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"RuSSians" GET OUT OF MOLDOVA, "Prime Minister of Moldova calls in UN for withdrawal of "Russian" tr

Re: "RuSSians" GET OUT OF MOLDOVA, "Prime Minister of Moldova calls in UN for withdrawal of "Russian

Vladamir was the country of part of modern russia to extend to trading outpost in moscow, vladamir was part of rus, vladamir ended up becoming a vassal state of mongolia, while the rest of rus was defeated by mongolians, and only later taken over from mongolians by lithuania, heck the fact you are so terrible even at matters involving your own countries involvement in the region or matters of rus is pathetic.

Belongs to your first self - proclaimed "czar" (great khan ) , right?

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"The Code Allah Mohammed was written on the ancient Arabian at the helmet of Ivan IV The Terrible. 1530s"
 
Re: "RuSSians" GET OUT OF MOLDOVA, "Prime Minister of Moldova calls in UN for withdrawal of "Russian

Again, that claim is delusional and has been throughly debunked.

First and foremost, Muscovy emerged as a distinct entity in 1283, so claiming it was a 16th century product is factually incorrect.

Ah, another claim from the same “source” that you used to make the idiotic claim that the term “tsar” comes from Mongolia?

I’ve already debunked that particularly piece of stupidity.

really? LOL, what Mongols did in that time? question to you, why in 13c? not in 11 c or some other century?
 
Re: "RuSSians" GET OUT OF MOLDOVA, "Prime Minister of Moldova calls in UN for withdrawal of "Russian

Stalin absolutely loved the jews, except when he didn't. During ww2 he let the jews build religious centers, practice their faith openly in defiance of his own state mandated athiesm which did not ban religion but banned any public display of it, then turned around and banned jewish religion being displayed in open and punished many of the jews to the gulags.

He was very supportive of them during ww2 but right after the war he started viewing them as a threat, and treated them the same way he treated every race and religion he viewed as a threat. Russia would not recover from stalins morning breakfast of genocide until he died, and the next leader started making amends towards his atrocities.
I'd agree (were one to pose the proposition) that post-Stalin leaders have generally done their best to put the foot on anti-semitism's neck in Russia. And even where success varied, things never got as bad again (so far) as under him.

That doesn't mean that anti-semitism in Russia has ceased, but I don't have to point that out to YOU.

And just to repeat, it doesn't excuse its existence anywhere else either.
 
Re: "RuSSians" GET OUT OF MOLDOVA, "Prime Minister of Moldova calls in UN for withdrawal of "Russian

Belongs to your first self - proclaimed "czar" (great khan ) , right?

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"The Code Allah Mohammed was written on the ancient Arabian at the helmet of Ivan IV The Terrible. 1530s"

At one point in time they were a vassal state of mongolia, tomorrow the sky is blue, either way the nonsense you put out is not historically factual and rather some absurd idea thought in your head after you twisted history to mean what you wanted it to mean.
 
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I'd agree (were one to pose the proposition) that post-Stalin leaders have generally done their best to put the foot on anti-semitism's neck in Russia. And even where success varied, things never got as bad again (so far) as under him.

That doesn't mean that anti-semitism in Russia has ceased, but I don't have to point that out to YOU.

And just to repeat, it doesn't excuse its existence anywhere else either.

Anti semitism is actually common in russia even today, russia has only been better because of putin, who was sympathetic towards the jewish population and israel due to his childhood experiences. Currently russia and israel are practically allies in everything but official title, however putin is the main man behind that, as soon as he leaves office everything could go backwards, and to make it worse the next leader might be hostile towards jews, or muslims, or non orthodox christians, or asians etc. The fact that russia is often full of hate demonstrated why they have relied on strongmen to run the country, because if it were not for authority, russia would be in one mass war/ethnic cleansing.
 
Re: "RuSSians" GET OUT OF MOLDOVA, "Prime Minister of Moldova calls in UN for withdrawal of "Russian

At one point in time they were a vassal state of mongolia, tomorrow the sky is blue, either way the nonsense you put out is not historically factual and rather some absurd idea thought in your head after you twisted history to mean what you wanted it to mean.
Beyond which, that helmet ever being worn by Ivan Grosny has never found sufficient confirmation. Not, that is, beyond reasonable doubt.

