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Macron wants European Army to protect against 'China, Russia, and even the USA'

Godric1970 said:
it would be a price worth paying to rid the world of America
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Crikey Godric. Do you really hate America so much that you want to see 360 million souls living there incinerated by a nuclear first strike? If so and if your statement was not said in frustration or pique, then that is truly worrying. Continental extinction as a response to bad policy by a government is quite frankly an insane remedy for what you perceive to be the wrongs of America. Chill out sir and perhaps re-examine and shelve your genocidal fantasies for a more constructive approach.

Cheers?
Evilroddy.
 
Godric1970 said:
i am 100% Scottish and i was born in Scotland in 1970 ... we don't fear death ... any invader that sets foot on Scottish soil will not get home alive .... many have tried all have failed to conquer Scotland we fear no c**ts ... if America says that EU are it's foes .... stop mouthing and bring it on !!
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Godric:

Tangent Alert!

Yes, all have failed except the Romans, the Irish Scoti and the Dal Riada, the Vikings, the Normans (remember Robert du Brus et al.) and the English repeatedly from Edward I through Cromwell to 1707 and 1745-6 under the Stuarts. Scotland has been conquered many times even if a few cotter farmers in Fife or Skye never got the memos. Reality check needed. Oh, and I'm Scottish-Canadian from Inverness so don't try to play the "you're not Scottish card" in any rebuttal.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Evilroddy said:
Crikey Godric. Do you really hate America so much that you want to see 360 million souls living there incinerated by a nuclear first strike? If so and if your statement was not said in frustration or pique, then that is truly worrying. Continental extinction as a response to bad policy by a government is quite frankly an insane remedy for what you perceive to be the wrongs of America. Chill out sir and perhaps re-examine and shelve your genocidal fantasies for a more constructive approach.

Cheers?
Evilroddy.
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Sadly, that's exactly what he said he'd prefer although he did backpedal a bit and threw in some caveats:
Godric1970 said:
i am 100% Scottish and i was born in Scotland in 1970 ... we don't fear death ... any invader that sets foot on Scottish soil will not get home alive .... many have tried all have failed to conquer Scotland we fear no c**ts ... if America says that EU are it's foes .... stop mouthing and bring it on !!
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Evilroddy said:
Godric:

Tangent Alert!

Yes, all have failed except the Romans, the Irish Scoti and the Dal Riada, the Vikings, the Normans (remember Robert du Brus et al.) and the English repeatedly from Edward I through Cromwell to 1707 and 1745-6 under the Stuarts. Scotland has been conquered many times even if a few cotter farmers in Fife or Skye never got the memos. Reality check needed. Oh, and I'm Scottish-Canadian from Inverness so don't try to play the "you're not Scottish card" in any rebuttal.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
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the Romans tried and failed hence they built not 1 but two walls, as for Dal Riata .. Dal Riata and the picts merged to found the Kingdom of Alba (Scotland) the Normans conquered England and not Scotland ... Normans were allowed land in Southern Scotland after Alexander the 3rd married a English princess .. the English tried on several attempts and were driven out ... 1707 was the act of Union and Cromwell only won because the Church of Scotland intervened because Montrose held the high ground and he was ordered by the kirk to cede the high ground ... the kirk in those days had more power over Scotland than kings
 
Chagos said:
This is what the BBC quotes This is what you claim the BBC as having said neatly leaving out the qualifier (bolded by me).

That makes both your chosen title and your opening post a lie.

With the rest of your post...............................aw well, you already know that.
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I quoted exactly what the BBC quoted Macron as having said, as you finally acknowledge.


How that's a lie is beyond me. But then you have a very low bar for using that word in relation to things which don't suit your narrative, whilst studiously ignoring all the gross manipulation of thread titles and quotes committed by RV, Litwin et al.

Funny how that works Chagos :roll:
 
Here's another account of Macron's comment, from the liberal UK Independent news media website, strangely enough quoting what Macron said, exactly in the words I quoted :roll:


No mention of cyber security at all.

Again it seems, the cry babies' issue (and some of you on here have been shamelessly hysterical) should be with the media, not with me for quoting the media.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ilitary-us-russia-china-defence-a8627176.html


Earlier this week Mr Macron called for the creation of a “true European army” to allow the EU to defend itself from threats including Russian President Vladimir Putin and President Trump.

“We have to protect ourselves with respect to China, Russia and even the United States of America,” Mr Macron told France’s Europe 1 radio in an interview.
 
Let's try the New York Post - no mention of cyber security. The quote was, unsurprisingly, what Macron actually said :roll: :

https://nypost.com/2018/11/09/trump-rips-macron-for-proposing-new-eu-army-to-defend-against-us/


On Tuesday, the French president said Europe needed a real army to reduce reliance on the US for defense.

