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Putler&Ozero sends troops and missiles into Libya in bid to enforce stranglehold on the West

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Syria 2?



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"Russia" is moving troops and missiles into Libya in a bid to enforce a new stranglehold on the West, British prime minister Theresa May has been warned. Intelligence chiefs have told Mrs May that Vladimir Putin wants to make the wartorn North African country “his new Syria”. And seizing control of the …"



https://flipboard.com/@FoxNews/russ...iFUgO9z0D0g:a:47769551-a64d69945a/foxnews.com
 
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Syria 2?



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"Russia" is moving troops and missiles into Libya in a bid to enforce a new stranglehold on the West, British prime minister Theresa May has been warned. Intelligence chiefs have told Mrs May that Vladimir Putin wants to make the wartorn North African country “his new Syria”. And seizing control of the …"



https://flipboard.com/@FoxNews/russ...iFUgO9z0D0g:a:47769551-a64d69945a/foxnews.com

Embarrass the West again and make money managing Libya's now very messed up oil fields sounds like a solid plan.
 
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Embarrass the West again and make money managing Libya's now very messed up oil fields sounds like a solid plan.

a putlerist from Olgino
 
Re: Putler&Ozero sends troops and missiles into Libya in bid to enforce stranglehold on the West

Libya has been transformed by the West's 2011 bombings.

It is an ugly testament to the lunacy of western foreign policy (actually a UK / French led disaster).

That the European colonial ex powers managed to unleash a flood of immigrants into Europe via Libya, putting seismic strain on the EU and some member states, seems a fitting epitaph to the incompetence of UK and French foreign policy.
 
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Yet another country Russia can saturate bomb and kill thousands to satiate Putin's blood lust.
 
Re: Putler&Ozero sends troops and missiles into Libya in bid to enforce stranglehold on the West

Libya has been transformed by the West's 2011 bombings.

It is an ugly testament to the lunacy of western foreign policy (actually a UK / French led disaster).

That the European colonial ex powers managed to unleash a flood of immigrants into Europe via Libya, putting seismic strain on the EU and some member states, seems a fitting epitaph to the incompetence of UK and French foreign policy.
The question here is not so much why you persist in lying (we all know the reason for that) but why you keep deluding yourself into believing that you're having any success in that venture.

The flood of immigrants that indeed put a strain on the EU in 2015 didn't come via Libya at all.

The numbers that now make it from sub-Sahara to Europe via Libya are, by comparison, negligible. With "the tide" currently pretty much stemmed (to manageable proportion).
 
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What we actually see happening in this respect, is the Kremlin actively leading its disinformation campaign about all conflict potential being generated by the West, ad absurdum.

Where its lies factories claim that the Kremlin respects the UN arms embargo, there have been reports already last year over how it's actually supplying arms to yet another brutal warlord and murdering dictator (Khalifa Haftar). In all fairness, Russia is not the only one in breach of the UN resolution, the Emirates and Egypt being in the forefront as well.

Haftar gaining more power would undermine cooperation between Europe and the UN-recognized government, by which the flow of refugees across the Med. has been currently diminished. And where Haftar has announced that any regime of his would cut the tide completely, he's always asked for drones, helicopters and ships in exchange. Implication being : "or else".

What we see is a repetition of the Kremlin's Syria folly. "No matter how brutal, no matter how undemocratic, no matter how harmful in the long term even to us, support any stinking thug as long as he combats Islamism and as long as our support for him throws a spike into the wheels of the West."

Any thinking person or Head of State in "the West" entertaining dreams of co-operating with such an entity, needs to go. To be replaced by those that are prepared to vigorously oppose such activities.
 
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The question here is not so much why you persist in lying (we all know the reason for that) but why you keep deluding yourself into believing that you're having any success in that venture.

The flood of immigrants that indeed put a strain on the EU in 2015 didn't come via Libya at all.

The numbers that now make it from sub-Sahara to Europe via Libya are, by comparison, negligible. With "the tide" currently pretty much stemmed (to manageable proportion).

+1
a good example Chechnya Muscovite killed 200,000 civilian (Genocide) there and what resulted have they achieved there?

Chechnya is rapidly becoming Russia's Algeria, according to a Moscow commentator, not only because most Russians see it as an inalienable part of their country that is nonetheless de facto separate but also because Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov is laying the groundwork now for the de jure independence of his republic.

In an article in Monday's Yezhednevny Zhurnal, Mark Feygin argues that those who believe that Chechnya will never seek independence because of the assistance Moscow provides to it understand neither the nature of Chechnya nor the way in which its leaders are pursuing independence.

And he suggests that the French experience in Algeria, a place many French people believed would always remain a department of France and one that divided the French elite even more than Chechnya has divided the Russian one, provides a suggestive analogy, albeit one whose outcome is something many Russians still say they oppose.

Despite the new wave of violence across the North Caucasus, many Russians in recent weeks have comforted themselves with the idea that however bad things there may be and however much that violence may spread into Russia proper, there is little or no chance that Chechnya or any of the other republics will seek to go its own way.
https://themoscowtimes.com/news/chechnya-rapidly-becoming-russias-algeria-35027
 
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The question here is not so much why you persist in lying (we all know the reason for that) but why you keep deluding yourself into believing that you're having any success in that venture.