And if it was indeed made by Russian craftsmen (as some sources suggest), so what?

There's a palace near here that was commissioned by a Christian king (in Sevilla) and has Arabic all over it. Because it was constructed by Moorish workmen supplied by one of his Muslim vassals.

The king (Pedro) obviously liked it and I applaud his taste.
 
Re: "RuSSians" GET OUT OF MOLDOVA, "Prime Minister of Moldova calls in UN for withdrawal of "Russian

Beyond which, that helmet ever being worn by Ivan Grosny has never found sufficient confirmation. Not, that is, beyond reasonable doubt.

And if it was indeed made by Russian craftsmen (as some sources suggest), so what?

There's a palace near here that was commissioned by a Christian king (in Sevilla) and has Arabic all over it. Because it was constructed by Moorish workmen supplied by one of his Muslim vassals.

The king (Pedro) obviously liked it and I applaud his taste.

Keep in mind he likes to point out onion domes in russia, while ignoring their use in ukraine and belarus. The onion dome originated from byzantine orthodox architecture which originated from ancient rome. Through the years all of rus morphed their style around the orthodox style, russia did slender onion domes, while ukraine did broader domes, the middle east started doing onion domes only after the byzantine empire, their early works looked nothing like modern mosques or palaces.

Given the byzantine empire was the continuation of the roman empire, and their influence went through europe asia and the middle east, it is no surprise they spread their designs everywhere. He however is convinced because people in the middle east use them it must be mongolian design brought to russia, while ignoring that onion domes were used almost 100 years before mongolia invaded that area, and that no mongolian architecture ever matched it until post invasion suggesting mongolians copied the style rather than supplying it.


Also keep in mind as far as christian anything, arabic aramaic and hebrew were very widely used in early christianity, which later fell apart when the catholic church pushed latin as it's sole acceptable language for the writings.
 
Re: "RuSSians" GET OUT OF MOLDOVA, "Prime Minister of Moldova calls in UN for withdrawal of "Russian

At one point in time they were a vassal state of mongolia, tomorrow the sky is blue, either way the nonsense you put out is not historically factual and rather some absurd idea thought in your head after you twisted history to mean what you wanted it to mean.

so year 1530s ( Ivan IV The Terrible.) Muscovy was a vassal "state" of "mongolia" , right?
 
Re: "RuSSians" GET OUT OF MOLDOVA, "Prime Minister of Moldova calls in UN for withdrawal of "Russian

Beyond which, that helmet ever being worn by Ivan Grosny has never found sufficient confirmation. Not, that is, beyond reasonable doubt.

And if it was indeed made by Russian craftsmen (as some sources suggest), so what?

There's a palace near here that was commissioned by a Christian king (in Sevilla) and has Arabic all over it. Because it was constructed by Moorish workmen supplied by one of his Muslim vassals.

The king (Pedro) obviously liked it and I applaud his taste.

did Pedro press Muslim money as well? Like Muscovite did for years and years

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really? LOL, what Mongols did in that time? question to you, why in 13c? not in 11 c or some other century?

Gee buddy, why do you keep clinging to debunked fairy tales?

Why do you think calling people Mongols is an insult?

Why do you think bringing up Islam is an insult?

Why should anyone care about the inaccaurate bull**** you are spewing?

Lol, why are you so historically ignorant?
 
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Keep in mind he likes to point out onion domes in russia, while ignoring their use in ukraine and belarus. The onion dome originated from byzantine orthodox architecture which originated from ancient rome. Through the years all of rus morphed their style around the orthodox style, russia did slender onion domes, while ukraine did broader domes, the middle east started doing onion domes only after the byzantine empire, their early works looked nothing like modern mosques or palaces.

Given the byzantine empire was the continuation of the roman empire, and their influence went through europe asia and the middle east, it is no surprise they spread their designs everywhere. He however is convinced because people in the middle east use them it must be mongolian design brought to russia, while ignoring that onion domes were used almost 100 years before mongolia invaded that area, and that no mongolian architecture ever matched it until post invasion suggesting mongolians copied the style rather than supplying it.


Also keep in mind as far as christian anything, arabic aramaic and hebrew were very widely used in early christianity, which later fell apart when the catholic church pushed latin as it's sole acceptable language for the writings.
Yes, I know that Turkish and Arabic were official languages in Russia. Among others.

