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London children fainting in class because parents too poor to feed them

Here is a summary on the UN's report on the grinding poverty affecting so many in the UK.


I'm sorry that I didn't post this sooner, and even more sorry that it's taken me to post it whilst others either ignored it or were too engrossed in their hatred of Russia to face up to the problems in their own back-yard. Frankly, the more i look into it, the more shocked I am.

Thank you to the likes of Oneworld, PeteEU and Peter King for not de-railing the topic with lamentable whataboutism :)


https://www.theguardian.com/society...envoy-philip-alston-report-poverty-britain-uk


The UK government is in a state of denial about the impact of austerity policies on the poor, UN rapporteur Philip Alston’s hard-hitting report on poverty, concluded. Here are some of the main points.

Austerity
Alston was critical of the “mentality” behind cuts and reforms introduced in the past few years that have brought misery and torn at the social fabric. “British compassion for those who are suffering has been replaced by a punitive, mean-spirited and callous approach …”

Universal credit
The government’s ambitious programme to simplify the benefits system was a good idea in principle but was “fast falling into universal discredit” and should be overhauled. It was gratuitously punitive in its effects. Draconian sanctions and long payment delays drove claimants into hardship, depression and despair.

Brexit
The most vulnerable and disadvantaged members of society will take the biggest hit from Brexit, Alston said. People felt their homes, jobs and communities were at risk. “Ironically it was these very fears and insecurity that contributed significantly to the Brexit vote.”

Who suffers?
“Changes to taxes and benefits have taken the highest toll on those least able to bear it,” said Alston, with the costs of austerity falling disproportionately on the poor, women, ethnic minorities, children, single parents, asylum seekers and people with disabilities.

Holes in the social safety net
Massive cuts to council funding, alongside big rises in demand for social care, had reduced many local authorities to providing basic services only, and had heralded the closure of libraries, parks and youth clubs. This was “damaging the fabric” of British society and eroding its sense of community.

Poverty
Alston said the UK government had told him the social support system was working and there was no extreme poverty in the UK. But the individual testimonies he received during his visit told a different story. “There is a striking and almost complete disconnect between what I heard from the government and what I consistently heard from many people directly, across the country.”

A digital welfare state


The government’s embrace of digital technology and automation was especially visible in universal credit, where the digital-by-default approach excluded people with no internet access or skills. “We are witnessing the gradual disappearance of the postwar British welfare state behind a webpage and an algorithm,” Alston said.
 
Slowly some of you are getting there, and Oneworkd is there already!

Child poverty is a global problem, not a specifically Russian one. Hence RV's thread was disingenuous, like so many.

I was amused to see people jumping on the 2012 story without bothering to question whether this was still a problem in 2019.

The UK has huge problems with not just child poverty but adult poverty, widespread use of food banks, mass inequality and huge social division. It's a disgraceful advert for globalisation.

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As you are interested in worldwide figures, do you have a similar image you can post for a 20 year period in Russia for absolute poverty please? Just to help the discussion.

I'm using absolutely poverty here - inability to feed yourself / family. Relative poverty may include things like inability to pay for wifi or other things but is about being 60% below the median and that means there will always be poverty.
 
Here is a summary on the UN's report on the grinding poverty affecting so many in the UK.


I'm sorry that I didn't post this sooner, and even more sorry that it's taken me to post it whilst others either ignored it or were too engrossed in their hatred of Russia to face up to the problems in their own back-yard. Frankly, the more i look into it, the more shocked I am.

Thank you to the likes of Oneworld, PeteEU and Peter King for not de-railing the topic with lamentable whataboutism :)


https://www.theguardian.com/society...envoy-philip-alston-report-poverty-britain-uk


The UK government is in a state of denial about the impact of austerity policies on the poor, UN rapporteur Philip Alston’s hard-hitting report on poverty, concluded. Here are some of the main points.

Austerity
Alston was critical of the “mentality” behind cuts and reforms introduced in the past few years that have brought misery and torn at the social fabric. “British compassion for those who are suffering has been replaced by a punitive, mean-spirited and callous approach …”
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Let us be honest, the UK is in deep trouble. The Brexit is a disaster. The not knowing for the business industry is killing the UK attractiveness for foreign companies and even UK companies.

The Netherlands Foreign Investment Agency is in talks with 250 companies from the UK about moving their companies to the Netherlands.
 
TBH I find this whole West v Russia jingoism/brinksmanship tedious , extremely dangerous and ultimately sure to be aiding the diverting of money away from populations further and into the ever expanding pockets of those in the arms trade . Imo , those involved in wanting to see a conflict or are happy to wish to escalate tensions really don't care about the plight of the poorest sectors of their societies and could be guilty of actually exploiting the sufferings of these people to create a situation that is even worse for them

I agree to an extent. However I do think western media is more honest about the problems we face whereas much Russian propaganda tries to paint a picture of this wonderful society in Russia under Putin. If you're old, female, poor or gay, it's not that wonderful.
 
I agree to an extent. However I do think western media is more honest about the problems we face whereas much Russian propaganda tries to paint a picture of this wonderful society in Russia under Putin. If you're old, female, poor or gay, it's not that wonderful.


