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Voting underway in no-confidence motion

Infinite Chaos said:
You should have heard the "we're ruled from Brussels" quotes and similar from the people who have no export market to consider in their assessment of the benefits of Brexit.



This is my feeling too. If May wins, she still has to get this through Parliament which is no mean feat.



Sadly true.
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So it boils down to a few options Parliament, Far to many against.
EU will not add any more to gain a deal

If May pushes the Vote as a confidence vote, Govt falls. Doubt she would do that.
May asks for an extension from the EU?
Then parliament pushes and passes a new Bill for a 2nd referendum.
And that saves their elected asses.
From the little I know, the UK is better off in the EU than on the outside of their natural trading partners.
Add in the Pro Brexiteers lied their assess off as to the economic boon they would reap
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Oh, you should have heard Mogg talking immediately to BBC news 24...
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I did (BBC24 and Sky International are the only Brit stations satellite bungs down here) and I couldn't make up my mind between laughing my head off and throwing a shoe at the screen.

Calls remainers sore losers and lacks self-awarenes so totally as not to see what he is.
Apparently she promised to stand down anyway after March 29th and not lead the party in the next election.
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Even if I heard her saying it, I'd believe her as much as I'd believe anybody else.
Corbyn won't want to be in power before March 29th and he was not the most proactive remain supporter - much like Theresa May when Cameron asked her for support.
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He's just an opportunistic crook who doesn't give a damn about Brexit. He'll hang his coat into what he'll deem to be the most promising wind, provided his demonstrable cowardice doesn't prevent him from doing anything at all.
 
Rogue Valley said:
I didn't think May would lose the vote today. She remains, and so does the Brexit mess.
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Didn't think so either and never thought whatever outcome would make any difference. The mess would be remaining even if she'd lost.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Oy vey. The communist and antisemitic Jeremy Corbyn would be terrible for the UK.
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You're standing too close to the orifice from which you get your information. Don't forget to wipe. Or provide links that Corbyn is registered communist and actual statements by Corbyn that substantiate that he is anti semitic./
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DaveFagan said:
You're standing too close to the orifice from which you get your information. Don't forget to wipe. Or provide links that Corbyn is registered communist and actual statements by Corbyn that substantiate that he is anti semitic./
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Awful demanding for someone that rarely back up their own words.
 
May will almost certainly resign immediately after she fails to get her revised deal though the House.

The Tories will elect a proper Leaver as leader and, with March 29 approaching, the EU will magically give a new PM better concessions than May got.

Why? Because E39bn is a lot of money and it isn't going to be stumped up by Germany or anyone else.
 
What will eventually happen is the United Kingdom will split up. Great Britain will leave the EU but Wales, Scotland and Ireland will remain.

And when the far right Brexit supporters find out that they won't be able to get cheap medicine from the EU countries or travel around Europe without having to get visas - they'll be whining and whining.

Can't wait to see all the retired Brits being ordered to leave Spain. They'll be really really p**** off.
 
Westphalian said:
May will almost certainly resign immediately after she fails to get her revised deal though the House.

The Tories will elect a proper Leaver as leader and, with March 29 approaching, the EU will magically give a new PM better concessions than May got.

Why? Because E39bn is a lot of money and it isn't going to be stumped up by Germany or anyone else.
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Dream factory open again, huh?
 
JoanDavis said:
What will eventually happen is the United Kingdom will split up. Great Britain will leave the EU but Wales, Scotland and Ireland will remain.

And when the far right Brexit supporters find out that they won't be able to get cheap medicine from the EU countries or travel around Europe without having to get visas - they'll be whining and whining.

Can't wait to see all the retired Brits being ordered to leave Spain. They'll be really really p**** off.
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Wales voted to leave. Also, **** the EU, and all those who support it.
 
Chagos said:
Dream factory open again, huh?
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We'll see.

Those who still entertain 'people's vote' or no Brexit are serial dreamers.

I think that this deal will eventually be amended in some form, whether through legally binding side letters or something else, and it will pass the House with the support of some Labour MPs.
 
Westphalian said:
We'll see.

Those who still entertain 'people's vote' or no Brexit are serial dreamers.

I think that this deal will eventually be amended in some form, whether through legally binding side letters or something else, and it will pass the House with the support of some Labour MPs.
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So you reckon that the EU (and more so its Heads of Government) are going to keep whittling documents all the time and every time, all depending on which leader the UK is capable of presenting in depiction of whatever whim governs today and then tomorrow and then again next week?

