, kidnap members of your family and send a bunch of thugs to make parts of your garden unsafe. After accomplishing all of that, I'll accuse you of having made an enemy of me.

    One wonders whether you actually hear yourself.
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    Re: The falsification of history: 'Ukraine' is not a country

    If Ukraine is not a state, then neither is the Russian Federation. Both new states were created at the dissolution of the USSR with the signing of the Belavezha Accords (Creation Agreement) in 1991.



    The Belavezha Accords signing ceremony at Viskuly Government House in the Belarusian Belovezhskaya Pushcha National Park, 8 December 1991.

    Signatories from left to right:

    Ukraine: First Deputy Prime Minister of Ukraine Vitold Fokin and first Ukraine President Leonard Kravchuk

    Belarus: First Head of State of independent Belarus Stanislav Shushkevich and first Prime Minister of Belarus Vyacheslav Kebich

    Russian Federation: First President of the Russian Federation Boris Yeltsin and the first Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation Gennady Burbulis


    Another document signed regarding the newly independent former USSR states:

    Alma-Ata Protocol 1991


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    Re: The falsification of history: 'Ukraine' is not a country

    the usual balderdash from a Russian right wing propaganda sewer.

    Whassamatter Gospodin, you getting so embarrassed at constantly having your own offerings shredded that you had to fall back on someone else?
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    Re: The falsification of history: 'Ukraine' is not a country

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    I suggest you read some history of the region, you ignorance is very evident. You should be ashamed.
    You should be forewarned. Westphalian is Russian and a staunch Putin regime loyalist. They feel unencumbered by History.


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    Re: The falsification of history: 'Ukraine' is not a country

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    I suggest you read some history of the region, you ignorance is very evident. You should be ashamed.

    Ukraine was a sovereign state when the Huns of Mongolia came across the Steppes, Ukrain, Kiev actually, was where they were stopped with the aid of King Sobiesky of Poland, who invented modern cavalry as it is used today with tanks.

    Over time, due to the stresses Asians occupying the country, Ukraine broke down to several sates, Poland absorbing the west, and the east becoming mini-states until the rise of the people we now call Russian.
    Not to make meal of it, but the Huns and the Mongols were two separate issues.

    The Mongols took Kiev, slaughtered most of the inhabitants and practically razed the whole city. With that out of the way they were free to advance into Poland and Hungary where they acted similarly. No Western force stopped them, what did was the death of their great Khan Ogodei in far away Karakorum and the necessity of electing a new one. Or so popular narrative would have it.

    Jan III Sobiesci of Poland didn't appear on the scene until 4 centuries later and not to help Kiev but to help defeat the Ottoman Turks at Vienna.
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    Re: The falsification of history: 'Ukraine' is not a country

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
    If Ukraine is not a state, then neither is the Russian Federation. Both new states were created at the dissolution of the USSR with the signing of the Belavezha Accords (Creation Agreement) in 1991.



    The Belavezha Accords signing ceremony at Viskuly Government House in the Belarusian Belovezhskaya Pushcha National Park, 8 December 1991.

    Signatories from left to right:

    Ukraine: First Deputy Prime Minister of Ukraine Vitold Fokin and first Ukraine President Leonard Kravchuk

    Belarus: First Head of State of independent Belarus Stanislav Shushkevich and first Prime Minister of Belarus Vyacheslav Kebich

    Russian Federation: First President of the Russian Federation Boris Yeltsin and the first Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation Gennady Burbulis


    Another document signed regarding the newly independent former USSR states:

    Alma-Ata Protocol 1991
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    Re: The falsification of history: 'Ukraine' is not a country

    All countries comes from somewhere. Where a countries exists and dies, new countries arise. This has been the pattern of history.
    “There are no self-proclaimed villains, only regiments of self-proclaimed saints. Victorious historians rule where good or evil lies.” ― Glen Cook, Chronicles of the Black Company

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    Re: The falsification of history: 'Ukraine' is not a country

    Quote Originally Posted by Westphalian View Post



    Russia doesn't want to, and won't, invade Ukraine ...... it's a failing state and another economic drain which the West won't save.


    My personal view is that Ukraine will correct the excesses of its current regime madness in making Russia an enemy.
    Westphalian:

    Regarding the bolded statement. Russia has already invaded Ukraine and continues to participate in and support the territorial dismemberment of Ukraine. The events of 2014 until today make your statement demonstrably false. As to Ukraine being an enemy of Russia, that was because Russia invaded Ukraine, not the other way around. Ukrainians kicked out a Ukrainian government during the Maiden Revolution that both the West and Russia were using as a proxy struggle for greater influence in Eastern Europe. Kicking out a pro-Russian governments not your own country is not a casus belli, is it? Ukraine did not make itself a Russian enemy. Russia invaded Ukraine.

    Cheers.
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