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[W:48,84]18 Year Old Gang Raped by Syrian Gang in Germany, Causing Dueling Protests

Chagos said:
Been doing that with you for years.No evidence then, eh?

IOW you simply lied.who d'ya think you're kidding with a try as lame as this one?

It's nearly as lame as what you tried in July and just as unworthy of consideration.
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I meant to say, 'Happy New Year to Peter King, not Chagos'. :lamo
 
Peter King said:
Total bull, you aren't "exposing people" to these stories (most of which they already know about, but realize they are incidents, not the norm with immigrants), you are obsessing about these stories to make try and convince people that your ideology (all Muslims in Western countries are evil and need to be thrown out and/or never let in) is the right one.

Well we do not think your ideology is the right one because your ideology is one of dislike/stoking animosity and hatred towards immigrants from Muslim countries. Making them all out to be potential criminals.

There are people with your views here, people like the AFD who would never protest a group rape committed by nice white German teens but when immigrants are concerned they flock to that town to spread their populist hatred. They are not there to protest rape, to support the victims of rape, nope, they are there out of hatred of foreigners.

And when good people (a lot of women too who think the AFD does not speak for them or is a force of good to stop sex crimes) protest the racist mob, you fantasize them into a pro-rape demonstration and everyone who does not agree with you are also pro-rape. Well guess what, we are not, we are against unjustified hatred, we are pro-protection of women and we are most of us on the left very much supportive of women's rights. Something a lot of Muslims and people like the AFD disagree with because they are mostly conservatives or worse than even that, neo-nazi/skinheads/extreme right groups who are arch conservative when it comes to women's right.

And the sexual culture of Muslim men? :lamo Most Muslim men are happily married, do not engage in any sexual crime and a lot have been born in the UK.

On top of that, studies show that the vast majority of people being convicted of sex crimes against children is white/Christian. Not Muslims.



https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/newcastle-grooming-scandal-exploitation-victims-sarah-champion-race-a7890106.html
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"Most pedophiles in UK are of Pakistani descent: British home secretary"

Who's telling the truth?

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...itish-home-secretary/articleshow/67275144.cms
 
truthatallcost said:
"Most pedophiles in UK are of Pakistani descent: British home secretary"

Who's telling the truth?

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...itish-home-secretary/articleshow/67275144.cms
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Not you, that is who, did you even bother to read the article? Or are you just posting headlines without any knowledge?

From the article:
A high-proportion of men involved in gang-based child exploitation in the UK are of Pakistani descent, Javid said on BBC 4 radio
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“When it comes to gang-based child exploitation it is self-evident to anyone who cares to look that if you look at all the recent high-profile cases there is a high proportion of men that have Pakistani heritage", he said
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He was only talking about gang-based child exploitation which is something you could have known if you had bothered to READ the article in question. The entire article is solely about gang-based child exploitation not about pedophilia as a whole in which 90% approximately of perpetrators are WHITE. :doh
 
truthatallcost said:
President- La République En Marche, is a centrist, liberal and social-liberal political party in France.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_République_En_Marche!

National Assembly- 308 seats held by REM, the most of any party.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Assembly_(France)

Senate- 146/348 Groupe Les Républicains. The Senate enjoys less prominence than the lower house, the directly elected National Assembly; debates in the Senate tend to be less tense and generally receive less media coverage.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senate_(France)

Describing France as 'led by right wing parties' wrong. Or, it would take a communist to believe that these people in charge are 'right wing'.
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Except that liberals are mostly are the natural allies of conservatives in Europe, they are fiscal conservatives and social liberals. Meaning the believe mostly in individual freedoms on the social level of people's lives (not as in them being socialists, which are left wing, because they are fiscal socialists and not always social liberals to the same level some of the social liberals are).

Which does not make them leftists as you described them.