“We have to protect ourselves with respect to China, Russia and even the United States of America,” Macron said on French radio, according to The Wall Street Journal.
 
Finally, one of your favourite darling western propaganda websites, Radio Free Europe.


No mention of cyber security :roll::


Who is really lying here?


https://www.rferl.org/a/france-urges-european-army-to-defend-against-russia-u-s-/29586020.html


French President Emmanuel Macron is calling for a "real European army" to allow the European Union to defend itself against Russia and even the United States.

Macron, who has pushed for a joint EU military structure since taking over the French presidency, said in a radio interview on November 6 that Europe needed to be less dependent on America.

"We have to protect ourselves with respect to China, Russia, and even the United States," Macron told Europe 1.

"We will not protect Europeans unless we decide to have a true European army," he added.
 
Westphalian said:
I quoted exactly what the BBC quoted Macron as having said,
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You did not.
as you finally acknowledge.
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I did not.

And that leads back to the futility already raised, of you trying to wheedle out of your lies by enhancing them with even more lies with every squirm you make.

Geez man, people can read and it's all there to be read.

The rest of your post .......................................yeah, you've already been told.
 
Westphalian said:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ilitary-us-russia-china-defence-a8627176.html
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Westphalian said:
https://nypost.com/2018/11/09/trump-rips-macron-for-proposing-new-eu-army-to-defend-against-us/French radio, according to The Wall Street Journal.[/B]
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Westphalian said:
https://www.rferl.org/a/france-urges-european-army-to-defend-against-russia-u-s-/29586020.html
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In your OP you quoted none of those, you quoted the BBC

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46108633

as having said (quoted Macron as saying) "We have to protect ourselves with respect to China, Russia and even the United States of America,"when in reality it said "Speaking about cyber security, he also said: "We have to protect ourselves with respect to China, Russia and even the United States of America."

It is clear from the interview on Europe 1 that Macron was speaking in the context of cyber security and this the BBC reported correctly.

You on the other hand distorted what the BBC reports, as can be seen above.

That other outlets left out the qualifier is irrelevant here, seeing how you did not use them until now when you're trying to deny your dishonesty. You used BBC and lied about what it actually reported.
 
I quoted exactly, to the latter, what Macron said. I've demonstrated this through linking to numerous other western media outlets.


But apparently, all that matters is a few words added (only in the BBC report and not present in the other reports) written by some journo hack.


Well ..... a very interesting and hysterical attitude towards 'truth' and what you people call 'lies'.
 
Westphalian said:
I quoted exactly, to the latter, what Macron said. I've demonstrated this through linking to numerous other western media outlets.


But apparently, all that matters is a few words added (only in the BBC report and not present in the other reports) written by some journo hack.


Well ..... a very interesting and hysterical attitude towards 'truth' and what you people call 'lies'.
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In the OP you have misquoted the exact source that you cited there.

"We people" call that lying.
 
Chagos said:
In the OP you have misquoted the exact source that you cited there.

"We people" call that lying.
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There has been no mis-quoting.


All you have to say is that i didn't quote the whole article. That's common practice across all threads and you are being utterly disingenuous in your silly over-reaction to this.



I quoted exactly what Macron said, and i didn't quote the BBC journo hack.


Deal with it.
 
HK.227 said:
I was speaking in general terms. The EU leadership is not democratically elected,
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It is installed from democratic states and under control of democratic structures.

nor can they practically removed if corrupt, so naturally I am hesitant about just handing over to them military supremacy in Europe. That hesitancy is multiplied by the EU's attitude towards dissent and the fact that the Europe is more likely to experience internal unrest in the form of dissent than a military invasion anytime soon.
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Not understandable for me what you like to say here.

Countries are rarely reliable; most of the time they merely have converging interests.
That convergence may be somewhat lower at the moment in the case of the EU and the US, but that is hardly an excuse for providing the EU with an army, nuclear weapons, and the mandate to use them.
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Excuse?

Don't get me wrong. European cooperation more than just desirable, it is must-have. It's just that I don't think that the EU is ready for such a responsibility, and likely never will with it's current leadership model.
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You gave the childish president of the United Kindergarten of America the responsibilty for the nukes of the USA. This president destroys the free western world just for fun. I guess this has someghting to do with the typical politics of dynamite fishers, who kill a whole lake, if they like to eat a fish. "Produce chaos until no one hsd any overveiw any longer and take everything what oyu can get inthsi chaos" - seems to be his "plan" for the world politics. Form myp0int of virew Donald Trump is an anarchist and the USA starts to become a growing problem for the world. Your ambassador here in Germany for example supports even Nazis. Meanwhile the USA under Trump even grew to be a shame for the USA.

