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Merkel: Germany backs extending sanctions on Russia

As I stated previously, but you ignored because it doesn't suit your pro-Russia agenda,

My what?

at the dissolution of the USSR in 1991, the presidents of the various republics met at the Belovezhskaya Pushcha National Park in Belarus and signed the Belavezha Accords /1991. This document stated that the newly independent countries were now sovereign, and the borders shall remain as they are at the signing.

And?

Another similar document was signed at Alma-Ata, Kazakhstan (Alma-Ata Protocol / 1991). In addition, Ukraine and the new Russian Federation signed a document on how to split up the Black Sea Fleet and the lease Moscow signed for its Black Sea Fleet facility in Sevastopol (Joint Russo-Ukrainian Black Sea Fleet Agreement / 1992).

What you fail to understand/acknowledge, is that if the borders of Ukraine are not inviolate, then neither are the borders of the Russian Federation. The Belavezha Accords defines/protects the borders of each nation.

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Ukrainian President Leonid Kravchuk (second from left seated), Chairman of the Supreme Council of the Republic of Belarus Stanislav Shushkevich
(third from left seated) and Russian President Boris Yeltsin (second from right seated) during the signing ceremony to dissolve the USSR and
confirm the borders of the newly independent nations. The signing of the Belavezha Accords in 1991.

Boris Yeltsin ... one moment ... Kravchuk, Shushkevich ... now I got it! This criminals disempowered Michail Gorbačёv. They thought about nothing else than their own personal might. No no - this people were problem producers and not problem solvers.


 
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If you believe that treaties become worthless the minute some interested party decides that events have transcended them, there is no reason to sign ANYthing with Russia over just about EVERYthing. Or vice versa.


Oh, the irony :lamo
 
Boris Yeltsin ... one moment ... Kravchuk, Shushkevich ... now I got it! This criminals disempowered Michail Gorbačёv. They thought about nothing else than their own personal might. No no - this people were problem producers and not problem solvers.

Okay. You're a troll. 55 Savushkina Street?
 
Okay. You're a troll. 55 Savushkina Street?

You are refering in your arguments on people, who destroyed the Soviet empire - and the same time you refer to the laws of this Soviet empire. But either the Soviet empire was a criminal empire - then it was a crime to give the Krim for nothing except the will to continue to live in slavery to the Ukraine. Or Yeltsin, Kravchuk and Shushkevich were high treasoners (from the view of the Soviet empire, which tried to risk more democracy in those days) and they were criminals. In the first case the Ukraine is without the Krim a free state (Slogan: "I do not accept rules of the Soviets") - and in the second case the Ukraine is with the Krim still a slave of the Soviets. Unfortunatelly in modern times pragmatism (=opportunism) defines in most cases the way how people argue. To many people think the truth is product of propagandistic words and empty phrases. Everywhere seems to exist only a senseless war of words any longer and all this words seem to deny the reality in and all around us.

What do you like to win? Worst case scenario: The Ukraine and Russia are going into a war. Do you think this will help anyone in Russia and/or the Ukraine?

 
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Your post makes no sense. Either compose with sensible, rational, and valid historical arguments, or compose your points in higher quality English.

The "alternative truths" of Trump and Muscovy do not have any currency here.
 
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