And the senate is lead by right wing parties like the biggest the LR which are conservative Gaullist members of parliament.
 
truthatallcost said:
The coming non-European state of Europe has been predicted for at least 20 years. So far, the predictions contained in this article have come to pass, such as London becoming a white minority city by 2010.

The UN's State of the World Population 1999 predicted that 98 per cent of the growth in the world's population by 2025 will occur in lesser developed regions, principally Africa and Asia. The most significant reason for this is lower birth rates in rich countries: in 61 countries, mainly the rich ones, people are no longer having enough babies to replace themselves.

One demographer, who didn't want to be named for fear of being called racist, said: 'It's a matter of pure arithmetic that, if nothing else happens, non-Euro peans will become a majority and whites a minority in the UK. That would probably be the first time an indigenous population has voluntarily become a minority in its historic homeland.'

Lee Jasper, race relations adviser to the Mayor of London, Ken Livingstone, predicted a similar future, telling The Observer : 'Where America goes, Europe follows 30 years later. There is a potential for whites to become a minority in some European countries.'

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/sep/03/race.world
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Well that "demographer" who did not want to leave his name for the obvious reason that he is an idiot, is a total moron when it comes to statistics.

In the UK, 87% of people are WHITE!!!!! And a lot of new foreigners who moved to the UK are WHITE!!!!!. The number of Polish people has estimated to have grown in 14 years from 60 thousand to 700 thousand. They are now almost the biggest group of foreigners in the UK (just pipped to the post by the Indians). 500 thousand Irish, 322 thousand Germans, 218 thousand South Africans (most of them will be white), 212 thousand US citizens, 152 thousand Italians, 150 French, 136 thousand Aussies, 117 thousand Lithuanians, 99 thousand from Portugal, 91 thousand from Spain, 89 thousand Romanians, 86 thousand Canadians, 68 thousand Dutch, etc. etc. etc.

And the birthrate of Pakistani, Indian, whatever non-white groups, will decline too. There are not big enough homes to house the kind of families they used to have and life is much more expensive now than it was way back when. That is a fact of life. Now they will remain higher than white for some time to come but the difference will drop. It is already happening for example in the Netherlands, where the birthrate of Turks and Moroccans is going down compared to when their parents arrived because frankly their kids mostly do not want to be burdened by 12 kids, they think 3 is more than enough.

And now coming back to the idiot demographer who stated that white would become a minority in the UK, as stated before 87% are white, 6.9% are Asian/British Asian and 3% are Black/British Black. You have to be an enormous Pillock to believe that with numbers like that, the UK will turn majority non-European anytime in the next hundreds of years when the growth stays about this? Because FYI, a lot of the Poles and other old communist countries will also have more than the normal number of "white" kids compared to normal UK citizens because most of them are good Catholics or good religious people who have bigger families than most in the West of Europe have.
 
Peter King said:
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I did read the article, which addresses pedophile gangs, but the title of the article includes the phrase 'most pedophiles' without distinguishing between those who are technically associated with a gang. Maybe the home secretary was hinting at something we're not supposed to know.
 
Peter King said:
Except that liberals are mostly are the natural allies of conservatives in Europe, they are fiscal conservatives and social liberals. Meaning the believe mostly in individual freedoms on the social level of people's lives (not as in them being socialists, which are left wing, because they are fiscal socialists and not always social liberals to the same level some of the social liberals are).

Which does not make them leftists as you described them.

And the senate is lead by right wing parties like the biggest the LR which are conservative Gaullist members of parliament.
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Which doesn't validate the statement you made about France being controlled by the right wing.
 
truthatallcost said:
I did read the article, which addresses pedophile gangs, but the title of the article includes the phrase 'most pedophiles' without distinguishing between those who are technically associated with a gang. Maybe the home secretary was hinting at something we're not supposed to know.
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But the content of the article, including the words used were purely about gangs, not about pedophiles in general.
 
truthatallcost said:
I did read the article, which addresses pedophile gangs, but the title of the article includes the phrase 'most pedophiles' without distinguishing between those who are technically associated with a gang. Maybe the home secretary was hinting at something we're not supposed to know.
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.....and maybe the conspiracy theories that are bred from your paranoia wouldn't even inflate sufficiently to fall flat again right away, if you couldn't find some sloppily constructed article where the title in no way matches the content. Let alone matches what the Home Secretary indeed DID say.:roll:

Of course you having (as you claim) read the article would have precluded using such slop, were it not for who and what you are.