Do you read a lot of Russian media?


I don't mean the English language versions aimed at foreign audiences.
 
Let us be honest, the UK is in deep trouble. The Brexit is a disaster. The not knowing for the business industry is killing the UK attractiveness for foreign companies and even UK companies.

The Netherlands Foreign Investment Agency is in talks with 250 companies from the UK about moving their companies to the Netherlands.


I agree with that the UK is in deep trouble, but it isn't because of Brexit. That's a political shambles but the consequences long term may be beneficial, and the short term effects are unlikely to be anywhere near as bad as all the scare stories from remainers suggest.

The Uk's poverty problems stem from its 'pro business' model, its tax system, the negative impact of its old class system on social mobility, the power of the 'old school tie' and patronage, and its unwillingness to invest in public services.

The UK is a European super cheer-leader of US capitalism. Actually, I suspect that the EU will be glad to get rid of the UK which for 40 years has generally acted to stop or delay EU initiatives.
 
I agree with that the UK is in deep trouble, but it isn't because of Brexit. That's a political shambles but the consequences long term may be beneficial, and the short term effects are unlikely to be anywhere near as bad as all the scare stories from remainers suggest.

The Uk's poverty problems stem from its 'pro business' model, its tax system, the negative impact of its old class system on social mobility, the power of the 'old school tie' and patronage, and its unwillingness to invest in public services.

The UK is a European super cheer-leader of US capitalism. Actually, I suspect that the EU will be glad to get rid of the UK which for 40 years has generally acted to stop or delay EU initiatives.

https://www.rferl.org/a/study-22-pe...overty-36-percent-in-risk-zone-/29613059.html
 
~...........................Thank you to the likes of Oneworld, PeteEU and Peter King for not de-railing the topic with lamentable whataboutism :)................~
:roll:

Sees a thread addressing conditions in his own country, makes two completely irrelevant posts in that one, then retaliates with his own "tu quoque" thread here on the UK, and now laments the supposed whataboutism that he himself is most guilty of (and not just here, either).

Projection at its peak.

Rich!
 
I agree with that the UK is in deep trouble, but it isn't because of Brexit. That's a political shambles but the consequences long term may be beneficial, and the short term effects are unlikely to be anywhere near as bad as all the scare stories from remainers suggest.

The Uk's poverty problems stem from its 'pro business' model, its tax system, the negative impact of its old class system on social mobility, the power of the 'old school tie' and patronage, and its unwillingness to invest in public services.

The UK is a European super cheer-leader of US capitalism. Actually, I suspect that the EU will be glad to get rid of the UK which for 40 years has generally acted to stop or delay EU initiatives.
Show:

1. where long term effects of Brexit may be beneficial

2. short term effects are unlikely to be anywhere near as bad.....................

3. the EU will be glad to get rid of the UK
 
Do you read a lot of Russian media?


I don't mean the English language versions aimed at foreign audiences.
You mean liars like RT and TASS etc.?

Having to somewhat temper their lies with obfuscations, distortions, fake news etc., so that Western consumers don't bin them on the spot?

Right?
 
Do you read a lot of Russian media?


I don't mean the English language versions aimed at foreign audiences.

See the excellent response from Chagos - I echo his sentiments.


I do know much opposition Russian media is hassled. And that gay people in Russia can't produce the most banal information sheet without falling foul of the discriminatory and hateful gay propaganda law.
 
Do you think poverty in Russia somehow negates UK poverty?


If you want to talk about Russia, why don't you go to the numerous Russia bashing threads.
because this is a thread most suited to show that you don't have a monopoly on whataboutism.

Anyway, what's your gripe? You want to talk about Russia even less.
 
I agree to an extent. However I do think western media is more honest about the problems we face whereas much Russian propaganda tries to paint a picture of this wonderful society in Russia under Putin. If you're old, female, poor or gay, it's not that wonderful.

I think the opposite is true when it comes to the media of authoritarian states and those of the , let's say for arguments sake , more free/liberal states . People do enjoy more freedoms generally in the likes of France and Germany than they do in Russia or Saudi Arabia for example. And as a side comment I would just like to add that the states that make up " the West " have a tolerance/support for authoritarianism elsewhere if it is in their interests. There's a glaring hypocrisy imo here that seems to go little noticed/commented on in our, allegedly " free press " societies.

For example . the populations of the more authoritarian states will take into account the fact that their media is highly state controlled/influenced and allow for that , whereas the populations in the " free press " societies will be much less critical precisely because they think their media is free and does not reflect the opinions of the ruling elite there. On that they are wrong imo

Obviously the people that live in the more authoritarian places enjoy fewer rights and as such present less of a danger to the ruling elites. Hence what they believe is less relevant/important than it is in the more free society precisely because there are mechanisms in place , at least in theory , for the challenge to elite rule.

In short what I am trying to say is that manufacturing consent for state actions and policies is less of a challenge for the elites that rule by authoritarian means than it is for those that choose to rule with the gloss of freedom/public participation. That reflects itself in the media coverage imo with the perception management being actually more important in the freer societies
 
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