It does not occur to you that "the European side" may eventually come to the conclusion of "what's there to negotiate, when we never know who we're negotiating with?"

Leading to the take that an end with horror will be preferable to a horror without end.
 
When Westphalian (the Salisbury apologist Russian) champions Brexit, that is a huge clue that Brexit is inimical to the best interests of the UK.
 
Fledermaus said:
Awful demanding for someone that rarely back up their own words.
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Rather than call him an outright liar, I opted to allow him to weasel out with spurious, unsubstantiated links, bullcrap, ballyhoo, and the usual, much like yourself.
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Westphalian said:
~ The Tories will elect a proper Leaver as leader ~
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What a silly idea. The hard Brexiteers haven't had the guts to stand up for leadership and last night's vote shows they are only a 3rd of the party. Conservative history also shows that the one who stands up to topple a leader never wins power. You also forget that Labour are waiting for the perfect moment to bring the Conservatives down and they will wait till the decision and consequences are done.


JoanDavis said:
What will eventually happen is the United Kingdom will split up. Great Britain will leave the EU but Wales, Scotland and Ireland will remain ~
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Wales not yet, they voted to leave. Scotland and Northern Ireland will rejoin the EU rather than remain - under the rules, they have to leave and then apply to rejoin if they become independent. Northern Ireland will only rejoin when a Catholic majority resides there - the Leave vote was by mainly Protestant supporters.

85% of Catholics voted Remain compared to only 40% of Protestants, and 88% of people who describe themselves as ‘nationalist’ voted Remain compared to only 34% of ‘unionists’. Similarly, 87% of respondents who identify as Irish voted Remain, compared to only 37% of British identifiers.
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Why is Jeremy Corbyn not trying to topple Theresa May right now?

With Theresa May on the ropes, Jeremy Corbyn is coming under pressure from other opposition parties - and some of his own MPs - to finish her off with the knockout blow of a no-confidence vote in the House of Commons.
Unlike the vote she has just survived this would give all 650 MPs - not just 317 Conservatives - a say over whether she should remain in power.
A no-confidence vote - won by a single vote - was how Margaret Thatcher removed Labour from power in 1979, triggering a general election that she won. Link.
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Corbyn is NOT going to go for a no-confidence motion because the blame for the current mess would shift completely to Labour. Some of those who stood for Remain also suspect the truth is still that Corbyn is not that interested in a Remain campaign - having been less than lukewarm on the campaign. I still think he'd be happy with a hard Brexit and no-deal.

Funny how no deal is supported by the two extremes on the two major parties.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Corbyn is NOT going to go for a no-confidence motion because the blame for the current mess would shift completely to Labour. Some of those who stood for Remain also suspect the truth is still that Corbyn is not that interested in a Remain campaign - having been less than lukewarm on the campaign. I still think he'd be happy with a hard Brexit and no-deal.

Funny how no deal is supported by the two extremes on the two major parties.
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Corbyn is a coward who will not take any position unless he is offered full protection in a Crown's witness programme. And even then he'll probably prevaricate.
 
Fledermaus said:
TRANSLATION: Awful demanding for someone who usually doesn't back up their own words.
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"[COLOR="#FF0000"]Rather than call him an outright liar, I opted to allow him to weasel out with spurious, unsubstantiated links, bullcrap, ballyhoo, and the usual, much like yourself.[/COLOR]

No translation required. Very clearly articulated. Enjoy your fantasies, but please wipe.
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DaveFagan said:
"[COLOR="#FF0000"]Rather than call him an outright liar, I opted to allow him to weasel out with spurious, unsubstantiated links, bullcrap, ballyhoo, and the usual, much like yourself.[/COLOR]

No translation required. Very clearly articulated. Enjoy your fantasies, but please wipe.
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Is the reason you don't support your statements that all you have are Infowars and/or RT?
 
Westphalian said:
We'll see.

Those who still entertain 'people's vote' or no Brexit are serial dreamers.

I think that this deal will eventually be amended in some form, whether through legally binding side letters or something else, and it will pass the House with the support of some Labour MPs.
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You defend Brexit, while shilling for the Kremlin, and somehow fail to realize how stupid holding those two positions simultaneously really is.
Considering the fact that EU's relations with Russia are FAR better than the UK's...

...I'm seriously starting to doubt you're truly from Russia at this point.
 