The flood of immigrants that indeed put a strain on the EU in 2015 didn't come via Libya at all.

The numbers that now make it from sub-Sahara to Europe via Libya are, by comparison, negligible. With "the tide" currently pretty much stemmed (to manageable proportion).


You're in full denial Chagos ........ a proper old fashioned Europhile.

But all this nonsense about 'lying', well, I'm sure people can form their own opinion.

Here's what your own beloved ECFR has to say about Libya, and it's not a pretty sight - what with armed militias being in control, and 700,000 migrants wanting to get to Europe:


https://www.ecfr.eu/specials/mapping_migration#
 
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Looks like the Kremlin has learned nothing from its Afghanistan adventure and stupidly believes that "Vietnamization" can only happen to everyone else.

its already happened in Muscovy.

here the Video Chechens beat and humiliate a Muscovite officer who served in Chechnya



The Chechens hunt down the Muscovite officers who have served in Chechnya (TV-report from the state TV.ru)
 
Re: Putler&Ozero sends troops and missiles into Libya in bid to enforce stranglehold on the West

What we actually see happening in this respect, is the Kremlin actively leading its disinformation campaign about all conflict potential being generated by the West, ad absurdum.


This thread is about Libya, and the West (particularly certain EU states) are culpably responsible. Why are you banging on about the Kremlin? This is nothing to do with Russia. Libya is a product of the West's risible intervention in 2011 :

https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/o...sm-consequences-collapse-160128054629594.html


When former Libyan leader Colonel Muammar Gaddafi was dragged from a drainage pipe in his hometown of Sirte and summarily executed by rebel forces in October 2011, much of the world looked at the event optimistically as the end of a 42-year dictatorship and a chance for the country to move forward.


In reality, however, the power vacuum left by the fall of Gaddafi's regime, along with vast stockpiles of unguarded weapons free for the taking, created a security nightmare that not only continues to threaten the region to this day but also has broader implications for the long-term global struggle against violent extremism. Life in Libya under Gaddafi was bad; life in Libya today may arguably be worse.

Taking advantage of the chaos and large swaths of ungoverned territory caused by Libya's civil war, ISIL has established three separate wilayat or provinces there since late 2014: Tarablus along the west coast; Fezzan in the southwest; and Barqah in the east, with the key coastal city of Sirte serving as its Libyan capital. Like its parent group in Syria and Iraq, ISIL in Libya has uploaded video proof of its atrocities to the Internet, including mass decapitations of Egyptian, Ethiopian and Eritrean Christians.

For ISIL, control of Libya is of significant strategic value. Apart from Syria and Iraq, Libya - with its access to ports, large stores of weapons and established trans-Saharan smuggling routes - remains ISIL's only other territorial holding.

Libya also serves as a major recruiting ground for foreign fighters from elsewhere in the region, particularly Tunisia, Algeria and Egypt, who continue to flock there to fight. Some ISIL recruitment videos have even instructed aspiring foreign fighters in the region to travel to Libya instead of its besieged positions in Syria and Iraq.
 
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Well there's the oil but I believe it's the port they are after, Tobruk would give them another military port in the med. Russia is denying it for the moment but it makes too much sense

Russia's plans for military base in east Libya: Truth or fabrication

French expert, Alain Rodier, told Atlantico days ago that Russia was interested in military bases to be built in Libya and Egypt in addition to its two bases in Syria in Tartus and Hemeimeem, adding that a sea port was Russia's first plan in Tobruk, Libya.

"Russian delegates visited Tobruk more than once in the last period and checked the conditions of the port." said a reliable source from Tobruk-base parliament as reported by the New Arab news website, thus casting doubt on Bondarev's denial as being not all-time true.

"It is not going to take long before we all discover the true intentions of Russia because building a military base will be sooner or later announced to the public." The sources added, confirm g that Khalifa Haftar was behind the proposal of the military base with Egypt's consent.

He added that Haftar's order to shut down Tobruk port last October under the pretext of corruption was not real, saying the true motive was prompted by Russia.

"Tobruk is such a fit for a Russia military base as it is close to Egypt - Russia's ally in the region - but the delay is because of conflicts between Russia and France on each one's military presence in Libya." The source further explained.
https://www.libyaobserver.ly/news/russias-plans-military-base-east-libya-truth-or-fabrication
 
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You're in full denial Chagos ........
:roll:your projection issues have already been addressed
But all this nonsense about 'lying', well, I'm sure people can form their own opinion.
not only can they, they will. More's the pity for you and yours.

Here's what your own beloved ECFR has to say
It's not mine.
Libya, and it's not a pretty sight - what with armed militias being in control, and 700,000 migrants wanting to get to Europe:
which has nothing to do with the thread's topic of Russian interference today, even in Libya.
 