Nothing to do with Mongols or (if one prefers) Tatars, both languages were in the Rus long before Batu Khan put in his appearance.

As to onion domes, they can be seen on churches in Germany's Bavaria and the Mongols never got there. Close, sure (Vienna), but defeated there.

Onions domes one gets to see in Austria are more by cultural dominance of Bavaria, once German kings made the territory their Eastern Mark. That is where their German name "Österreich" comes from, meaning simply Eastern realm.

The form of dome of course originating as you say.
 
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did Pedro press Muslim money as well?~ rest edited to avoid eye bleed~
Sure.

Apart from speaking Romance he also spoke Arabic. Most in what today is Spain did, it was the common language of communication even in territories that the Christians had long conquered.

In fact today's Spanish (Castilian) is peppered with Arabic.
 
Re: "RuSSians" GET OUT OF MOLDOVA, "Prime Minister of Moldova calls in UN for withdrawal of "Russian

Gee buddy, why do you keep clinging to debunked fairy tales?

Why do you think calling people Mongols is an insult?

Why do you think bringing up Islam is an insult?

Why should anyone care about the inaccaurate bull**** you are spewing?

Lol, why are you so historically ignorant?
Do we really want to know the answers to all those whys? :lol:
 
Re: "RuSSians" GET OUT OF MOLDOVA, "Prime Minister of Moldova calls in UN for withdrawal of "Russian

Yes, I know that Turkish and Arabic were official languages in Russia. Among others.

Nothing to do with Mongols or (if one prefers) Tatars, both languages were in the Rus long before Batu Khan put in his appearance.

As to onion domes, they can be seen on churches in Germany's Bavaria and the Mongols never got there. Close, sure (Vienna), but defeated there.

Onions domes one gets to see in Austria are more by cultural dominance of Bavaria, once German kings made the territory their Eastern Mark. That is where their German name "Österreich" comes from, meaning simply Eastern realm.

The form of dome of course originating as you say.

THE main official language of Muscovy was Mongolian Turkic Kipchak written by Uyghur alphabets

Charles J. Halperin 'Russia and the Golden Horde', Indiana University Press, Bloomington, 1987. page 84
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THE main official language of Muscovy was Mongolian Turkic Kipchak written by Uyghur alphabets

~........................rest edited for prevention of eye bleed........................~.
WTH do you think I meant when I mentioned Turkish? You think it required a Turkish invasion (Uighur or other) for Muscovy to see the merits of having (as one of many) an international lingua fraca?
 
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WTH do you think I meant when I mentioned Turkish?

Turkic , not Turkish , and there were many Turkic languages, this one was specially created for Juchi (Golden horde) administration
 
Re: "RuSSians" GET OUT OF MOLDOVA, "Prime Minister of Moldova calls in UN for withdrawal of "Russian

Turkic , not Turkish , and there were many Turkic languages, this one was specially created for Juchi (Golden horde) administration
Frankly, you're so provenly ignorant on history and so hell-bent on jumbling even the simplest definitions of terms, that I can't be bothered with you any longer.
 
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did Pedro press Muslim money as well? Like Muscovite did for years and years

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I'm wondering if they are still printing money at will, they say they are not but China and Russia have absolutely flooded the world with money...money kept within a small circle of elite... explains their enormous excesses and the double asset bubbles we see all other the world.
 
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Do we really want to know the answers to all those whys? :lol:

I mean, I think it's pretty clear by now but I want to see if I can make him admit it.
 
Re: "RuSSians" GET OUT OF MOLDOVA, "Prime Minister of Moldova calls in UN for withdrawal of "Russian

so year 1530s ( Ivan IV The Terrible.) Muscovy was a vassal "state" of "mongolia" , right?

muscovy was a vassal state in and of itself, and ended shortly after ivan the terrible came to power, and was replaced tsarist russia.
 
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muscovy was a vassal state in and of itself, and ended shortly after ivan the terrible came to power, and was replaced tsarist russia.

so at least you do agree that " kulikovskaya battle" (1380)was a Muscovite imperial 19c. fake? who rewrote our great victory "The Battle of Blue Waters " , right?
 
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