Just another one of your :failpail: posts.
 
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Peter King said:
Well that "demographer" who did not want to leave his name for the obvious reason that he is an idiot, is a total moron when it comes to statistics.

In the UK, 87% of people are WHITE!!!!! And a lot of new foreigners who moved to the UK are WHITE!!!!!. The number of Polish people has estimated to have grown in 14 years from 60 thousand to 700 thousand. They are now almost the biggest group of foreigners in the UK (just pipped to the post by the Indians). 500 thousand Irish, 322 thousand Germans, 218 thousand South Africans (most of them will be white), 212 thousand US citizens, 152 thousand Italians, 150 French, 136 thousand Aussies, 117 thousand Lithuanians, 99 thousand from Portugal, 91 thousand from Spain, 89 thousand Romanians, 86 thousand Canadians, 68 thousand Dutch, etc. etc. etc.

And the birthrate of Pakistani, Indian, whatever non-white groups, will decline too. There are not big enough homes to house the kind of families they used to have and life is much more expensive now than it was way back when. That is a fact of life. Now they will remain higher than white for some time to come but the difference will drop. It is already happening for example in the Netherlands, where the birthrate of Turks and Moroccans is going down compared to when their parents arrived because frankly their kids mostly do not want to be burdened by 12 kids, they think 3 is more than enough.

And now coming back to the idiot demographer who stated that white would become a minority in the UK, as stated before 87% are white, 6.9% are Asian/British Asian and 3% are Black/British Black. You have to be an enormous Pillock to believe that with numbers like that, the UK will turn majority non-European anytime in the next hundreds of years when the growth stays about this? Because FYI, a lot of the Poles and other old communist countries will also have more than the normal number of "white" kids compared to normal UK citizens because most of them are good Catholics or good religious people who have bigger families than most in the West of Europe have.
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Racial trends still spell the end of a white majority in Europe. Scoff all you like, but those who are planning this change don't think in terms of 5-10 years, but rather several decades. And while the white population of the UK is indeed 25% higher than the USA, it won't stay that way. By 2060, whites will be down to 65% of the population, and then it's a downward spiral towards becoming a minority, as will be the case first in the USA.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/ne...w/news-story/8c11df3f1c3cc93da9c94295cd112028

I'm a traditionalist, not a white nationalist. I don't care how many Poles move into the UK, they are not Britons, Scots, Welsh, or Irish. They may hold citizenship which legally classifies them as such, but they are not going to be a driving force in innovation and academic brilliance in the UK. That's just the reality of things, and now you can call me prejudiced or whatever you like, nature is discriminatory as well.
 
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Chagos said:
.....and maybe the conspiracy theories that are bred from your paranoia wouldn't even inflate sufficiently to fall flat again right away, if you couldn't find some sloppily constructed article where the title in no way matches the content. Let alone matches what the Home Secretary indeed DID say.:roll:

Of course you having (as you claim) read the article would have precluded using such slop, were it not for who and what you are.

Just another one of your :failpail: posts.
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The UK neither collects nor disseminates data on the issue. So we're left trying to discern truth which your former government denies it's citizenry. Who're they trying to protect by making such facts impossible to attain? Certainly not Englishmen. The only conspiracy here (and a futile one at that) is the one being perpetrated by your former government to keep the truth hidden from view.
 
truthatallcost said:
The UK neither collects nor disseminates data on the issue. So we're left trying to discern truth which your former government denies it's citizenry. Who're they trying to protect by making such facts impossible to attain? Certainly not Englishmen. The only conspiracy here (and a futile one at that) is the one being perpetrated by your former government to keep the truth hidden from view.
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None of which serves to evidence that the majority of paedophiles in the UK are Pakistani, nor that the Home Secretary said that.