Chagos said:
Corbyn is a coward who will not take any position unless he is offered full protection in a Crown's witness programme. And even then he'll probably prevaricate.
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Angry much? ;)

I'm no supporter or admirer of Corbyn but putting myself in the position of leader of the opposition - I'd think twice before putting myself in the position to sort out the most almighty mess created by a combination of political fools and Joe Public ever - whatever position the country finds itself in afterwards, it's in Labour's interest to be seen as the party that began the clear-up and not the party that swapped position into the spotlight at the very worst moment when the most s**t hits the fan.

Will Rea had it right 2 years ago on this forum when he predicted the very same thing - Labour won't really seek for power, better to let the Tories tear themselves apart (which we have) and make an almighty mess (which we have). I think at the next election I won't vote; nobody deserves my effort going to the ballot box and I think all this pain for a Norway + agreement is the most stupid solution ever. We already had the rebate, opt-outs and vetoes as well as ways to minimise free movement but it's going to be squandered.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Angry much? ;)
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Livid :lol:

I'm no supporter or admirer of Corbyn but putting myself in the position of leader of the opposition - I'd think twice before putting myself in the position to sort out the most almighty mess created by a combination of political fools and Joe Public ever - whatever position the country finds itself in afterwards, it's in Labour's interest to be seen as the party that began the clear-up and not the party that swapped position into the spotlight at the very worst moment when the most s**t hits the fan.

Will Rea had it right 2 years ago on this forum when he predicted the very same thing - Labour won't really seek for power, better to let the Tories tear themselves apart (which we have) and make an almighty mess (which we have).
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Oh, I understand the tactic all right. Doesn't mean he shouldn't be hanged...........erhh...........excuse me....................flogged.;)

I think at the next election I won't vote; nobody deserves my effort going to the ballot box and I think all this pain for a Norway + agreement is the most stupid solution ever. We already had the rebate, opt-outs and vetoes as well as ways to minimise free movement but it's going to be squandered.
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Agreed, totally.

If I were ever to succumb to demands that I declare my political lean, it would be "disgusted and out".

Frankly I don't see this bunch of nincompoops (of any camp) even get a Norway+ deal. Next person or party to get my vote will be nobody and none.
 
Fee for travelling to the EU after Brexit revealed

Millions of Britons travelling to the EU will have to pay €7 (£6.29) for visa-free travel from 2021, Sky News has learned. The post-Brexit move was confirmed by the European Commission in response to a question to its President Jean Claude-Juncker. Alongside the fee, UK citizens will need to pre-register for the three-year electronic visa waiver. The small print of the detailed draft regulation covering visa exemptions for UK citizens travelling to the bloc says that "the European Travel Information and Authorisation System (ETIAS) will apply to United Kingdom nationals once union law on free movement of union citizens ceases to apply to them, as to other visa-free third country nationals". The EU has already begun to implement the system which preauthorises the entry of citizens from a special list of countries, who do not require full visas. "Once ETIAS enters into operation, all visa-exempt non-EU nationals who plan to travel to the Schengen area will have to apply via ETIAS," a European Commission source told Sky News. There had been some hopes privately in government and publicly from Conservative Brexit supporting MPs that the UK could negotiate an exemption from the new US-style preregistration and payment requirement. The change would not have applied if the UK had remained in the EU, and also might be put off if the transition period is extended and EU laws on freedom of movement continue to apply to the UK.
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I'm not clear on this. Would it be €7 per border crossing, or €7 for 3 years worth of border crossings provided one has obtained the EU electronic visa waiver?
 
Rogue Valley said:
Fee for travelling to the EU after Brexit revealed



I'm not clear on this. Would it be €7 per border crossing, or €7 for 3 years worth of border crossings provided one has obtained the EU electronic visa waiver?
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The latter.

But for visits only up to 90 days, number of visits however (to the best of my knowledge) not limited.

Good for the travel agents, they can sell a return ticket every 3 months.:lol:
 
Rogue Valley said:
Fee for travelling to the EU after Brexit revealed



I'm not clear on this. Would it be €7 per border crossing, or €7 for 3 years worth of border crossings provided one has obtained the EU electronic visa waiver?
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It would be €7 for 3 years - it's simple really, the Brexit vote was to stop freedom of movement so it's now no longer free.

Funny reading the hard Brexiteers going livid over this on the BBC website. Stupid is, as stupid does.
 
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