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This thread is about Libya, and the West (particularly certain EU states) are culpably responsible. Why are you banging on about the Kremlin? This is nothing to do with Russia. ......................~
and with that further example of your lies, you could have saved yourself the rest.

The thread title clearly indicates what it's all about and I've outlined it further in post #7. You trying to derail it towards spouting your own agenda which has nothing to do with the presented premise, changes nothing.

It's slowly getting to the point where one can consider responding to any post of yours with just a template. Which would simply read "just another example of your lying behaviour"

Meanwhile, if you want to discuss Gaddafi, his disposal and the subsequent decline of the country, start your own friggin' thread on it. If you have nothing to say on Russia's behaviour in the area, then darn well say nothing

Instead of engaging in your habitual whataboutism in anything you enter, by derailing threads all over the place.

Because such troll tactics don't work on here:roll:
 
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Well there's the oil but I believe it's the port they are after, Tobruk would give them another military port in the med. Russia is denying it for the moment but it makes too much sense

Russia's plans for military base in east Libya: Truth or fabrication


https://www.libyaobserver.ly/news/russias-plans-military-base-east-libya-truth-or-fabrication

Russia is not seeking to rival, or even emulate in any way, the US global military empire.

Bondarev says what has long been Russian policy - that it adopts a very cautious approach designed to ensure Russian interests are served and there is some balance to irresponsible US power. My sources say that a base in Egypt is much more likely given Libya's instability. Russia has no interest in cleaning up the mess left behind by the West.
 
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Russia is not seeking to rival, or even emulate in any way, the US global military empire.
juxtaposed by
a base in Egypt is much more likely

Do you sometimes read the idiotic contradictions you type before sending?
 
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January 2017 (already)

Haftar auf Russenschiff.jpg

three guesses to both the nationality of the ship (aircraft carrier) and the identity of the guy on the right.
 
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Syria 2?



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"Russia" is moving troops and missiles into Libya in a bid to enforce a new stranglehold on the West, British prime minister Theresa May has been warned. Intelligence chiefs have told Mrs May that Vladimir Putin wants to make the wartorn North African country “his new Syria”. And seizing control of the …"



https://flipboard.com/@FoxNews/russ...iFUgO9z0D0g:a:47769551-a64d69945a/foxnews.com

Technichally libya is a complete wasteland right now that makes syria look like heaven on earth, which gets no media attention since human rights violations only mattered when their dictator was in power, as soon as he fell and the country went into nonstop war the world stopped caring, showing human rights and democracy were never a goal but simply regime change.


Why russia is there is for many reasons, one of the greatest being isis. If you pa attention to dagestan and chechnya, most of the rebels there are not even from those regions, they are mostly islamic extremists from afghanistan pakistan and saudi arabia, much the same most of the rebel resistance in syria came from people outside syria. Russia views any terrorist or islamic rebel groups as a threat to their national sovereignity, and libya is the unchecked region that went to hell and was left to rebel groups and terrorists after their govt was overthrown.
 
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Yet another country Russia can saturate bomb and kill thousands to satiate Putin's blood lust.

Libya has done a better job at doing that to themselves than anything russia could do to them, the country makes somalia look like a civilized land, which shows the wests care for human rights only extend to a nation until an agenda is fulfilled, in which those people will be abandoned and left to fight among themselves.
 
Re: Putler&Ozero sends troops and missiles into Libya in bid to enforce stranglehold on the West

Well there's the oil but I believe it's the port they are after, Tobruk would give them another military port in the med. Russia is denying it for the moment but it makes too much sense

Russia's plans for military base in east Libya: Truth or fabrication


https://www.libyaobserver.ly/news/russias-plans-military-base-east-libya-truth-or-fabrication

They probably have plans for a base there in the future, however they most likely are trying to contain unchecked islamic radicals in that region to prevent them from exporting themselves to chechnya and dagestan. Another thing they are probably trying to do is trying the same world image effect as the bridge america would not build, until the soviets offered to, basically libya is left in utter ruin with no real govt that controls the entire nation and constant war, if russia managed to take control it would be a slap in the face for western nations.

On the bridge story
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulcan,_West_Virginia
It was about a bridge the state and us govt would not build, and the soviets were ready to help them, it would have been a major pr stunt to the world about america not able to handle it;s own problems and needing the soviet union to fix them, which is why as soon as word got out the state suddenly crapped out the money for the bridge.
 
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juxtaposed by


Do you sometimes read the idiotic contradictions you type before sending?



Do ever realise the idiotic nonsense you type?

Since when would a single possible base in Egypt equate to a global military empire equivalent to that of the US?
 
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With the cognitive dissonance you're constantly seen as displaying, you probably think this is a rebuttal.
Do ever realise the idiotic nonsense you type?

Since when would a single possible base in Egypt equate to a global military empire equivalent to that of the US?

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We fully respect the UN Security Council Resolution 1970 which imposed an arms embargo on Libya," the mission representative said.
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Chagos - still waiting for you to explain how a single possible future base in Libya equates to a US style global military empire?
 
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bla bla "possible future base in Libya equates"... build it we will bomb it to dust , dont worry
 
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