What it does serve to demonstrate though is that you are not only lying once again, but actually repeating the same lie of the past that has been repeatedly revealed by others here.

All of it apparently in the hope that people will remember your lies while not reading the past rebuttals and in the same hope assuming that a lie that's repeated often enough will eventually hold more weight than actual facts will.

In the spirit of which your proof of there having been a pro-rape rally in Germany remains outstanding, so we can add that lie to the list of all your other ones.
 
truthatallcost said:
You're answering a question which wasn't posed to you.
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It's an Internet forum - that means you make public comments, you expect to be challenged to responded to.

truthatallcost said:
anybody who wishes to sweep these types of stories under the rug without an honest discussion of the facts
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In 4-5 years you have yet to demonstrate any interest in honest discussion of facts. Anyhow - please answer the question and provide proof in response to my question "I want proof the counter rally is demonstrably "pro-rape." Signs / statements / posters from the rally either in German or English will do. Failing that - any links to the organisers stating they want to have a "pro-rape" rally or campaign now, a year ago or any time in the last 10 years."

I gave you images and proof of muslims protesting at the murder of two Norwegians in Morocco on another thread (whether you liked the proof or not) so I would like to see proof of the rally in the OP being "pro-rape."
 
Infinite Chaos said:
. Anyhow - please answer the question and provide proof in response to my question "I want proof the counter rally is demonstrably "pro-rape." Signs / statements / posters from the rally either in German or English will do. Failing that - any links to the organisers stating they want to have a "pro-rape" rally or campaign now, a year ago or any time in the last 10 years."
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Nice try IC, but I know from experience that he won't, because he can't. He'll follow the usual pattern of running away from his own thread once he's caught out by somebody far smarter than himself, in this case you.

He will then bounce back with yet another pointless racist and islamophobic thread based on lies only to have the gall to accuse you and others of lying and running away from difficult questions. Been there with him many times! Apparently I defend rape gangs, however I've yet to have the post where I've actually done that pointed out to me. Strange that eh?

That manure thread in the basement was pretty spot on I'd say.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
It's an Internet forum - that means you make public comments, you expect to be challenged to responded to.



In 4-5 years you have yet to demonstrate any interest in honest discussion of facts. Anyhow - please answer the question and provide proof in response to my question "I want proof the counter rally is demonstrably "pro-rape." Signs / statements / posters from the rally either in German or English will do. Failing that - any links to the organisers stating they want to have a "pro-rape" rally or campaign now, a year ago or any time in the last 10 years."

I gave you images and proof of muslims protesting at the murder of two Norwegians in Morocco on another thread (whether you liked the proof or not) so I would like to see proof of the rally in the OP being "pro-rape."
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Urethra Franklin said:
Nice try IC, but I know from experience that he won't, because he can't. He'll follow the usual pattern of running away from his own thread once he's caught out by somebody far smarter than himself, in this case you.

He will then bounce back with yet another pointless racist and islamophobic thread based on lies only to have the gall to accuse you and others of lying and running away from difficult questions. Been there with him many times! Apparently I defend rape gangs, however I've yet to have the post where I've actually done that pointed out to me. Strange that eh?

That manure thread in the basement was pretty spot on I'd say.
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I've answered already. You two are especially incapable of reading a thread from start to finish. Its my opinion that the counter protestors we're pro-rape. We're not merely allowed to interject opinion into our OP's, we're supposed to. It's against the rules to post threads without offering an opinion, because otherwise there's not much for people to discuss.