 
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Rising Sun said:
Remember when the Euros were all whining about US hegemony? Now that the US is moving back towards isolationism, the same Euros are now whining “Where’re you going?”
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What do you think did you do in Germany since World War 2? You took care that Germans are not able to be powerful. And you don't go in "isolationism". You are going into an ignorant, arrogant and aggressive assholeism. Now take your army and go! Now today immediatelly! And do me the favor never to come back to Europe! Good grief. How stupid are US-Americans? You spy in every administration and in every bank and company in Europe.

 
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CEngelbrecht said:
So it is with German and English.
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No. You don't understand German.

What's that got to do with it?
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The politicians of the Ukraine and Russia are able to solve their problems. The allies sold after world war 2 whole Eastern Europe to the Soviets. We can see in this act a tutelage of the winners of World War 2 and an incapacitation of the people of Eastern Europe. The problems around the Krim and different ethnic groups in different regions need a serios communication about serios problems. The best will be as many people as possible from the Ukraine try to speak with as many Russians as possible and I'm sure they all together will find good non-violent solutions. But one thing in this context is clear: it is very strange how the Krim came to the Ukraine, specially because indeed the population of the Krim was mostly Russian - also in times when it was part of the Soviet republic Ukraine and later.

 
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Lionman said:
The politicians of the Ukraine and Russia are able to solve their problems. The allies sold after world war 2 whole Eastern Europe to the Soviets. We can see in this act a tutelage of the winners of World War 2 and an incapacitation of the people of Eastern Europe. The problems around the Krim and different ethnic groups in different regions need a serios communication about serios problems. The best will be as many people as possible from the Ukraine try to speak with as many Russians as possible and I'm sure they all together will find good non-violent solutions. But one thing in this context is clear: it is very strange how the Krim came to the Ukraine, specially because indeed the population of the Krim was mostly Russian - also in times when it was part of the Soviet republic Ukraine and later.
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As I've shown you previously in another thread, the Russian SFSR transferred Crimea to the Ukraine SSR in 1954 (On Transfer of Crimean Region from the RSFSR to the Ukrainian SSR - USSR Supreme Soviet Presidium - February/April 1954). When the USSR broke up in 1991, Russian Federation President Boris Yeltsin signed documents (Belavezha Accords / Alma-Ata Protocol / Joint Russo-Ukrainian Black Sea Fleet Agreement) stating that the borders of the Russian Federation, Ukraine, and Belarus would remain as they are in 1991.

This is validated history. If this history doesn't suit your agenda, that's not history's fault.
 
Evilroddy said:
Crikey Godric. Do you really hate America so much that you want to see 360 million souls living there incinerated by a nuclear first strike? If so and if your statement was not said in frustration or pique, then that is truly worrying. Continental extinction as a response to bad policy by a government is quite frankly an insane remedy for what you perceive to be the wrongs of America. Chill out sir and perhaps re-examine and shelve your genocidal fantasies for a more constructive approach.

Cheers?
Evilroddy.
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what part do you have a problem with did or didn't Trump say the EU was America's Enemy/foe ... if he can't handle the EU reciprocating his stance he should either shut up or go for it
 
Chagos said:
You really don't mind how foolish you make yourself look, do you?

Now you're into the schoolyard antics of mirroring.:lol:
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Says you .... someone who has repeatedly accused me of 'lying' but been unable to provide any evidence beyond apparently my failure to quote the words of a BBC journo hack :roll:.


The truth is that if you're going to try to drag me down then you're going with me. I'm not giving you free reign to make false accusations. So how about cutting the nonsense? ;)
 
Westphalian said:
Says you .... someone who has repeatedly accused me of 'lying' but been unable to provide any evidence beyond apparently my failure to quote the words of a BBC journo hack :roll:.
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the evidence is there for all to read, you misquoted even your own source, thus considerably changing the meaning of the BBC report. The latter being in fact correct, while you falsified it.
The truth is that if you're going to try to drag me down then you're going with me. I'm not giving you free reign to make false accusations.
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The truth is that the accusation is not false.
So how about cutting the nonsense? ;)
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admit it and we're done.
 
:lamo:lamo

Shall I quote what Macron said yet again, exactly as I quoted it in the OP?

Which western media source would you like me to use this time?

If only I got paid by the number of Macron quotes ;)

:)
 
The original report (not any other Western media source), used by the OP himself, was misquoted by omitting a significant qualifier in said report.

Macron spoke in the context of cyber security, the original report expressly outlines this and the poster suppressed it.

That's lying.
 
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