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slick said:
Russia always the protector of the slavs moved in and the rest is history.
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A lie. Czarist/Soviet Russia enslaved the SSRs and Warsaw Pact nations. That is why the Berlin Wall was torn down and why so many freed nations joined NATO after 1991.

And the $5 billion you keep claiming Victoria Nuland brought to Kyiv in what ..... a Gucci suitcase?

The US $5 billion is aid the US provided to Ukraine from 1991-2014. Russia also received US aid from 1991-2008.

Was that also a conspiracy?
 
Rogue Valley said:
A lie. Czarist/Soviet Russia enslaved the SSRs and Warsaw Pact nations. That is why the Berlin Wall was torn down and why so many freed nations joined NATO after 1991.

And the $5 billion you keep claiming Victoria Nuland brought to Kyiv in what ..... a Gucci suitcase?

The US $5 billion is aid the US provided to Ukraine from 1991-2014. Russia also received US aid from 1991-2008.

Was that also a conspiracy?
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Not you again! good grief, hang in there.
 
slick said:
Nuland would have been even more of a failed diplomat if she ever suggested the $5 Billion was to "destabilize" the Ukraine?
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Sure looks to me like you're suggesting that Nuland lugged $5 billion to Ukraine to de-stabilize the country.

And it is simply ... Ukraine. Not the Ukraine. At least try to know the topic material beyond what you read at Breitbart News.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Sure looks to me like you're suggesting that Nuland lugged $5 billion to Ukraine to de-stabilize the country.

And it is simply ... Ukraine. Not the Ukraine. At least try to know the topic material beyond what you read at Breitbart News.
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Look what Nuland said exactly. Everything she bragged about what the US accomplished with the 5 billion failed completely that is:
1)development of democratic institutions and 2)skills in promoting civil society and a 3)good form of government - 4)all that is necessary to
achieve the objectives of Ukraine’ the only thing Nuland was able to do successfully was 'others' & that was to destabilize Ukraine.
So in effect though Nuland came on late to the scene when after a portion of the 5 billion had been spent, the only achievement
of the money spent was the destabilization of Ukraine which ended in the Maidan & shortky afterward the disastrous coup.

Get this straight I have no dog in this fight but the truth. Maybe you & others are of Ukraine heritage & have a dog in the fight.
If so try seeing thing the way this all played out. I've never been to Russia or Ukraine & never intend to I'm all Anglo 4th generation
with a hint of German.
 
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slick said:
Look what Nuland said exactly. Everything she bragged about what the US accomplished with the 5 billion failed completely that is:
1)development of democratic institutions and 2)skills in promoting civil society and a 3)good form of government - 4)all that is necessary to
achieve the objectives of Ukraine’ the only thing Nuland was able to do successfully was 'others' & that was to destabilize Ukraine.
So in effect though Nuland came on late to the scene when after a portion of the 5 billion had been spent, the only achievement
of the money spent was the destabilization of Ukraine which ended in the Maidan & shortky afterward the disastrous coup.

Get this straight I have no dog in this fight but the truth. Maybe you & others are of Ukraine heritage & have a dog in the fight.
If so try seeing thing the way this all played out. I've never been to Russia or Ukraine & never intend to I'm all Anglo 4th generation
with a hint of German.
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You lied about Nuland's statement.

Pure and simple.

Just as you lie about the money itself.

How can money invested in infrastructure long before any unrest contribute to the unrest. You yourself admit most of the money was spent long before Nuland appeared on the scene...

You are not only failing to make sense. Much of what you say contradicts itself.
 
Fledermaus said:
You lied about Nuland statement.

Pure and simple.

Just as you lie about the money itself.

How can money invested in infrastructure long before any unrest contribute to the unrest. You yourself admit most of the money was spent long before Nuland appeared on the scene...
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No lies at all. Good grief, thanx for offering the wealth of what you believe you know. If there are any lies in #62 please eloquently elaborate,
feel free. As if it matters.
 
slick said:
No lies at all. Good grief, thanx for offering the wealth of what you believe you know. If there are any lies in #62 please eloquently elaborate,
feel free. As if it matters.
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Yes, you did lie.