Secondly, you two likely would have attended the counter protest, along with Die Linke (borderline communists) and Die Partei (apathetic clowns), if you were from Germany. You're the type who cringe at the mention of crime committed by refugees, because YOU think it reflects upon the whole of a race, religion, or immigrants. That's why you decry my mention of these types of stories. The problem is with YOU, not I.
 
truthatallcost said:
I've answered already. You two are especially incapable of reading a thread from start to finish. Its my opinion that the counter protestors we're pro-rape. We're not merely allowed to interject opinion into our OP's, we're supposed to. It's against the rules to post threads without offering an opinion, because otherwise there's not much for people to discuss.

Secondly, you two likely would have attended the counter protest, along with Die Linke (borderline communists) and Die Partei (apathetic clowns), if you were from Germany. You're the type who cringe at the mention of crime committed by refugees, because YOU think it reflects upon the whole of a race, religion, or immigrants. That's why you decry my mention of these types of stories. The problem is with YOU, not I.
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You are allowed your opinion and we are allowed to say that your opinion about the anti-AFD protesters are pro rape is tripe, lies, nonsense, complete and utter BS, fantasy, untrue, etc. etc. etc.

And worse than that you are accusing the women who were at that protest of being pro-rape and that is just all kind of wrong because it is not only a total lie but also a sick accusation against those women. That you are incapable of differentiate of people protesting hate mongers and proponents of rape is your problem, we have a more realistic view and will speak that truth, because it is the truth.
 
truthatallcost said:
I've answered already.
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That was no answer, it was a dodge and a rather weak one at that.

truthatallcost said:
~ Its my opinion that the counter protestors we're pro-rape.
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It's an unsubstantiated opinion at that. Anyone could equally say the protestors were from Mars and have just the same response because intelligent readers are here not to rubbish you but to engage, be prepared to challenge their own opinion and even change them. The problem with these threads and the complete lack of intellectual veracity is that here is no response other than to rubbish the opinion and to deride it.

truthatallcost said:
We're not merely allowed to interject opinion into our OP's, we're supposed to. It's against the rules to post threads without offering an opinion, because otherwise there's not much for people to discuss.
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The most successful threads offer something worthwhile to discuss and don't start with lies or opinions formed from lies.
 
truthatallcost said:
I've answered already. You two are especially incapable of reading a thread from start to finish. Its my opinion that the counter protestors we're pro-rape. We're not merely allowed to interject opinion into our OP's, we're supposed to. It's against the rules to post threads without offering an opinion, because otherwise there's not much for people to discuss.
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Well, this pathetic attempt to get yourself out of having been revealed as lying, is as much a lie as is your original claim.

Simply because you did not specify your original claim as an opinion but designed it as a factual statement.

And now that it's been established that you can corroborate nothing, you resort to your usual practice of trying to wiggle out by presenting yet a further lie.

Secondly, you two likely would have attended the counter protest, along with Die Linke (borderline communists) and Die Partei (apathetic clowns), if you were from Germany. You're the type who cringe at the mention of crime committed by refugees, because YOU think it reflects upon the whole of a race, religion, or immigrants. That's why you decry my mention of these types of stories. The problem is with YOU, not I.
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The above presentation showing quite clearly that the problem of dishonesty remains as being rooted in you.

Exclusively.

Because what most here by now have identified as worthy of decrying, is your constantly displayed dishonesty in virtually any of your threads or posts. Combined with demonstrations of cowardice when challenged, by displaying such feeble and equally dishonest attempts of self-justification as we can all see above (commonly identified as "running").

With your habitual attempts at trying to turn the tables also failing as usual.
 
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I wonder what you call those who cover up Muslim rapes and sexual assaults in the interests of harmonious relations?
 
Westphalian said:
I wonder what you call those who cover up Muslim rapes and sexual assaults in the interests of harmonious relations?
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Maybe this was addressed at the general audience, nevertheless I (Je, Yo, Ich, Я) call those that constantly lie "those that constantly lie".

That would and will include the group you cite.

If OTH you feel the need to join any crowd that dishonestly calls an anti-Nazi rally a pro-rape rally, you may feel free to include yourself in that assessment.