I have repeated and bolded the lie a number of times.

Post #59 for example.
 
Fledermaus said:
Yes, you did lie.

I have repeated and bolded the lie a number of times.

Post #59 for example.
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So in effect though Nuland came on late to the scene when after a portion of the 5 billion had been spent, the only achievement
of the money spent was the destabilization of Ukraine which ended in the Maidan & shortky afterward the disastrous coup.'

There you go, for the sluggish of mind that's my final take on this subject.

Now,don't you think there are other topics on this forum you ought to engage in than rehashing this topic ato the point of illness!
 
slick said:
So in effect though Nuland came on late to the scene when after a portion of the 5 billion had been spent, the only achievement
of the money spent was the destabilization of Ukraine which ended in the Maidan & shortky afterward the disastrous coup.'

There you go, for the sluggish of mind that's my final take on this subject.

Now,don't you think there are other topics on this forum you ought to engage in than rehashing this topic ato the point of illness!
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Still waiting for the place in the transcript she stated what you claim she stated...
 
slick said:
So in effect though Nuland came on late to the scene when after a portion of the 5 billion had been spent...
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What part of this don't you understand??? Nuland didn't give anyone $5 billion dollars. That was $5 billion dollars in US aid from 1991-2014. Spread out over 23 years.

Most of those 1991-2014 Ukrainian presidents were pro-Russian. The US also gave Russia foreign aid from 1991-2008.

I was in Kyiv during parts of Maidan. If the US funded this revolution, it was the most poorly funded revolution ever.

They used garbage can lids for shields and hockey helmets for Christs sake. Geezus.
 
Rogue Valley said:
What part of this don't you understand??? Nuland didn't give anyone $5 billion dollars. That was $5 billion dollars in US aid from 1991-2014. Spread out over 23 years.

Most of those 1991-2014 Ukrainian presidents were pro-Russian. The US also gave Russia foreign aid from 1991-2008.

I was in Kyiv during parts of Maidan. If the US funded this revolution, it was the most poorly funded revolution ever.

They used garbage can lids for shields and hockey helmets for Christs sake. Geezus.
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I figured you we united with Ukraine in some form or another, that's explains the passion you have shown!
Review my post #62
 
slick said:
I figured you we united with Ukraine in some form or another, that's explains the passion you have shown!
Review my post #62
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I'm not an ethnic Ukrainian. I lived there for five years managing a business field office.

I just have a problem with Americans, who probably couldn't find the Ukraine on a map, pretending to know anything about the country and its politics.
 
slick said:
I figured you we united with Ukraine in some form or another, that's explains the passion you have shown!
Review my post #62
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Post #62

Fledermaus said:
You lied about Nuland's statement.

Pure and simple.

Just as you lie about the money itself.

How can money invested in infrastructure long before any unrest contribute to the unrest. You yourself admit most of the money was spent long before Nuland appeared on the scene...

You are not only failing to make sense. Much of what you say contradicts itself.
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Rogue Valley said:
I'm not an ethnic Ukrainian. I lived there for five years managing a business field office.

I just have a problem with Americans, who probably couldn't find the Ukraine on a map, pretending to know anything about the country and its politics.
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Coming from someone who actually posted that the US actually controlled 50% of Syria at news of the pullout & dug deeper by
noting that ISIS still had ten times the amount of fighters than they actually had there, I consider your post complementary.

BTW, I didn't suggest that you were an Ukrainian ethnic read more accurately, I stated I figured you were
united with Ukraine in some form or another, so I was right again
 
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slick said:
Coming from someone who actually posted that the US actually controlled 50% of Syria at news of the pullout & dug deeper by
noting that ISIS still had ten times the amount of fighters than they actually had there, I consider your post complementary.
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You have a habit of saying things without links. A true Trumper.

slick said:
BTW, I didn't suggest that you were an Ukrainian ethnic read more accurately, I stated I figured you were
united with Ukraine in some form or another, so I was right again
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And when I worked in New York I was united with New York?

Dumb beyond measure.
 
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