And if you feel the need to rally in support of racists, anti-semites, White Supremacists in general and those habitually lying over most if not all things, you may feel yourself included with those too.
 
Chagos said:
~ That would and will include the group you cite ~
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And there, you expose the utter dishonesty where people argue that just because you're not part of a baying mob ready to tar and feather everyone who questions the honesty of the cause or mob.

Dare explain that not all muslims are terrorists then you're a terrorist sympathiser.
Dare explain that muslim rape gangs started within their own community raping muslim girls and you're being politically correct.
Dare explain to anyone using the classic broad brush approach that broad brushes taint the innocent as well as the guilty in any area and somehow you're a sympathiser to a despicable cause. Here, the attempt is that because one foolish argument and blatant lie has been repeatedly exposed, we are failing to call to account "those who cover up Muslim rapes and sexual assaults in the interests of harmonious relations" or never have done elsewhere on the forums.

It's a really stupid, really dishonest way to try and support a position in a ANY debate.
 
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~..................... Here, the attempt is that because one foolish argument and blatant lie has been repeatedly exposed, ....................~
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and to keep the count up to date,

1. The anti - Nazi rally was pro-rape is the opening statement long since exposed as a lie.

2. "The article goes on to tout the usual blather such as 'immigrants are making Germany safer!" as claimed in the OP is yet another blatant lie.

3. The anti-Nazi rally was organized by Die Partei, another one

4. Add the British Home Secretary having stated "Most pedophiles in UK are of Pakistani descent"

5. Finally we can add the recent lie of the pro-rape rally having been "merely" an opinion expressed, seeing how it was not stated in the OP as being anything of the sort, and

6. to address the claim of that clarification having been made: a meek attempt at any such explanation having been offered two months after the OP (91 posts later) and after countless challenges that went unanswered.

7. Finally (for the moment) exacerbated by the accusation towards two posters in #141, of their being prone to suppressing reports on rape

None of which takes anything away from the rest of your above post and just serves to confirm that (at least in your and my book and in that of most others) the only thing worthy of address in threads and posts from this source is the continuously displayed dishonesty from the getgo.

One could add the dishonesty of the originator of post #146 (for instance the claim of the German system having failed to report accurately on Cologne in post #23) but apart from revealing that particular lie, I also ready pointed out at the time that it's a completely different topic already dealt with here long ago.

Just mentioning it to point out that lies attract lies like manure does flies.
 
Chagos said:
Well, this pathetic attempt to get yourself out of having been revealed as lying, is as much a lie as is your original claim.

Simply because you did not specify your original claim as an opinion but designed it as a factual statement.

And now that it's been established that you can corroborate nothing, you resort to your usual practice of trying to wiggle out by presenting yet a further lie.

The above presentation showing quite clearly that the problem of dishonesty remains as being rooted in you.

Exclusively.

Because what most here by now have identified as worthy of decrying, is your constantly displayed dishonesty in virtually any of your threads or posts. Combined with demonstrations of cowardice when challenged, by displaying such feeble and equally dishonest attempts of self-justification as we can all see above (commonly identified as "running").

With your habitual attempts at trying to turn the tables also failing as usual.
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Pathetic as usual Chagos. When you and the others (RV, Urethra, IC) are once again resoundingly proven to be impotent thinkers void of even a shred of wisdom (despite each of you being several decades older than me) you demand that I prove German leftists don't care much about sexual assault, and are this 'pro-rape'. Anyone with an IQ over 83 knows leftists in general don't care much when an immigrant/refugee/asylum seeker rapes a native citizen. The apathy of Die Partei isn't unique to Germany, it's an insidious infection in the brains of leftists everywhere.

Now, just wait until Die Linke expresses some form of criticism of your #1 favored nation in the middle east. Then it'll be YOU making baseless claims against them! Hahahahaha. What goes around comes around chum.
 
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